NFL 2011-2012 [Archive]

The Germanator

08-30-2011, 03:41 PM

Well, here's the thing... Everyone looks at those big numbers like 6 years/$100 million, but we don't know exactly how that deal is structured. Most likely it's pretty front loaded so that if Vick declines in 3-4 years, they'll be able to cut him, and they'll only be out around 50-60 million for 4 years. There could also be hidden, hard to achieve bonuses in there so that the contract never reaches maximum value. Is that a lot? Not really, if Vick plays remotely like he did last season. Remember, Sam Bradford as a rookie last year got $50 million guaranteed. I know that was before the new CBA, but still..

Obviously, Vick is injury prone, so that's always a risk, but he was a top 5 QB last year, and that's how top 5 QBs get paid. Nobody seems to be mentioning Peyton Manning's similar deal when he has a potentially very serious and career threatening injury right at this moment.

Basically, you can say a lot of bad things about the Eagles, but their front-office is very cap-savvy. Did you see their off-season this year? Very creative and intelligent with their cap room I doubt this deal is going to hinder them too much. I still think they can sign Desean Jackson even with this contract.

Bond

08-30-2011, 05:54 PM

I guess... but he basically got that contract for one good year, right? I don't think that's quite comparable to Peyton Manning getting a long-term extension after being consistently a top QB for thirteen years and never missing a game.

The Germanator

08-31-2011, 09:58 AM

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Vicks-Vault.html

Here's the further breakdown of the contract. So, basically, that 6th year at $20 million is a wash. We're really looking at 5 years/$80 million with only 35 million truly guaranteed. The $100 million thing just makes the agent and player look good.

Anyway, I agree that this is a bit of a risk. You're right that Vick has had only one great year, but it's not like he was awful before the prison term, he had just never quite developed into a true QB. I think he's learned a lot under Andy Reid and the Eagles' coaches, and that's what they're counting on.

Look at the Super Bowl victory incentives in the contract...If the Eagles get one of those during this contract, any amount of money would have been worth it.

On another note, I also heard that Vick won't be done paying all of his creditors until after the 2014 season, so he can only take about $300,000 the next few years. I know that's still a good chunk of money, but the man's still paying a lot for his mistakes.

Professor S

09-01-2011, 12:48 PM

Bond, wait until you see the obscene money Rodgers gets next year. I predict he will break all records. In any case, I see what you're saying, but it just shows how much the NFL is a quarterback driven league. The truly great QBs are so rare that teams will throw money at you for being just very good.

Bond

09-01-2011, 01:40 PM

Good points. I suppose we will have to see how Vick does this year and beyond.

It should be a very interesting year in general.

KillerGremlin

09-02-2011, 02:42 PM

Ahh....Aaron Rodgers. As a Bears fan, I want to hate him, but he is so damn loveable. I like Rodgers and I hope he has a lengthy career. The whole "living under the shadow of Favre" thing was BS.

That was the nice thing about Favre. He was a tool and a chode so you could hate that fucker on and off the field.

Bond

09-08-2011, 10:12 AM

On another note, the NFL (as in the company) has taken over Green Bay. It's quite the production to have the first game of the season.

Professor S

09-08-2011, 07:48 PM

All I know if Jermichael Finley better score tonight... and often.

Bond

09-08-2011, 07:55 PM

If he can stay healthy (big if), should have one of the best years for a TE in recent memory. I'm not a fan of his less-than-humble attitude though, so hopefully he can keep that under control.

Professor S

09-08-2011, 09:18 PM

Ok, the Pack are frightening...

Bond

09-08-2011, 09:21 PM

Looking good so far. Saints can score fast as well though.

Vampyr

09-08-2011, 09:28 PM

You're welcome for Randall Cobb.

/UK Alum

Bond

09-08-2011, 09:30 PM

Thank you! I haven't seen too much of him except for in this game ... assuming he was quite good in college?

Vampyr

09-08-2011, 09:40 PM

Thank you! I haven't seen too much of him except for in this game ... assuming he was quite good in college?

Yeah, easily our best player for the last couple of years. Played WR and even QB occasionally.

Bond

09-08-2011, 10:36 PM

Do a barrel roll, Randall Cobb! Aw yeah.

Vampyr

09-08-2011, 10:56 PM

He went into beast mode.

KillerGremlin

09-09-2011, 03:09 PM

I was rooting for some OT because it would have been fun, but the Saints pretty much got outplayed in every regard.

KillerGremlin

09-12-2011, 04:57 AM

Jason Garrett is gonna be an expert on the Heimlich Maneuver by the end of the season because Tony Romo is always chocking!

KillerGremlin

09-12-2011, 05:03 AM

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KillerGremlin

09-15-2011, 02:32 AM

Damn people, no discussion?

Like how about McNabb's horrible game....or Sexy Rexy saying the fucking Redskins are going to win the NFC East.

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/50514_2234905039_2329_n.jpg

Is that Berrian? I think he’s triple-covered. You know what? Fuck it. I’m throwing it downfield.

Yeah, I see Jones open on the flank. But fuck that. Dumpoff passes are for faggots. I’m fucking Sexy Rexy Grossman. I can get that ball in there. And, even if I can’t, I bet I’ll be able to pull it off the next go round. I like throwing the ball long. It makes my dick hard.

What’s that? I should throw a quick slant? Fuck that. That’s gay. Button hook? Gay. Flare out? Gay. Screen pass? Kevin Spacey gay. This is fucking football. You can’t just expect wins to come to you. You can’t massage that shit. You gotta grab that game by the throat and rape the ever-loving shit out of it. You think a 5-yard out is gonna win you a game? You’re a pussy. This ain’t John Shoop running this offense. Sexy Rexy’s got the arm. The dragon. You gotta unleash the dragon.

Okay, I’m throwing it. Nice. Look how far it went. I look good. I bet I made that Pats cheerleader wet her panties with that throw. She fucking wants me. I bet she likes it over a stair railing. I can hit that with 100% accuracy, my dear. Mmmmmm. I am delicious.

Oh shit. Looks like Samuel caught it. Again. Oh well. It still felt fucking great to throw that shit. Tell me that wasn’t one of the prettiest passes you ever saw. You know what? Not only am I gonna throw it long the next time we hit the field. I’m gonna throw it even longer. Harder. You see that kid in wheelchair sitting in the end zone bleachers? I’m gonna nail him right between the fucking eyes with a Sexy Rexy fastball. Why? Because I can.

This is Rex Grossman we’re talking about here. We’re talking 210 lbs. of twisted steel and sex appeal. I’m not just a gunslinger. I’m a cumslinger. Throwing that ball long tells all the Rexettes that I am fucking out there. On the edge. Where I gotta be. The ladies love the danger. The unpredictability. Oh, maybe I’ll tease them with a pretty touch pass every now and again. But then I’m gonna go right back to pumping that ball out for all it’s worth. It tells them I throw like I fuck. That’s how we do things in the sexy business.

Tell me you’re not turned on right now. I am.
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2006/11/f-k-it-im-throwing-it-downfield.html

Seriously, as a bitter Bears fan...I wish Rex the best. I still have nightmares about that Super Bowl and that season...but you know what, he is a genuinely good guy.

Also, what about Tim fucking Tebow and the whole bible belt rallying to get Orton benched? The Bronco's O-Line looked like shit last week. Orton is as levelheaded as they come, and from what I could tell he made good decisions 75% of that game.

magus113

09-15-2011, 02:21 PM

Tim fucking Tebow

I cannot in good faith enjoy anything Tim Tebow does for he was a Gator. And I am a Cane (at heart, I'm too poor to go to UM).

Seriously, fuck that guy. My cousins were going to UF and they worshiped that toolbag.

The Germanator

09-16-2011, 09:15 PM

Sorry about the lack of discussion. I actually completely missed week 1, but I'm hoping to catch more of week 2.

I really do feel bad for McNabb. I loved the guy on the Eagles, but I also love the fact that everyone who said the Eagles fans were too harsh on him, and that the Eagles were idiots for trading him can bite their tongues. The guy was the best QB the Eagles have ever had, and I'm honestly shocked at the quick downfall he's had, but Andy Reid knows QBs...He knew it was time to cut him loose. And the Eagles have gotten two 2nd RD draft picks + Rodgers-Cromartie for their last two starting QBs.(AND a 2nd rounder for AJ Feeley HAHA)" Who knows what they'll get for Mike Kafka (their current 3rd stringer).

As for the Eagles.. I didn't see the game, though from the highlights, I guess Vick had a semi-poor passing game, but made up for it with his legs. The thing is that Reid actually ran possibly the Eagles greatest weapon, Lesean Mccoy! Dude is insanely quick and a great pass catcher. With the Eagles D being much better, they can afford a slight regression from Vick and still be a better team. I think this game with Vick coming back to Atlanta could go either way (with the Falcons getting dominated in Chicago...) I still like the Eagles in a close one.

Bond

09-19-2011, 11:08 AM

KillerGremlin

09-19-2011, 02:52 PM

Apparently Vick has a concussion and taunted Falcons fans before he left with the injury? I didn't catch the game, and the article I just read was a little vague. I like the Eagles, but I don't think I'll ever like Vick. I feel as though his "come to Jesus" transformation has been contrived and manufactured.

He was getting a lot of hate and boos from Atlanta, even when he was walking out with his injury. It's not a classy move. If it matters at all I think the Eagles may have won had Vick stayed in.

But yeah, I don't think he is changed. Just more well-behaved.

Bond

09-23-2011, 01:15 PM

KG, it's Packers / Bears week -- who ya got?

I see the outcome of this game dependent upon which Cutler comes to play.

KillerGremlin

09-23-2011, 02:58 PM

KG, it's Packers / Bears week -- who ya got?

I see the outcome of this game dependent upon which Cutler comes to play.

The only red flag in Green Bay is the number of offensive yards they gave up...and it's sad to see Nick Collins out for the season, that blows.

The Bears have gone down the last two times they met the Pack. We have injuries on our O-Line and we are missing two of our better receivers. We're kind of one-dimensional in that our entire offense is Matt Forte.

Having said all that...as long as the Bear's Defense comes to play, I think we can hold you guys for at least half the game. The rest will depend on if we can cut down the secondary.

I'm gonna say Green Bay 21 - Chicago 16.

Bond

09-25-2011, 03:18 PM

“I want to thank you all for inviting me to speak,” Ryan said. “It was especially gracious of you to host me, even though I’m a Packers fan and I assume most of you are Bears fans. But that doesn’t mean we can’t work together. As chairman of the House Budget Committee, I stand ready to do whatever it takes to help you re-sign Jay Cutler. I’m here to talk about the economy today — about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn’t another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it’s not.”

In all seriousness, I actually like the Bears and think our rivalry is fairly civil. The Vikings on the other hand ... not so much.

KillerGremlin

09-25-2011, 07:36 PM

Ahhhh where was the hold??!!! What the hell refs? Horrible reffing....

They should have called a delay of game when Tillman was laying on top that GB player, they should have called pass interference on that long route to Hester, and where was the hold. o_O

Even with the bad reffing, the Pack was still gonna win. The Bears are a mess.

I like this rivalry too....Bears vs Packers is the best.

But how about dem Lions?

KillerGremlin

09-25-2011, 07:41 PM

Oh and I'm pretty sure Peppers did not have control of the ball when he rolled out of bounds....but how do you overturn something like that? That was iffy.

Bond

09-25-2011, 08:27 PM

That was definitely some sketchy officiating.

Lions look (possibly) like the real deal.

Vick has a broken hand? Ouch.

The Germanator

09-25-2011, 10:01 PM

Yeah, another rough one for the Eagles. Teams are picking on their weak spots (LB and Safety) and they are very weak... I don't know, I just thought the Eagles would be better than this. I think they can get better, but it's not looking great so far.

Professor S

09-25-2011, 11:15 PM

Bond

09-25-2011, 11:22 PM

And why in hell is Clay Matthews still allowed on the field? He seems to be getting worse week after week in coverage and against the run. I've never seen a linebacker so tentative to make contact or a decision.
Hey, he has big shoes to fill. ;)

The Germanator

09-26-2011, 12:54 AM

The issue with the Eagle's defense is completely the fault of the coaches and management. The Eagle's defensive scheme relies completely on the offense scoring points. They went all out pass rush and coverage, ignoring any concern for the run in an assumption that teams would always be playing from behind. To top it all off, the Eagle's pass defense has been terrible with THREE PRO BOWL CORNERS.

And why in hell is Clay Matthews still allowed on the field? He seems to be getting worse week after week in coverage and against the run. I've never seen a linebacker so tentative to make contact or a decision.

I agree with this big time. The Eagles rely on getting ahead early. If they don't get that tipped pass on that first drive and take the early lead, they might be okay..

That said, they still come back from 14-0 to take a 16-14 lead after half-time. They had the chance to put the game further away, but had some terrible short down plays. Then Vick gets hurt again and it all falls apart.

I'll agree with Clay Matthews, but this team problems everywhere. I still think they'll be good, but I just don't know. I've overreacted to Reid teams before so I won't do it yet, but if they don't make the playoffs with these players, then some big changes should be made.

KillerGremlin

09-26-2011, 04:01 AM

That was definitely some sketchy officiating.

Lions look (possibly) like the real deal.

Vick has a broken hand? Ouch.

I haven't actually watched a full Lions game yet, I've just seen highlights and bits and pieces of their last two games.

ESPN is hyping them up like they are the real deal. It's probably still premature to tell.

For example, I watched the 4th Quarter of the Bills vs. Pats game, and Fitzpatrick played really well but he also made a few mistakes that could be detrimental down the road. So despite the hype and momentum, I have to think the Bills will come back to earth eventually. The rest of the more established and consistent pack will catch up.

You have to imagine that both Fitzpatrick and Stafford are being studied on tape across the NFL, and that as the season moves forward teams will get better at defending them.

Packers and Lions would be fun. I'm kind of pulling for an epic Bears meltdown. This organization needs new blood, starting at the top with Jerry Angelo. I can dream right?

Professor S

09-26-2011, 09:07 AM

Oops, I meant Casey Matthews, not Clay. Clay is the good son.

Professor S

09-26-2011, 09:11 AM

Also, one issue that needs to be addressed (at least by the media) is Vick's inability to read defenses or check off to hot routes. The o-line is getting a lot of bad press, but quite honestly they aren't playing badly, and they're actually pretty good at run blocking.

Vick holds on the ball far too long, and I have yet to see him make a audible when faced with blitzes or coverage changes. Look at any high-level QB in this league and you'll see a player who plays brain first and talent second. Vick simply isn't playing like a top-level QB so far this season.

Vampyr

09-26-2011, 10:13 AM

Oops, I meant Casey Matthews, not Clay. Clay is the good son.

I've been so confused since you posted your initial post about Clay.

KillerGremlin

09-26-2011, 09:25 PM

GOD DAMN.

Forget 72 Virgins, I'll take the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders.

Bond

10-02-2011, 07:17 PM

Who would have thought the last two undefeated teams in the league would be the Packers and Lions? Sheesh.

Germy, Prof, Zebra -- Andy Reid out if this season continues to go south?

ZebraRampage

10-05-2011, 09:22 PM

Who would have thought the last two undefeated teams in the league would be the Packers and Lions? Sheesh.

Germy, Prof, Zebra -- Andy Reid out if this season continues to go south?

I sure hope so! You sure hear what the sports radio personnel are saying about him. There's also a Philly comedian, Joe Conklin, who does impressions of all the coaches and players in Philly sports. They use him mostly for Reid though, which is great. I wish I could find the audio clip from yesterday making fun of Reid.

http://www.joeconklin.com/media.html

Speaking of that, it reminds me of this song from last year. In which Conklin does impressions of the commentators. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PwAS8qojqk

And I'm glad the Lions are doing well. Even the Bills look promising to be a spoiler for every team they play this year.

KillerGremlin

10-07-2011, 02:57 AM

I think the Bills are gonna come back down to earth. Hard. Maybe even starting with the Eagles.

I'm not an Eagles fan and don't follow the organization or the division outside of watching a few games. But from what I can tell the Eagles have a lot of talent...but maybe it isn't meshing well? I dunno. Seems like there is a lot of internal frustration.

I'm still undecided on the Lions. As a Bears fan I am scared shitless. The Bears have given up a ton of offensive yards. I'm prepared to see some poundage on Monday night. It's going to be a hell of a game though.

I'm really excited to see Packers vs. Lions in an offensive shoot-out.

ZebraRampage

10-09-2011, 08:24 PM

I hope the Eagles continue to screw themselves over for the rest of the year. Maybe that will finally get them to fire Andy Reid and his coaches. The Eagles look awful top to bottom, and it all starts with the coaching. Nobody's trying to play anymore, which makes it hard to even want to watch them.

KillerGremlin

10-10-2011, 12:48 AM

The Germanator

10-10-2011, 02:29 AM

On a lighter note, it was a ton of fun to watch the Eagle's explosive offense during the 4th quarter. If they tighten up the offense and find some consistency they might just have the most destructive offense in the NFL.

The Bills also gave up a fuckton of offensive yards. Granted, they created a bunch of turnovers...I still think come crunch time the Bills are going to fall short.

The Packers are a force. That's a fact. I can't wait for the Packers vs. Lions offense showdown.

And it looks like all the Teboners will be blessed with the grace of the holy Tebow. Praise Tebow.

It's a blessing that you think so highly of the Eagles. We're having a tough time, especially after that Phillies loss. I agree with both the Bills and Eagles at the current time, but still...The Eagles really have to overcome a lot to even make the playoffs.

I think their main hope is that the NFC East is just terrible... It would take 9-2 for the Eagles to go 10-6, but if they could somehow sneak the division with a 9-7, maybe they have a chance.

KillerGremlin

10-10-2011, 03:21 AM

Yeah, I get the frustration. Believe me. Chicago has had to deal with the Cub's shit forever, and the Bears have an awful GM and coaching has been shitty for a long time now. Even when we saw proactive Lovie Smith and good defense, we had the sex cannon at QB. Remember good Rex, bad Rex? I try not to. Now we have a good[?] quarterback, but our defense is sagging, and Mike fucking Martz is deploying a pretty goofy offensive scheme. When Jay Cutler is like, "fuck this! I'd rather give the ball to the running back than throw it," you know something is messed up.

My point is the Eagles have some huuuuuge weapons. Dallas is choke-tastic. The Giants are pretty iffy. And I'm pretty sure the Redskins are the most volatile team in first place right now.

I've watched enough bits and pieces of Eagles games this season to think that it comes down to: better game management and not making dumb mistakes (like being offsides on defense during a 4th down).

I'm not familiar enough with the organization to say whether or not letting go of Andy Reid will improve the situation. You certainly can trace a lot of management issues back to the coach. But I can say that your team is flippin' stacked. You have an explosive offense, and the defense played pretty solid today.

Just my 2 cents. Wish you the best. I like the Eagles, I think they're my preferred NFC East team. I was always a McNabb fan.

Bond

10-10-2011, 06:00 PM

I think the NFC East will be very competitive into the last weeks of the season, especially with so many divisional games left to be played.

On an unrelated note -- GO BEARS!

ZebraRampage

10-10-2011, 11:55 PM

Lions are 5-0 now.

Vampyr

10-11-2011, 12:09 AM

I really like the Bears, but it's cool to see the Lions doing well. I'm looking forward to a not-horrible Thanksgiving football game. :)

KillerGremlin

10-11-2011, 01:24 AM

Jesus Christ our offensive line is horrible. I feel sorry for Cutler.

Cutler not tough? Cutler not dedicated? Holy fuck I think he could be a top-10 Quarterback if he actually had a line. As a Bears fan, this is what I have been watching/putting up with all this season and all last season. I just am happy that we have a national audience to confirm that Cutler is actually tough, and that our O-Line is literally the worst thing I have ever seen in professional football.

I know the Bears are plagued with injuries, but that's not an excuse. Our second and third string players shouldn't suck so bad. Jerry Angelo, you are the worst GM ever; I have never seen such a stretch of poor draft choices. Lovie Smith, you suck too. What the fuck was that horrible game management during the first drive? What was with that horrible challenge? Where is your emotion, you emotionless bag of dicks.

It sucks watching our team come unhinged, especially when Cutler is a good QB and is likely going to peace out of Chicago and go win games somewhere else. It's going to be a long rebuilding process for Chicago. Bleh.

On a lighter note, congrats to the Lions. You still have some work to do, like finding a run game early on. But the Lions vs. Packers rivalry will be very exciting over the next 5-10 years. (and sorry, Bond, I know you wanted the Bears to win. The Packers aren't walking off as division champs without a fight :p ).

Edit: Forte too. In case you guys didn't know, the Bear's manager Jerry Angelo didn't want to negotiate contracts with Matt Forte. Just pay the guy, right? I hope that Forte and Cutler escape this crappy mess and go have successful careers because there is mad talent between the two. Greg Olsen is lucky he got out.

KillerGremlin

10-11-2011, 02:23 AM

To all you angry Eagle fans:

That’ll about do it.

Blocking isn’t good enough, tackling isn’t good enough, and it’s too bad that both matter so much.

Lovie Smith’s defensive philosophy works, when the front four generates consistent, gap-shooting pressure, and the safeties execute professional discipline in the half-field splits.

And when Brian Urlacher isn’t old and slower. Bend-but-not-break looks an awful lot like bend-and-then-break, and it’s broken by better players. This was all fun, before the arrival of Aaron Rodgers, Calvin Johnson, and any number of talented guys that were drafted by divisional opponents and can expose the house of cards.

Jerry Angelo has wasted valuable draft picks on bad players, covering his rear end by spending big globs of money on free agents, most of whom were also bad. Julius Peppers is an amazing talent, but he doesn’t matter, really, now.

The Jay Cutler trade made all the sense in the world – it made even those of us jaded by the general malaise of Bearsness joyful as we could be – but it seems shot. His abilities for which they dealt are now needed to keep plays alive after porous protection and short-armed receiving efforts.

What’s the endgame? Where is this heading?

Mike Martz is in the final year of his contract, and his offense can barely get a play called. His pigheaded vision has made a swaggering gunslinger look skittish and fearful. Nobody seems to know what anybody is doing. Cutler’s great feet, natural athleticism and rifle arm are called upon only to keep things barely afloat, when they were acquired to put them over the top.

Frank Omiyale sucks. Never mind that he was targeted as a need signing on the first day of his free-agency, by Angelo and his pro-personnel people, apparently from an opium den.

Nobody else on the line can really block, either. We waste so much time arguing about playcalling and run/pass balance, when the Bears can neither pass-protect nor plow forward. That makes us as dumb as everyone we’re criticizing.

The roster is littered with undrafted college scrubs, overtalked and overpromoted to fill holes. A few more injuries and you’ll see how bad it looks when really awful players have to fill important roles in the most Darwinistic sport there is.

Devin Hester is the best return man of all time. He’s also an incompetent receiver.

Roy Williams followed the advice of Muhsin Muhammad, and came to Chicago to die. Get the urn.

Brandon Merriweather is some kind of football sociopath. There’s something wrong with him, but he was deemed worthy of a contract extension because Craig Steltz can’t play.

Two teams in the NFC North are better, and will be for a while. Any week-to-week hopes of lucky turnovers, advantages in the return game or missed field goals are for fools. That’s not how the game is played by real teams, anymore.

Angelo, Smith and the Bears are on the wrong side of history.

Bad drafts, bad signings, desperate trades and hamstrung, stubborn coaches have the Bears staring at a dark road.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/10/11/bernstein-beginning-of-the-end/?utm_source=sports&utm_medium=dl&utm_campaign=bernstein-beginning-of-the-end

The Bears are officially the ass clowns of the NFC. The NFL. We are now sharing a canoe with the Seahawks and the Dolphins.

Bond

10-11-2011, 06:51 PM

KillerGremlin

10-13-2011, 12:32 AM

I can't believe I'm typing this, but I think it might not be that the Bears are that bad, but that the Lions are actually that good.

Also, c'mon, the Vikings are way worse than the Bears on all levels (players and management).

I honestly think (based on last night's performance) that the Lions still have a ways to go. Their pass game? The Megatron? Yeah. That is gold right there. There defensive line is A+ too. Their run game? Consistent pass game? Early scoring? We will see.

I agree that the Bears have potential to be better. But they are 4 games out behind the Lions and the Packers. They aren't gonna win the North or the Wild Card. I'd like to see a paradigm shift in the management.

If Martz changes the offense (did you see how good Cutler did outside the pocket?!?!) we might win games. I can't imagine Martz will do that.

I'm gonna get a really good beer. A really good piece of pie. A really big bowl of pretzels. And enjoy the hell out of the Thanksgiving game. Lions vs. Packers. That is going to be epic. Let's hope both teams stay undefeated until then. :D

KillerGremlin

10-15-2011, 04:32 AM

WTF Canada. Explain this:

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Bond

10-16-2011, 04:22 PM

And enjoy the hell out of the Thanksgiving game. Lions vs. Packers. That is going to be epic. Let's hope both teams stay undefeated until then. :D
That game is shaping up to potentially be one of the best regular match-ups this season.

Bond

10-16-2011, 07:53 PM

KillerGremlin

10-17-2011, 12:54 AM

Bond

10-23-2011, 07:42 PM

Wow, there is a lot of hate out there for Tim Tebow.

Poor god fearin' guy.

KillerGremlin

10-24-2011, 02:43 AM

Wow, there is a lot of hate out there for Tim Tebow.

Poor god fearin' guy.

Tebow annoys me. You know why? Because all I have been hearing about for the past 2 weeks is Tebow. On ESPN's The Blitz they asked why someone would not want Tebow to succeed. My response: so we can stop hearing about Tebow on the Blitz.

Otherwise, I wish Tebow the best.

Vampyr

10-24-2011, 03:59 PM

Tebow annoys me and I would rather not see him succeed.

Every time I see an athlete thank God and Jesus for their success, it annoys me. Really? You think that even on the off chance that there is a God, he would take the time to help you become a successful football player rather than use his cosmic powers to save starving children in Africa?

Bond

10-24-2011, 05:45 PM

Tebow annoys me. You know why? Because all I have been hearing about for the past 2 weeks is Tebow. On ESPN's The Blitz they asked why someone would not want Tebow to succeed. My response: so we can stop hearing about Tebow on the Blitz.

Otherwise, I wish Tebow the best.
I probably should have qualified what I said in that I've noticed a lot of hate for Tebow by the virtue of the fact that I've noticed so many people talking about him for no apparent reason.

Also, it's clear the NFL needs to implement a mercy rule for the Indianapolis Colts.

Professor S

10-25-2011, 04:15 PM

If you didn't Peyton Manning was one of the greatest QB's of all time, you should now.

With PM: Playoff team.
Without PM: One of the worst teams I've ever seen play.

ZebraRampage

10-25-2011, 08:17 PM

If you didn't Peyton Manning was one of the greatest QB's of all time, you should now.

With PM: Playoff team.
Without PM: One of the worst teams I've ever seen play.

It's amazing how true this is. I just can't believe how BAD the Colts are. Most of the same personnel from last year is still on the team right?

Bond

10-25-2011, 08:36 PM

I think so, but I also think this may be true for more teams than we think.

Saints? Packers? Both teams would probably be .500 at best without Brees and Rodgers.

The Germanator

10-25-2011, 10:46 PM

Yeah, unless you have a super dominating defense, you probably won't go too far in the NFL without a good to great QB. I'd say the Ravens and Jets kind of get by, and I don't consider Flacco or Sanchez elite...They're pretty good game managers though I guess.

KillerGremlin

10-26-2011, 12:50 AM

If last night's game was any indicator, Flacco has a lot of work to do...

I thought Indy had a couple close games this season and their defense was doing alright. It could partially be a momentum swing, and they probably feel defeated knowing that Manning is going to be out for the rest of the season.

I can't imagine feeling compelled to play defense when you're quickly down 24 points in the first quarter (or whatever the score was) with a rookie QB.

Bond

11-01-2011, 09:35 PM

Looks like the Eagles are back on the upswing.

I think it's very difficult to tell who the good teams are this year (even more so than previous years). Packers, Steelers, and 49ers all look solid, but beyond that I'm not so sure.

Vampyr

11-01-2011, 10:13 PM

I'm having a hard time deciding if some teams are good or if most teams are just very bad this year.

Typhoid

11-03-2011, 05:13 PM

For the first time since I was a little kid I can stand up and say that I am proud to be a 49ers fan. Maybe proud isn't the right word yet. Content. That's the one. I don't want to get ahead of myself here. I'm not exactly Montana-Rice confident yet, but I'm getting there.

Professor S

11-04-2011, 09:52 PM

I think so, but I also think this may be true for more teams than we think.

Saints? Packers? Both teams would probably be .500 at best without Brees and Rodgers.

I agree to a point, but there is a big difference between a .500 team and the steaming pile of cow flop that is the Colts without Manning.

The Germanator

11-04-2011, 09:59 PM

Forum fan showdown. Eagles vs. Bears. Thoughts, KG?

Gotta say I like the Eagles at home here. Despite the bad start, they are on track to be 5-4 going into the big Giants game in a couple of weeks. The Bears ain't bad. I just hope Matt Forte is upset enough with his contract to lay an egg against the Eagles run defense. Or that the Eagles use their best strategy, which is to build an early lead (with an offense that has punted less than any other team), and then force teams into passing situations. From there, a better than average pass rush from the front 4 combined with a good secondary can do the rest.

Professor S

11-04-2011, 10:31 PM

This game bothers me; a bit of a trap game after the Dallas drubbing. The Eagles should win, but that's if they can avoid turnovers.

Bond

11-08-2011, 06:27 PM

Good game last night. I think there's a very real possibility that the NFC North could produce three playoff teams: Packers, Lions, and Bears ... I'm not sure when the last time this happened, but I'd have to assume it's fairly rare.

KillerGremlin

11-08-2011, 11:52 PM

That was an intense game last night, yeah. I think the Eagles have an explosive offense to rally for a real playoff run so I'm not discounting them yet.

I think the Bears still have huge issues and inconsistencies. I really don't see the Bears going to the playoffs...but I guess we can see how the Bears vs Lions game plays out.

Speaking of...I think the NFC Wildcard race is pretty hot. I honestly think if the Bears lose next week they will be done. If the Lions lose then we can talk about a 3-team NFC North Wildcard race, but I still am skeptical.

Concerns with the Bears: O-line, coaching and play calls, wide receivers dropping passes, Cutler's health, Matt Forte's contract, Defensive health (without Peppers our defense really goes south fast).

Big concern: for the second year in a row, the Bears are rallying and bring a bunch of hype with them. We need to see organizational changes, and this is not you how make that happen.

KillerGremlin

11-13-2011, 08:06 PM

Congrats, Green Bay. You are no longer my least favorite division rival.

The Lions played some dirty fucking football. Absolutely uncalled for late hits, unsportsmanlike, dirty football.

I look forward to Detroit being mopped up during their next 5 games. Green Bay, I hope you put Detroit on its back.

Detroit = new most hated rival.

Edit: Oh. And I called it. Detroit is overrated (and the Bills) and had the fortune of an NFL lockout and no practice and a fairly easy-going opening schedule. They are a dirty team with a dirty fucking coach and they can't handle their momentum and energy. Megatron is your one dimensional out. Enjoy the long stretch of good teams + Green Bay + Minnesota.

Double Edit: Seriously! I can't believe how cocky the Lions (and their fans) are when they win. But when they lose? Fucking hand shake fiasco. They suddenly start playing dirty football. I mean even Stafford is taking cheap shots...I can't believe they ejected DJ Moore after that shit. Fuck you Stafford. If you want to dish out the cocky attitude when you win games, you better harden the fuck up when you lose games. Seriously, STFU and harden the fuck up.

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Bond

11-13-2011, 08:41 PM

Congrats, Green Bay. You are no longer my least favorite division rival.
What?! The Bears are my favorite divisional rivalry. :(

The Lions do seem to have turned into a dirty team, which is a bit odd, because I always used to view them as gentle and pushovers. Schwartz comes off as a tool as well.

Also, that's great the Lions have Megatron. I'm glad we have Optimus Prime (Aaron Rodgers).

KillerGremlin

11-13-2011, 08:54 PM

What I meant to say was, I hate your team the most, so our rivalry was always my favorite. :D Now I have new found dislike for Detroit.

I feel like the Packers-Bears rivalry has become very gentlemanly. Like let's get our monocles, wine, and cigars good chap.

I actually never hated the Pack...but I always wanted to beat them the most. Having 10 years of Favre kicking your ass will do that to you. By year 7 or 8 of Favre beating us to a pulp...you just want to beat the Packers.

Now I just want to see the Lions get beat. Schwartz is an ass and a tool. I look forward to the next time the Bears and Lions meet, and same goes for the Packers vs. Lions.

Bond

11-14-2011, 05:35 PM

Well, suffice to say I am even more interested in our Thanskgiving day game against the Lions (I honestly haven't followed them very closely this year).

MNF should be fun tonight. I'm anticipating a lively crowd judging from my drive home after work.

Also, KG - check your PMs.

KillerGremlin

11-15-2011, 02:28 AM

Jon Gruden is a loveable goof. He is the next John Madden.

There's a lot of rules!
-Gruden on grounding tonight after Rodgers threw towards the sideline from the end zone.

I loved Madden's nonsensical ramblings and random comments about how awesome Brett Favre is. Seems like Gruden is all about Rodgers. I love the Monday night crew. Random F-bombs, nonsensical commentary....Gruden dressed up for Halloween. Lordy. Much better than the assclowns that did the Bears vs. Lions game. Brian Billick is boring and a moron.

Bond

11-15-2011, 06:27 PM

Did anyone else catch the epic Rodgers to Finley pass over the middle? That was literally impossible to defend.

Bond

11-18-2011, 08:43 PM

ZebraRampage

11-19-2011, 12:35 PM

Is this the same girl?

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EDIT:

Hmm, she doesn't look the same, but it's the same reaction.

KillerGremlin

11-19-2011, 02:17 PM

Did anyone see the Jets get Tebowned on Thursday night?

People are backing Tebow up, but I cannot buy the hype. I think he sucks and has had a lucky break from his defense. All he brings to the table is the run game Denver did not have.

The point is...the Jets suck.

Bond

11-19-2011, 02:31 PM

Rex Ryan is so overrated.

I think what Tebow has done is admirable in the face of his critics (he is 4-1), but his style of play is probably not sustainable in the NFL... so I would agree.

KillerGremlin

11-19-2011, 03:06 PM

The thing is, Denver got stomped by the Lions. And we aren't even certain the Lions are a top-tier team. All the other teams they have beat with Tebow suck.

Typhoid

11-20-2011, 03:00 PM

I'm not creating an entirely new thread for this, fuck that. Close enough.

The CFL conference finals are today.
I'm super pumped that the BC Lions are where they are right now. They started the season 0-5, finished with a record of 11-7, won home field advantage for this game (BC Place is the loudest CFL stadium, so many opposing QB snap-errors due to noise), and have a chance to play the Grey Cup game which happens to be here this year. Different type of Football or not, that's still a damn good storyline.

Today will either be really really good, or really really bad.

Edit: hahaha...Tebowned. I like that. I also imagine getting "Teboned" is what his wife/girlfriend/mistress does.

Bond

11-20-2011, 04:24 PM

Packers vs. Lions next week on Thanksgiving day is going to be fun. I hope James Starks is okay.

KillerGremlin

11-20-2011, 08:23 PM

Packers vs. Lions is going to be FUCKING AWESOME.

It better be a shoot out. I don't want to see ANY defense (not that unlikely of a scenario, really...).

74-69 better be the final score.

And Dolphins vs. the Cowboys? That should be good too. The Dolphins are suddenly hot, and the Cowboys are all about losing easy games, flip-flopping, and Romo-ing.

KillerGremlin

11-20-2011, 10:39 PM

Jay Cutler....broken thumb...throwing arm....surgery.

Probably out for season.

Fuck.

It was a fun rally mid season. See you in 2012 NFC North.

The Germanator

11-21-2011, 12:01 AM

Yay, the Eagles season is kind of still alive, and Vince Young kind of did it!

Though it could all be over again if they lose to the Patriots next week.

KillerGremlin

11-21-2011, 08:06 PM

What were your thoughts on Vince Young?

I thought it was ballsy as fuck to come out the gate throwing a deep pass. Of course it was picked....

But he settled down, picked up the pace of his throwing motion, planted sooner. He looked alright. He's not Michael Vick, at least not yet.

But he seems like he has the potential to develop into a more traditional quarterback. On the other hand, there is NO offensive in the NFL more explosive than the Michael Vick powerhouse. And Vince Young is a smug douche. I want to punch him.

Speaking of smug douches, Phillip Rivers is king.

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And Cutler on Rivers, haha:

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I like the part of the Bears game yesterday where Rivers threw two picks. Or the part where Johnny Knox slipped and missed a pass which was intercepted, and Cutler went and tackled Antoine Cason like the boss that he is.

Anyway, I like to keep tabs on Phillip Rivers career...and see if he is going to throw more interceptions or have more children when all is said and one. He is a smug douche on the field too.

Bond

11-21-2011, 09:26 PM

Here's the thing about Rivers ... he comes off as an arrogant prick. I actually appreciate his moral stances and beliefs, but he doesn't go about presenting those beliefs in a mature or humble way. Hence, he comes off as an arrogant prick. He also sure trash talks way more than any other QB I've ever watched, especially considering he doesn't curse. What exactly is he even saying?

I legitimately feel very sad for Cutler and Bears fans. I'm not a huge Jay Cutler fan, but I do think he received some unfair scrutiny at the end of last season, and he was just beginning to play at a very high level this season. Extremely unfortunate timing. :(

KillerGremlin

11-22-2011, 12:53 AM

That's the difference between Tebow and Rivers.

Tebow = humble guy who wants to try his hardest to win games.

Rivers = douche nozzle.

Aside from the horrible media hype, you kind of want to see Tebow win. And by God, he is making it happen! With all these crazy 4th quarter finishes, it is inspired football.

KillerGremlin

11-22-2011, 07:51 PM

Holy shit. Broncos waived Kyle Orton.

Chicago? Again?

Bond

11-22-2011, 08:09 PM

I heard Marc Bulger was a possibility as well? I'm not sure who I would rather have between Orton and Bulger ... neither? :unsure:

KillerGremlin

11-24-2011, 02:02 PM

WTF!!!! They ejected Pat Lee but none of the asshole Lions players got a call? Fuck the refs and fuck the Lions.

Bond

11-24-2011, 02:44 PM

Wow. Ndamukong Suh truly is the dirtiest player in the NFL (also an idiot).

KillerGremlin

11-24-2011, 03:12 PM

Wow. Ndamukong Suh truly is the dirtiest player in the NFL (also an idiot).

The guy is dirty as hell. It really undermines his "talent." Is he talented? Or just dirty.

Ripping players helmets off...driving people to the ground...stomping on people. He is a real sack of crap.

I was hoping for a shut out, it would have been epic to go into Ford stadium and shut out the Lions. Let's hope the Packers can box this up.

Bond

11-24-2011, 05:19 PM

I was hoping for a shut out, it would have been epic to go into Ford stadium and shut out the Lions. Let's hope the Packers can box this up.
I'll just take the win. ;)

Suh better be looking at a nice, long, multi-game suspension. Excellent job of trying to counter your negative image by throwing an opposing player's head to the ground twice and then proceeding to kick him in the chest on national TV during a family holiday. Idiot.

Bond

11-24-2011, 06:05 PM

http://www.nfl.com/videos/detroit-lions/09000d5d8246edc9/Lions-postgame-press-conference

That is seriously your pass at a legitimate explanation? Pathetic.

KillerGremlin

11-24-2011, 11:35 PM

http://www.nfl.com/videos/detroit-lions/09000d5d8246edc9/Lions-postgame-press-conference

That is seriously your pass at a legitimate explanation? Pathetic.

I think it all starts with Schwartz.

I mean look at Jim Schwartz. He was the Titan's defensive coordinator when they developed their dirty reputation. And look at Cortland Finnegan, the Titans DB. Schwartz coached that guy. Did anyone see the altercation between Finnegan and Andre Johnson? Fucking disgusting, AND WITH THE HELMET RIPPING OFF.

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Schwartz's prodigy...

I'm sure there are other incidents. There are. Schwart's reaction to the Harbaugh's pat on the back was way over the line. And the chippy game with the Bears was another example of Schwartz swearing at the refs, and advocating dirty play. After Stafford grabbed a player by the helemt, Schwartz's comments after the game were of indifference.

I don't know if Suh's behavior are truly his own actions, or if Schwartz is encouraging him to hurt players. But ripping helmets off is more than just "playing past the whistle." That's a crock of shit. You don't go for someone's head unless you want to maliciously hurt them. Ripping helmets off, torquing someone into the ground by their head - these are all things that can result in career-ending injuries. These are all actions that can result in serious injuries like paralysis or coma.

Suh is a sack of shit, and I hope he gets suspended for the rest of the regular season. The guy has ripped off a number of player's helmets in extracurricular play. That shit should come with a 40,000 fine, then a suspension, then expulsion from the league if it is blatant and intentional.

And look, I'm not against hitting and physicality. I think some of the new rules really suck. I think the passers get way too much protection, and there have been numerous tackles this year that have resulted in fines when they looked like good clean hits to me. Football is physical, and I love the monster hits along with everyone else. But there is a difference between a clean monster hit, and ripping someone's helmet off or driving their head to the ground with clear intentions to hurt them.

Suh's dismissive response is the same reaction you see from wife beaters, child abusers, and serial killers. It shows lack of understanding and empathy and borders on antisocial. Serious cognitive dissonance there. Again - I don't know how much of that comes down to Suh or if Suh is just doing what Schwartz has coached him to do.

But Suh is still a sack of shit.

Not only is his 'dirty player' reputation cemented, but I hope the guy gets fined and suspended til the end of the season.

KillerGremlin

11-25-2011, 12:03 AM

I guess the irony in all this is that the Lions still suck. They are hugely overrated, and they play a number of good teams down this final stretch.

I still believe we could see them go 9-7, or even 8-8, which is a far cry from their Super Bowl dreams when they had that 5-0 stretch at the beginning of the season. The past few weeks have really STFU Lion's fans.

The Lions play a heated Saints team, a rising Vikings team, the Raiders, the Chargers, and the Packers again.

The Saints and Chargers won't be pushovers and can put up huge offensive points. The Vikings will bring the division rivalry. The Raiders may be a challenge as they are on the up and up. And I have to imagine after today's game, even if the Packers clinch a first-round-bye-home-field playoff berth, they will still play with passion reserved for giant cunts like Jim Schwartz.

Teams with the type of frenetic energy the Lions have who can't stay composed never do well. Jim Schwartz is being paid big bucks to COMPOSE his team. That doesn't just include calling plays and managing the clock: that includes managing your players. I didn't see Schwartz talk with Suh after he was ejected; he said a few passing words, and yelled at the refs.

The sad thing is that there is real talent on that team. Even Suh. If Schwartz redirected that energy towards positive, composed football, they could be a real good team.

Edit: Bond, how is the local news coverage on the Packers? In Chicago on our Bears-biased TV news, they are even ripping into the Lions and Suh. Talking about how today was the "one day out of the year to root for the Packers." How is your media addressing the whole situation?

Bond

11-25-2011, 09:32 AM

The local media outlets have actually just been reporting what happened and then providing commentary from national writers and announcers. No local commentary yet, but that might come later. Honestly, the media here doesn't like reporting on any negative event associated with the Packers, so it might not receive as much attention. Focus is more-so on being 11-0.

However, there was this gem from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

T.J. Lang didn't see the entire play. But he saw enough. Ndamukong Suh was on top of his teammate Evan Dietrich-Smith, slamming the guard's head on the ground and then stomping on him. See the clip here.

So, no, Lang isn't buying Suh's postgame remarks that he was "held down" by Dietrich-Smith.

"That's bull----," Lang said after the Packers' 27-15 win. "I saw when I was walking over there to see what's going on, he clearly had Evan by the facemask pinned to the ground. His explanation is crap.

Typhoid

11-25-2011, 05:29 PM

:ohreilly:

I'm going to try Jehova up some Witnesses here.

This Sunday is the 99th Grey Cup, in Vancouver. The BC Lions are in said Grey Cup. BC place holds roughly 60,000 people. I forsee it being a 50,000+ home field advantage.

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/5599890.bin?size=620x400

I advise you 'Muricans to watch this Grey Cup game, despite the fact your laughable brand of Football is also usually on on Sundays.

Bond

11-27-2011, 10:22 AM

Unfortunately, it looks like the NFL Network is the only station carrying the Grey Cup in America, which means most of us (including me) won't be able to watch it. :(

Bond

11-27-2011, 08:34 PM

KillerGremlin

11-27-2011, 08:38 PM

Tebow once again rallied the Broncos past the Chargers in overtime, 16-13. He is now 5-1 as a starter. I'm not going to defend his long-term prospect at being a successful NFL quarterback, but you have to give this guy some respect for proving everyone wrong thus far.

Any win against Phillip Rivers is a success in my book. And the fact that Rivers was Tebowned makes it even better.

The Germanator

11-27-2011, 10:52 PM

4-7 Eagles! Maybe this will get Andy Reid fired! And don't say, "you don't know what you got until it's gone." Look at McNabb. I just think it's a time for change. Some one has to win this town a Super Bowl.

Vampyr

11-28-2011, 10:20 AM

Tebow once again rallied the Broncos past the Chargers in overtime, 16-13. He is now 5-1 as a starter. I'm not going to defend his long-term prospect at being a successful NFL quarterback, but you have to give this guy some respect for proving everyone wrong thus far.

I can't believe how many rushing yards he is continuing to pick up in the NFL. I thought that would get him killed really quick.

Typhoid

11-28-2011, 03:40 PM

I know only I care because it's a different sport. but fuuuuuuuuck you alll.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Professor S

11-28-2011, 06:20 PM

Even the Special Olympics gives out gold medals... ;) :D

Bond

12-04-2011, 05:06 PM

KillerGremlin

12-05-2011, 05:35 AM

Favre should come play for the Bears! Think of the sacrilege!

I'm just kidding...but we should pick up McNabb in case Hanie continues to suck. Martz is going to be leaving next year according to sources, no one is surprised. Forte is injured...Cutler is injured. What is this cruel world?

God hates Kyle Orton more than the Bears. Seriously, that was the best "hurt your finger in one play" ever.

Roy Williams isn't fit for childbirth because he will most certainly drop his baby.

Speaking of God, did anyone see Tim Tebow? Maybe I need to second-guess his skills. I still think his stout defense is where the "getting done" is getting done.

The Lions cemented their dirty reputation last week. Apparently they didn't get the memo. How many penalties did they have against the Saints? It's cool though, Drew Brees is like the most upstanding quarterback in the NFL. Someone give that guy a medal for being down to earth and not being a pile of douches.

Speaking of piles of douches: Joe Buck. Seriously, don't even waste effort on hating that boring guy.

I'm pretty sure I want to see a Packers vs. Steelers Super Bowl this year. So go Green Bay! But if the Saints make it, I'm okay with that too. That has to be a legit concern considering how close the Giants got today. The 49ers are still flying under the radar in my book. Good thing I don't know anything about football.

You know how I know Ryan Fitzpatrick is a genius? No, it's not because he went to Harvard. It's because he negotiated that huge multi-million dollar contract before the Bills decided to suck.

And Chargers vs. the Jags on Monday night? The only reason I'll tune in is so that I can hopefully watch Rivers lose.

Also, I'm very happy for you Canada. You have maple syrup and the CFL. Non-Canadians care about one of those things.

Bond

12-11-2011, 08:21 PM

Tebow Train, anyone?

P.S. 13-0. :)

KillerGremlin

12-12-2011, 06:30 AM

I was waiting for somebody to tell me to get off my soapbox after I went on a rant around Week 5 complaining about how the Bears are fucked and how we have the worst coaches in the world.

Mike Martz is still a fucking putz and Lovie Smith is Andy Reid retarded. I do not understand the play calls by Martz on offense or the decision to go into a lax cover 2 defense with the safeties 25 yards down field.

EVERY FUCKING TIME the Bears have the lead Smith drops the safeties back 25 yards and lets plays go 10 yards down field easy. We had Tebow's ass covered all game until the final 4 minutes.

As far as Marian Barber fumbling and not going out of bounds, whatever. The guy is a fucking idiot. He isn't our starting back; we drafted him to punch in touchdowns at the 10 yard line.

Obviously the Bear's season was fucked when Cutler went out, double so with Forte out. But our coaching and front end office is still among the worst in the league (IMO). I feel sorry for Cutler, Forte, and Robbie Gould who is a CLUTCH kicker.

As far as Tebow? The kid has passion, but he played like pig shit for 3 quarters. 6-1 or whatever seems like crazy talent and not just a series of flukes...but I'm pretty sure the Broncos will get raped when they play better teams.

Here is to a Packers vs. Saints NFC Championship game, and a Packers vs. Steelers Super Bowl.

Typhoid

12-12-2011, 03:23 PM

As far as Tebow? The kid has passion, but he played like pig shit for 3 quarters. 6-1 or whatever seems like crazy talent and not just a series of flukes...but I'm pretty sure the Broncos will get raped when they play better teams.

I don't know how to feel about him, man.
They showed some of his stats last night for the comeback wins that he has. I forget how many, and am too lazy to look it up. Anyways, crazy amount of comeback wins from the 3rd and late 4th. So either that kid has some crazy-ass poise-reserve that he digs into late in games, or they've somehow strung together like...8 coincidences and close calls. I guess it can be a statistical probability that eventually a rookie GB will rescue a bunch of games based solely on coincidence. But for the sake of the Broncos I'd like to believe that he's actually as good as the last 10 minutes of his game usually shows. I mean, I know he's not catching those balls, or intercepting passes, and he's only one part of the puzzle - but you don't get __ comeback wins by having strong defense.

KillerGremlin

12-18-2011, 06:34 PM

Kyle Orton! Yeah.

And the Bears meltdown continues. If they don't fire Smith and Angelo I'll be annoyed and honestly not surprised.

Bond

12-18-2011, 06:45 PM

It's cool, but we need to watch these accumulating injuries.

Lots of upsets this week.

KG, isn't it hard to expect the Bears to win w/o Cutler and Forte?

KillerGremlin

12-18-2011, 09:19 PM

KG, isn't it hard to expect the Bears to win w/o Cutler and Forte?

No. Barber is a great running back, and Bell isn't bad. Our loses are reflections of bad drafting, lack of second and third string depth...Hanie BLOWS. When Big Ben was suspended for a couple of games last year, the team chugged on with their stout defense and run game. When the Texans lost their first and second quarterbacks this year, they kept rolling.

The AFC West is terrible. There is no reason for the Bears to close that stretch 1-3. The Seahawks suck too.

Our offensive line is shit. Total garbage. That tells you just how good Jay Cutler is, making our offensive line look competent. Our receiver core cannot run routes or catch passes. Mike Martz has been out coached the past few weeks against a weak ass AFC West, and don't even ask what Lovie is doing.

Honestly...there is a lot of internal conflict and poor decision making at Chicago. Look at your team, the Packers. Half the guys on last year's Super Bowl team were drafted players. Young guys. Guys who were inserted into a carefully designed system run by a competent front office and an amazing coach, McCarthy.

The Bears...have sunk a lot of money into guys like Roy Williams, Marion Barber, and Julius Peppers. I love Peppers, but he is prone to injury, old, and has a limited window to play.

Roy Williams is known as "Droptimus Prime" you know. The compliment to Megatron.

All the Bears had to do for a shot at the playoffs was to beat a few struggling AFC west teams, and a crappy Seahawks team...they should have picked up McNabb for beans. McNabb is mature and knows how to throw the ball away or stand in the pocket and take a sack. Hanie is young, developing, and an Interception throwing machine. You cannot win games by throwing 2 pick sixes. You cannot win a game if you lose the turnover battle and score on average 11 points.

KillerGremlin

12-18-2011, 09:32 PM

Look at the Packers last year...proof that injuries shouldn't cripple a team. The Packers have so much depth with their receiver core. Even the controversial Rodgers/Favre draft was a brilliant organizational move. People thought it was crazy to draft Rodgers with Favre. Look who has a Super Bowl now.

The Patriots constantly cycle in new guys. Or they bring guys to their team who have not had success elsewhere and turn them into superstars.

If teams don't have that type of scouting and eye for fitting players into a system, then the usually scrub the system and build an empire from bottom up. There are definitely teams that have "one shot" at success. They start with a group of players and make small changes.

And then you have the Bears who are cobbled together. It's like trying to build a robot out of junkyard parts, and the builder is a drunk guy who doesn't really know what he is doing. I'm not saying the Bear's method cannot produce Super Bowls every once in a blue moon...but when was the last time the Bears had a good quarterback...or had numerous back-to-back winning seasons. It's been a long time.