Mafia: Star Wars – Final Results & Post-Game Talk

[Bond]

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Day Ten

And so it ends.

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The Dead

Teuthida – Boba Fett (Villager) – Killed by the Mafia in round eight
Bube - Princess Leia (Villager) - Killed by the vote in round eight

Previously Dead

The Germanator – Yoda (Villager) – Killed by the Mafia in round seven
Nighthawk – Emperor Palpatine (Villager) – Killed by the vote in round seven
Vampyr – Qui-Gon Jinn (Villager) – Killed by the Mafia in round six
tornadothrasher – Jabba the Hutt (Mafia) – Killed by the vote in round six
jeepnut – Padme Amidala (Villager) – Killed by the Mafia in round five
Swan – R2-D2 (Villager) – Killed by the vote in round five
Dylflon – Chewbacca (Seer) – Killed by the Mafia in round four
thatmariolover – Obi-Wan Kenobi (Villager) – Killed by the vote in round four
Fyacin - C-3PO (Vigilante) - Killed by the Mafia in round three
BreakABone - Admiral Ackbar (Mafia) - Killed by the vote in round three
Ric - Darth Vader (Villager) - Killed by the Vigilante in round two
Darmani - Darth Maul (Villager) - Killed by the Mafia in round two
Combine - Jango Fett (Mafia) - Killed by the vote in round two
Typhoid – Luke Skywalker (Guardian) – Killed by the Mafia in round one
Manasecret – Lando Calrissian (Villager) – Killed by the vote in round one


Player / Character List

1. Angrist - Han Solo (Villager)
2. BlueFire - General Grievous (Mafia)


MAFIA WINS!


I have just a few observations:

- The mafia were at somewhat of an advantage, as the villagers had one less player than they should have.

- Jeepnut had the game completely figured out all the way back in round 3, after Combine died, he posted this:
Alright, so just in case I don't survive this round, I'm letting everyone know my suspicions.

Swan - Went out of his way to concoct a theory where me voting off Combine makes sense.

BaBs - Obviously

BlueFire - Voted for BaBs last round when he claimed to be siding with Ric and now seems to be reluctant choose.

tornadothrasher - Has been keeping a low profile. What little he has contributed has been presented without much explanation.

Nighthawk - To a much lesser degree. I'm not sure if he's hiding behind his inability to contribute more, but obviously, I feel he's reached the wrong conclusion.

- The villagers missed a key clue that revealed who was the last mafia. Bube was inactive last round, meaning it would be impossible for him to be mafia, as the mafia killed a player.

- BlueFire really won the game for the mafia - congratulations!

[BreakABone]

We did it!

We friggin did it!

Yes most of the credit goes to Bluefire for flying under the radar until the very end, but we did it! :D

[The Germanator]

Dang, we kind of blew it. Bluefire would've been my vote had I been around to tell, but oh well. Getting it to 1-1 wasn't too bad of a result, my voting record was pretty good except for Nighthawk.

[Ric]

Lies, I thought it was Angrist, despite his posts. Looks like BLueFire fooled me.

At least I sowed the seed's of BaB's demise during round two even though they did not come to fruition till round three, when jeepnut watered them.

Fyacin? What the fook man? You Vigilante'd me. How could I have made it any clearer that I was a good guy? Not even a PM to try and find out first? Seems odd that the Mafia killed my brother Darmani on the same night. What happened there then? You fear our early alliance with one another?

In all honesty I think the fact the mafia won is down to some shoddy playing by the villagers in the last few rounds. You lost your heart for the game guys, what happened aye? You were on fire then suddenly just died down and seemed to give up. I was so frustrated because I had noticed what Bond mentions above. I could sware Bube was not Mafia but could not say. I shouted at the pc but no one heared me.

BLueFire, didn't see that one, you duped me man.

So anyway as I said all the way back at the start (in the rules thread) -
*We will see who is Galactic Don, come the end of this war*

Looks like you take the title, Galactic Don BLueFire. The sole survivor, your galaxy is a lonley and desolate place.

Nice game Bond, I thoroughly enjoyed it mate ;)
Except when I got killed :mad2:

[Vampyr]

Nicely played BlueFire.

[Fyacin]

Eh, I feel like I totally failed as a vigilante. Bluefire was actually going to be my kill on the night I died, but I didn't have time to change it.

I have a question for the Mafia though, how did you manage to pick me out like that?

[BlueFire]

Wow. I'm surprised I actually made it. Seriously.

Angrist, Bube, jeepnut and Germy- you guys were the biggest threats. I honestly didn't think I'd make it past Round 5 or 6. That was a lot of fun.

And for the most part... luck was on my side. :p

[Swan]

Well that was fun.

[BreakABone]

Eh, I feel like I totally failed as a vigilante. Bluefire was actually going to be my kill on the night I died, but I didn't have time to change it.

I have a question for the Mafia though, how did you manage to pick me out like that?

So I finally get to explain this.

It was actually pretty easy since the villagers gave us all the information. :lol:

Let's start with the Seer, Dylflon came out and told us he was the Seer so we knew that from round 1. He also did us a favor as I intended to kill him round 1 as he had the most experience, he was also the most deadly oppenent, but as he asked the Guardian for protection, I didn't waste the kill.

The Guardian, thanks to Dylflon tipping off the thread that he was in contact with the supposed Vigilante, I narrowed the field down to those he knew in real life which was Typhoid and Swan, Typhoid made the most sense because of their relationship, and he all but confirmed it to me while talking during round one.

The Vigilante, I suspected was either Swan or Fyacin due to the lack of a kill in round 1, but when he killed in round 2 and Swan wasn't active at all, I figured it out. Germie also helped as he sent me a message showing that at the end of round 2, Jeepnut, Ric and Fyacin were all PMing, I already knew Ric and Jeepnut were in an alliance so figured Fyacin was the Vigilante and was trying to get his kill in last second.

We didn't kill Dylflon after killing the Guardian because we needed some way to divert the attention that idea came from Teuthida as I originally intended to kill off Dylflon in round 2, but he mentioned that if he was Mafia, he would keep him alive in hopes that people voted him off in round 3.

Before my death, I left Bluefire a list of people to kill and why
Dylflon because he had the best chance of figuring us out.
Jeepnut because no one in their right mind would vote against him.
Vamp becuse he and Teuthida were the only two who were confirmed goodies once Dylflon was confirmed as Seer.

No one expected the game to last that long so I'm glad Bluefire made some snap calls in his kills essentially breaking up little alliances.

And a lot of luck helped in the final round.

So once again thanks to team Dark Side, Combine, Tornado, myself and of course Bluefire!

:D

[jeepnut]

Really, I almost think us killing BaBs was the action that made it all fall apart for the villagers. As soon as he died, I felt lost and didn't know where to turn from there. He was the only one I was sure of.

That was a great game though. I'm looking forward to the next one. Very well played BlueFire.

[Teuthida]

Got lazy once it was proven I was a goodie and didn't have to go so deep into my reasons why I thought someone was a goodie or baddie. Just voted for whoever after that.

But kind of funny though. Every single mafia game I make it to the very last round only to lose and die.

[Vampyr]

Tornado not posting for two rounds also caused some confusion for a while, we didn't have anything to go on.

I think in the future if you miss more than 1 round you should get killed. :P

[KillerGremlin]

I enjoyed spectating the game to say the least, and hopefully will be around and have enough time to participate in the next game. I think BaB was the only super-suspect guy throughout the whole thing, everyone else played a pretty low-key game. I don't think I'll ever trust BaB in a mafia game.

[Typhoid]

I can't really comment on anything since I was the first one killed in the game, because Dylflon said he was in contact with someone claiming to be the vigilante (which I never actually claimed to be - I just didn't answer him when he asked me what I was).


I did however watch every thread, and it seemed obvious (to me, anyhow) that Tornado and BF was mafia. I also assumed Three Dog was, because he owed me a backstabbing after last game.:p


The vigilante seemed to lack purpose at times, however. Which was a major downfall for the innocents.

[Angrist]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha. :D Blast, wrong decision after suspecting BF all this time!!

That's really a shame... I figured my last minute thinking really made sense, but I should have went with my instinct. I think in the future if you miss more than 1 round you should get killed. :PYeah I agree. It sucks SO much that each mafia player can just fake inactivity for 2 days.
Bond, you say Bube was inactive in the previous round, so he couldn't be mafia. How can you know for sure? He could just have gotten in to get in his PM kill, but not his posts/vote. The reason I figure he went to bed early was because he had already picked a victim, and he was the only member left, so didn't need to discuss it.

Well played BlueFire. :) I still can't believe I went for Bube in the end. Sorry Bube. :(

BF, now you and me are the only ones left in the galaxy, how swell. ;)

[Ric]

BF, now you and me are the only ones left in the galaxy, how swell. ;)

Actually as jeepnut informed me (Here) (http://www.gametavern.net/forums/showthread.php?t=19890&page=5) that the mafia get their kill first so sorry Angrist but you are dead :lol: BLueFire is all alone. The galaxy has been conquered by the Sith. That's why the Mafia won and it was not a draw.


Originally Posted by Vampyr
I think in the future if you miss more than 1 round you should get killed. :P

I firmly believe that people should be given a chance to explain themselves first. What would happen if you did not post through no fault of your own, say your internet connection went down. I do not think people should be penalised in certain circumstances, not without them offering an explanation anyway. Innocent until proven guilty, game makers descretion and all that ;)

[jeepnut]

Actually as jeepnut informed me (Here) (http://www.gametavern.net/forums/showthread.php?t=19890&page=5) that the mafia get their kill first so sorry Angrist but you are dead :lol: BLueFire is all alone. The galaxy has been conquered by the Sith. That's why the Mafia won and it was not a draw.




I firmly believe that people should be given a chance to explain themselves first. What would happen if you did not post through no fault of your own, say your internet connection went down. I do not think people should be penalised in certain circumstances, not without them offering an explanation anyway. Innocent until proven guilty, game makers descretion and all that ;)

That's why you get 1 round, but no more.

[Bond]

Bond, you say Bube was inactive in the previous round, so he couldn't be mafia. How can you know for sure? He could just have gotten in to get in his PM kill, but not his posts/vote. The reason I figure he went to bed early was because he had already picked a victim, and he was the only member left, so didn't need to discuss it.
Because he didn't even visit GT yesterday. You can tell by the "Total members who visited today" feature.


And to Vamp -- I agree about the two days inactivity. I was initialing going to be that strict, but then later I decided to be more lenient. I would probably be more strict in the future. Tornadothrasher played the game in a rather unfair manner.

[Angrist]

Because he didn't even visit GT yesterday. You can tell by the "Total members who visited today" feature.I thought you were going to say that. :)

Go to the user panel and to options:
Use Invisible Mode
Invisible mode allows you to browse the forums without appearing in the 'Currently Active Users' lists.
Use Invisible Mode

[Bond]

Bube doesn't use invisible mode, though. I believe we only have one member who does.

But I see your point.

[BreakABone]

Really, I almost think us killing BaBs was the action that made it all fall apart for the villagers. As soon as he died, I felt lost and didn't know where to turn from there. He was the only one I was sure of.

That was a great game though. I'm looking forward to the next one. Very well played BlueFire.
I still find it funny you won that battle.. although I still don't know what grounds you were basing your accusations on.

My greatest legacy was my death though as I watched you folks chase your own tail for two rounds killing off TML and Swan.

I will give BF credit for thinking to not always vote with your alliance.

Though that bite us in the ass once when Combine refused to vote for Ric which would have killed him.


Tornado not posting for two rounds also caused some confusion for a while, we didn't have anything to go on.

I think in the future if you miss more than 1 round you should get killed. :P
Well to be fair, I believe he only didn't post in one round, he didn't get the bare minimum two posts in another round.


I enjoyed spectating the game to say the least, and hopefully will be around and have enough time to participate in the next game. I think BaB was the only super-suspect guy throughout the whole thing, everyone else played a pretty low-key game. I don't think I'll ever trust BaB in a mafia game.
I honestly don't think I've ever been in a Mafia game where people haven't suspected me. I may have to go back, but I don't think I ever made it past a 3rd or 4th round. :lolz:

I don't want to sound too full of myself, but when don't I... I think its simply because as far as I know, I have always been the most active backstage move maker, forming alliances with people here and there.

In the game itself, I don't think I've done anything out of the ordinary.

I can't really comment on anything since I was the first one killed in the game, because Dylflon said he was in contact with someone claiming to be the vigilante (which I never actually claimed to be - I just didn't answer him when he asked me what I was).


I did however watch every thread, and it seemed obvious (to me, anyhow) that Tornado and BF was mafia. I also assumed Three Dog was, because he owed me a backstabbing after last game.:p


The vigilante seemed to lack purpose at times, however. Which was a major downfall for the innocents.

Yeah, I owed you a backstabbing, and I got my payback on Teuthida. And even though not directly, eventually on Jeepnut though think was responsible for outting him in last Mafia anyhow.

As an outsider with insider knowledge, I would have assumed Vamp and Angrist was Mafia.

Vamp was always changing his votes, and coming up with a scheme to trick people so he could vote against them. My favorite day was when I believe TT/BF were all but voted out, and then Swan enters the thread and Vamp pulls the trigger which creates this effect and somehow the two Mafia survive because the villagers were able to create this scenario in their head.

And that was the biggest thing I learned watching this game, at the end of the day it isn't about evidence or voting record, it is about who can get the most people to follow their insane logic. No matter if it goes against their instincts.

[Angrist]

I'm still pissed off that I didn't go with BF in the end.
Then again, it would have been a coin toss, which is never fun. (Teuthida woke up after the round ended, so he couldn't change his vote.)

I'd like to know why I was suspicious in this game. :D I mean, I didn't mind that I was, but I would just like to know what people were thinking.

[BreakABone]

I'm still pissed off that I didn't go with BF in the end.
Then again, it would have been a coin toss, which is never fun. (Teuthida woke up after the round ended, so he couldn't change his vote.)

I'd like to know why I was suspicious in this game. :D I mean, I didn't mind that I was, but I would just like to know what people were thinking.

Actually, you nor Teuthida really popped on anyone's radar.

I actually mentioned to Teuthida before the game started that somehow he always seems to remain under the radar which is why so easy for him to make it to the final round.... he just needs to win one ;)

[KillerGremlin]

I actually kind of suspected Germy and Angrist once BaB got voted out. I figured BaB and Tornado where the obvious Mafia, but both Angrist and Germy were very vague.

[Angrist]

Ric also suspected me. So I was wondering why. :p Because I talked to much etc?

[BreakABone]

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[jeepnut]

I still find it funny you won that battle.. although I still don't know what grounds you were basing your accusations on.


I wasn't sure. I was extremely relieved when I found out that you were indeed mafia.

However, a couple of things tipped me off. The first was you contacting me to form an alliance. Never before have we had any significant contact in a mafia game outside of the game threads so I thought that was odd almost right off the bat.

The second was your immediate desire to go after Dylflon and your reluctance to vote off someone who wasn't actively playing the game. I kind of wondered, "Why does he care so much?"

The third and most substantial clue was when I asked you if we could swing the vote, and you said.

I'm trying to avoid large scale alliances this time
Got in trouble last time, and all it takes is for one person to sneak in.

But the thing that finally made me sure, was when you immediately attacked me after I switched my vote at the end of round one even though I had been cooperating with you. You lead me to change my vote and then you take the safe route and you blame me for doing the same. I thought, "He's going to use this to his advantage and get me voted out unfairly." From then on, I was sure you were mafia and after the Combine vote and I had a good idea of who I could trust, I made it my focus to get you voted out.

Well, it was either that or blind rage. Either way, I was convinced you were mafia.

[Angrist]

So other question: How did we end up voting off Combine? Did it really start with Bube pointing out Combine made a random vote?

[Nighthawk]

That was fun... so it seems Bube and I were right about BF :D

but still, I know I was kinda passive in this game. first time is always hard :p I'll try to be more active in future games.

[Ric]

Though that bite us in the ass once when Combine refused to vote for Ric which would have killed him.

Combine and I had been in contact and he was aware that I was defending him, believing that he was good. Had he voted for me in this case I would have known, categorically, that he was Mafia. As I did with you when you turned against me. Combine was covering his own arse there.

Oh and FTR had he voted for me I would have voted for him instead of you making it a draw again so it would have been down to the coin toss. Makes no odd's since Fyacin fucked me up anyway :lol:


Ric also suspected me. So I was wondering why. :p Because I talked to much etc?

It was just a feeling I had. I felt you had been overlooked by most people if not everyone. There was nothing specifically that you done but I had two phrases in mind:
1. hard to see the dark side is
2. one of the devils greatest tricks is deception
I had no real proof, just a feeling. Call it intuition if you will ;)


Funny how at points in the game I had been in contact with Combine, Three Dog and BLueFire and they all convinced me they were good, for a time. The only ones I was really sure about in the end were Three Dog and tornado.

[Combine 017]

Combine and I had been in contact and he was aware that I was defending him, believing that he was good. Had he voted for me in this case I would have known, categorically, that he was Mafia. As I did with you when you turned against me. Combine was covering his own arse there.

See Earl. Thats pretty much exactly what I said. You sold yourself out.
And besides, I might have been evil but I wasnt going to stab a friend in the back, at least not then...

[Bube]

I've been saying BF was evil ever since we voted Combine off.. Why didn't anybody jump on the boat, and instead turned on me in just 2 rounds? I knew I shouldn't have revealed the Fyacin being a vigilante thing..

[Angrist]

I was counting good and bad calls that you and BF made. BF had way more bad calls. And I've always suspected him.

But you were suspicious because you were inactive, hardly posted. And I got a last minute theory, which made me believe BF was innocent after all.
It was an exciting game. :D

[Bube]

Not just you, Teuthida also voted for me, although I'm guessing that was because of they Fyacin thing..

Meh, whatever, I think it was a good game as well..

[BlueFire]

It was a fun game. If I play Mafia next time, I'd like to play on the good side. :p Being a detective sounds more fun than deceit.

[BreakABone]

It was a fun game. If I play Mafia next time, I'd like to play on the good side. :p Being a detective sounds more fun than deceit.

I got to say I prefer being on the good side as well.

Its a bit different when you are evil since know most of the mechanics.

[Angrist]

I've never been mafia. I'd like to.

[Vampyr]

I've only been mafia once.

I found it more fun than being good.

[Ric]

I actually would like to have been an evil character in this wars. I was Darth Vader man. I thought it would be fun to play the game from a different angle. I think I told BaB this when I was still alive and trying to convince him I was good, little did I know that he was decieving me at the time.

Still I did enjoy the game as a goodie though. I think a big part of it for me was the Star Wars Theme, I thought it was cool. It is a shame there was no narrative at the end. There were some really funny bits in previous ones. I found it hard to try and read it before I looked down the page to see the results of the round before.