Police Can Attach GPS to Cars Without Warrant

[Typhoid]

I honestly don't see a problem to this unless you're doing illegal activity and afraid of getting caught.

I mean, if the police have no reason to be searching for you in the first place - they won't be - so you have nothing to give a shit about.

You can already track cell phones, so why not cars. It makes sense, to me.

It will make it easier to find and recover stolen cars, the people who stole them, or to find criminals in general [as long as they have a car, or cell phone].

To say the thing about the collars is pretty silly. Because this is nothing like 'controlling a population and directly following you around'. It's your car. And like I said, they can already do it with cell phones, and nobody raised an eyebrow at that.

[Ginkasa]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

I honestly don't see a problem to this unless you're doing illegal activity and afraid of getting caught.

I mean, if the police have no reason to be searching for you in the first place - they won't be - so you have nothing to give a shit about.

You can already track cell phones, so why not cars. It makes sense, to me.

It will make it easier to find and recover stolen cars, the people who stole them, or to find criminals in general [as long as they have a car, or cell phone].

To say the thing about the collars is pretty silly. Because this is nothing like 'controlling a population and directly following you around'. It's your car. And like I said, they can already do it with cell phones, and nobody raised an eyebrow at that.

Cell phone tracking, however, just feels like a price of having a phone. Its in the nature of the thing, yeah? Cars are different. I don't really mind the idea of having a GPS in my car for the reasons you posted above, but I want to "opt in," not have it done without my permission.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

I honestly don't see a problem to this unless you're doing illegal activity and afraid of getting caught.

I mean, if the police have no reason to be searching for you in the first place - they won't be - so you have nothing to give a shit about.

You can already track cell phones, so why not cars. It makes sense, to me.

It will make it easier to find and recover stolen cars, the people who stole them, or to find criminals in general [as long as they have a car, or cell phone].

To say the thing about the collars is pretty silly. Because this is nothing like 'controlling a population and directly following you around'. It's your car. And like I said, they can already do it with cell phones, and nobody raised an eyebrow at that.

The problem with your argumeent is that the supposition is incorrect. Police need a warrant to access you cell phone usage (as of a court decision in 2008). That doesn't mean they always abide by that law. There is actually a big argument about the FBI illegally tracking cell phones going on right now. Its likely to head to the supreme court, and rightfully so.

[Typhoid]

Prof - here is how I look at this.

Why do you care if the police are able to see where you are at any given time? Are you doing anything illegal? What do you have to hide?

The only people this hurts, is those doing illegal activity, or activity that is shady to their character that can somehow be used against them in a court of law, assuming they are doing something illegal in the first place.

It won't be "Oh my god ____ is in Kentucky." "What! Send the SWAT Team, he's from Alabama! We've been randomly tracking him, and him being out of state is concerning to us!"


The same way they don't randomly track your phone. I mean, sure. If you give them REASON to track you, they will find a way to do so. Just as before phones, [and the way to track cars] they would find out where you lived. Is that illegal? No. Why should your phone be illegal? You have a number. That number [much like a house number, and insurance/license plate] is registered to YOU - meaning it is always with YOU. So them being able to know where you live, or where your car, or phone is at any given point - so long as you give them reason to chase you - is totally fine.

If you stay within the bounds of the law, who cares.

You might say "Yeah, but they can find out where your car/phone is at any given point!"

To which I say "Sure, but but they can also see where you live by looking at anything."

Going into a house is one thing. That - you need a warrant for.
Knowing where your car is, or where your phone is, seems ridiculous to care about - unless you're doing things that are illegal, or that you're ashamed about.

I for one, want the government to know where I am at any given time. Granted people keep their phone on them at all times, and I get kidnapped, they will know where I am. Especially if my car gets stolen, it will be a fast way to find it.

Sure, they can do it without a warrant, but who gives a shit. Do you have anything to hide? Will they randomly peg pieces of paper and say "This guy. Let's go check where his car is, and why it's there." No. They won't.

Stop acting overly paranoid over things that don't even matter in the least, or put on your tinfoil at. All or nothing.

[Vampyr]

Typh, I think your posts are overly optimistic.

And no, I don't do anything illegal but I still don't want it to be legal for a cop to hide a GPS on my car.

If you want a gps on your car so that it can be found quickly if stolen, hide one yourself.

[Typhoid]

A) If you know it's there, it's not hiding. Different story if they randomly choose you out of a jar of pickled eggs with millions of names of Americans on it.
B) Where was the massive uprising when people found out they can track your phone? You always have your phone on you. You're not always with your car. It would make [at least] a little more sense that if you're going to get upset over something like this, you get upset at the thing you have on you all the time.

Other than "I personally don't like the idea of being tracked", give me 5 reasons why it's actually wrong, if you're a law-abiding citizen [Not a good movie, by the way] who goes to church every Sunday and never does anything illegal.

Why should John Q Catholic give a shit if the government knows where he is. They won't be looking for him unless he gives them a reason to.

It's not as if they're breaking into your car to search the contents, breaking into your house, or listening in on your calls. They know these three things [house, phone, car] belong to you. They know where your house is. Why should they not be able to know where your car or phone is.

Like I said, tinfoil hats. All or nothing.
If you're afraid of the fact they can figure out where your car is if they need to, you should be equally as scared that the government knows where you live, work, and how much you make. You should be afraid they know how many children you have, when you were born, and what type of car you have. Hell, even where your children even go to school.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

A) If you know it's there, it's not hiding. Different story if they randomly choose you out of a jar of pickled eggs with millions of names of Americans on it.

What is this response to, me saying you should put a GPS tracker on your own car? If -you- hide it then it -is- hidden, unless you steal your own car.

B) Where was the massive uprising when people found out they can track your phone? You always have your phone on you. You're not always with your car. It would make [at least] a little more sense that if you're going to get upset over something like this, you get upset at the thing you have on you all the time.

Like prof said, you need a warrant for that. The issue here isn't that they have the ability to put a gps on your car, it's that they can do it without a warrant. Should police be able to search someone's home if they have evidence he/she may be a thief, child molester, murderer, etc? Yes. Should they be able to if they don't have any evidence? No. Why? Because I don't like the idea of someone having access to my house any time they wan't, whether I'm doing something illegal or not, and that's the only reason that actually matters. I don't need 5 other ones. I've never heard of laws or policy being put into place because someone couldn't write down five whole reasons...I mean what if they only had four?

It's not as if they're breaking into your car to search the contents, breaking into your house, or listening in on your calls. They know these three things [house, phone, car] belong to you. They know where your house is. Why should they not be able to know where your car or phone is.

They -can't- just do any of those things you listed. Have to have a warrant.

Like I said, tinfoil hats. All or nothing.
If you're afraid of the fact they can figure out where your car is if they need to, you should be equally as scared that the government knows where you live, work, and how much you make. You should be afraid they know how many children you have, when you were born, and what type of car you have. Hell, even where your children even go to school.

Obviously all of these things are not equal to another. There's a line that's crossed when you go between knowing I make 60k a year and knowing that I go to starbucks every day at 2:30 and spend $3 on a coffee before driving five minutes back to where I work.

[Dylflon]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

I honestly don't see a problem to this unless you're doing illegal activity and afraid of getting caught.

I mean, if the police have no reason to be searching for you in the first place - they won't be - so you have nothing to give a shit about.

You can already track cell phones, so why not cars. It makes sense, to me.

It will make it easier to find and recover stolen cars, the people who stole them, or to find criminals in general [as long as they have a car, or cell phone].

To say the thing about the collars is pretty silly. Because this is nothing like 'controlling a population and directly following you around'. It's your car. And like I said, they can already do it with cell phones, and nobody raised an eyebrow at that.

Haha, if the OP was said that car tracking by GPS was great you would have sprung up with the argument about how it's not.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

Haha, if the OP was said that car tracking by GPS was great you would have sprung up with the argument about how it's not.

Shhh.
They don't know that.