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Typhoid · 05-31-2009, 05:16 PM

Now you're just being a really stereotypical dick, Strangler.

BreakABone · 05-31-2009, 06:05 PM

How did this thread take a turn for the serious?

Typhoid · 05-31-2009, 06:12 PM

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How did this thread take a turn for the serious?

Well, someone made a well-known joke towards the United States, and Strangler seemed to take a 70 year old's stance of "If it wasn't for us, you'd be blowing Nazi's."

I think that's exactly how it got serious, really.

BreakABone · 05-31-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

Well, someone made a well-known joke towards the United States, and Strangler seemed to take a 70 year old's stance of "If it wasn't for us, you'd be blowing Nazi's."

I think that's exactly how it got serious, really.

I don't get it, I know the Prof has a sense of humor, he shows as much when we play Xbox, so I don't know why this was taken so far.

And I guess how he feels its disrespectful to those who gave their life, but I mean most humor has some basis in tragedy.

Anyhow, I say we make GT t-shirts, then profit!

Teuthida · 05-31-2009, 06:32 PM

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Anyhow, I say we make GT t-shirts, then profit!

What would go on a GT shirt? The three P's? Politics, Penises, and Platypuses?

Professor S · 05-31-2009, 07:40 PM

I find the reaction to my last post hilarious, quite honestly. All I did was basically make a similar "joke" on the same terms that Ric did, and somehow I'm the asshole and he was simply being humorous.

So why is it so acceptable to make jokes about WW2 at the expense of Americans, and not Europeans? Is that joke only funny when no one calls out the fact that it's premise is complete rubbish and offensive to Americans, especially those whose grandfathers carried scars from their service? And to make it two days after Memorial day? I really don't care if it's an old joke in Europe, it's then just an old, offensive joke.

And BTW, in case anyone couldn't tell, my last post about Europeans in WW2 was not a reflection of my true feelings (I stated them earlier), but me making what I thought was an obvious point about the absurdity of the entire premise of Ric's silly argument. Apparently not...

Typhoid · 05-31-2009, 07:43 PM

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I find the reaction to my last post hilarious, quite honestly. All I did was basically make a similar "joke" on the same terms that Ric did, and somehow I'm the asshole and he was simply being humorous.

If you can't see this, then I'm ashamed for you.

The difference is Ric's was a joke. A common joke, especially in Great Britian. My brother-in-law is British. I have heard said jokes.

However, what you said, was out of spite - to mock his joke and try shove history in his face while insulting him as much as possible, while planning to back it up with a "What, it was just a joke" mentality. Even though it was clearly to A) get a rise, B) be a general asshole and/or C) You actually think that.

Professor S · 05-31-2009, 07:51 PM

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If you can't see this, then I'm ashamed for you.

Once again, my comment was to make a point. A "joke" is a matter of perspective. Maybe Europeans find it hilarious, but I'm sure my late grandfather wouldn't, considering he carried a scar from his time in Europe until the day he died. He never talked about it either, and would get eerily silent any time WW2 was brought up.

So sure, your joke is just fine. I guess it's ok to diminish those who died for you two days after the holiday that is meant to remember them in the states.

Excuse me if I don't find that joke funny, and Europeans who do should be ashamed of themselves.

Typhoid · 05-31-2009, 07:56 PM

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Once again, my comment was to make a point. A "joke" is a matter of perspective. Maybe Europeans find it hilarious, but I'm sure my late grandfather wouldn't, considering he carried a scar from his time in Europe until the day he died. He never talked about it either, and would get eerily silent any time WW2 was brought up.

So sure, your joke is just fine. I guess it's ok to diminish those who died for you two days after the holiday that is meant to remember them in the states.

Excuse me if I don't find that joke funny, and Europeans who do should be ashamed of themselves.

My joke?
When the hell did I post a joke.
Pick your words properly.

And yes, it's a matter of perspective.
Since you know it's all perspective, is there any reason to raise a giant stink over the internet about it?
This entire thread is accomplishing what?
Without posting around what I'm asking, just riddle me this:
What are your brash comments accomplishing?

It's like a guy yelling at his TV during a football game. The game will carry on with no account of what he says or doesnt say, yet he still keeps yelling at the TV.

Professor S · 05-31-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

My joke?
When the hell did I post a joke.
Pick your words properly.

And yes, it's a matter of perspective.
Since you know it's all perspective, is there any reason to raise a giant stink over the internet about it?
This entire thread is accomplishing what?
Without posting around what I'm asking, just riddle me this:
What are your brash comments accomplishing?

Well if you want to quibble over small points, then it's the "joke you're defending" and not "your" joke. Better now?

Hopefully I'm letting people here know that certain jokes should't be told in "mixed" company, and to think about how they would feel if the show was on the other foot and similar comments were made at their country/family/cultural region's expense.

Overall, this entire argument could have been avoided with a reasonable acknowledgment that maybe the "joke" shouldn't have been told in the first place, especially so soon after the holiday.

Typhoid · 05-31-2009, 08:08 PM

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Well if you want to quibble over small points, then it's the "joke you're defending" and not "your" joke. Better now?

Much.

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Hopefully I'm letting people here know that certain jokes should't be told in "mixed" company, and to think about how they would feel if the show was on the other foot and similar comments were made at their country/family/cultural region's expense.

So then we can't post any Canadian, American, European, Female, Male, White, Black, Straight, or Gay jokes?

Hey, did you hear about the dirty horse?

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Overall, this entire argument could have been avoided with a reasonable acknowledgment that maybe the "joke" shouldn't have been told in the first place, especially so soon after the holiday.

I don't think any of that has anything to do with it.
It's a holiday for you.
He's not in your country. I didn't even know there was a U.S. holiday now.
Americans know, sure. But other than that, why would anyone else know? Especially overseas.

If jokes constantly have to be reviewed, and looked at because they might insult someone, they stop being jokes. The best thing about a joke, is that it's just a joke. If you do it purposely to prove a point - as you did - and post something of same or greater insulting value, then it's not a joke, because you didn't mean it to be funny. You meant it for another purpose.

Personally, you're just being really oversensative.

Professor S · 05-31-2009, 08:15 PM

Maybe I am oversensitive to this point, bit the joke is still rude and based an incorrect premise. While my reaction may be exaggerated, that doesn't mean the joke wasn't offensive.

And in the end, thats all I was really trying to point out, but no one wanted to acknowledge the obvious.

Typhoid · 05-31-2009, 08:17 PM

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Maybe I am oversensitive to this point, bit the joke is still rude and based an incorrect premise. While my reaction may be exaggerated, that doesn't mean the joke wasn't offensive.

And in the end, thats all I was really trying to point out, but no one wanted to acknowledge the obvious.

All the best jokes are relatively offensive.
The reason they immediately lose all the offensiveness is because they're jokes.
They're said in jest, not in harm.
And that's where the difference lies.

It doesn't matter how you perceive the joke. If you took it in a bad light, then I guess the best way to say it is - "sucks for you". Jokes a joke.

This thread needs to be closed.

Professor S · 05-31-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

All the best jokes are relatively offensive.
The reason they immediately lose all the offensiveness is because they're jokes.
They're said in jest, not in harm.
And that's where the difference lies.

It doesn't matter how you perceive the joke. If you took it in a bad light, then I guess the best way to say it is - "sucks for you". Jokes a joke.

This thread needs to be closed.

By the logic you've expressed here, a racist joke wouldn't be offensive because it was intended as joke. That makes no sense at all.

Typhoid · 05-31-2009, 08:34 PM

I stick by my "a joke is a joke".

That's not saying you can't take something harmless and turn it terrible.
Racist jokes are funny. They're terrible most of the time, but that's mostly why they're funny. They play off of completely un-true stereotypes.

When someone uses a racist joke as an insult, or in an insulting way, then yes - you're correct, it would be deemed racist.

But that's beside the point.