GameTavern's Election '04 Coverage - Page 7

Vampyr · 11-03-2004, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Neo

They don't know any better. I also suspect, however, that calling terrorism the primary issue was a smoke screen to hide their true reasons for voting which were based on fear and misunderstanding.

Don't lose faith, Bush's election is a temporary setback. The democrats will live to fight another day.

It's hard for me no to lose faith. The Democrats lost even more ground in this election. We keep a republican president, and he is going to get the opportunity to elect 3 or 4 more conservative republican Justices to the supreme court, and I think there are even more Republicans in the house and senate than there were before the election.

We are in a bad spot right now. Hopefully the democrats can pull off something spectacular in the coming elections.

And I understand what you are saying Game...I just feel that religion doesnt have a place in our laws and government. Government governs society, religion should govern your life, if you are a religious person at all.

Neo · 11-03-2004, 10:09 PM

Kerry wasn't for gay marriage. He thinks marriage is between a man and a woman. He just didn't think the Constitution needed to be amended for that purpose. He was considering civil unions.

Dylflon · 11-03-2004, 11:58 PM

I don't understand why peopel are so against gay marriage or gay people in general in the first place. What exactly is it about what they're doing that is so wrong?

And hell, they're people too. Don't they deserve the same rights we enjoy.

I think it's only closed minded people that gay bash. And it truly makes me sad to see so much intolerence and hatred. I judge someone on whether or not they're a good person, not who the have sex with or marry.

The Germanator · 11-04-2004, 01:54 AM

Just so you know...

POLICY TOWARD SAME-SEX COUPLES

Legally Marry (25%)
Civil Unions (35%)
No Legal Recognition (37%)

These are the percentages of everyone that voted on Tuesday. And while only a quarter think that Gays should be married, it is at least somewhat encouraging that about 60% want some kind of legal recognition. It isn't 100% as it should be, but it's honestly not as bad as I thought...

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pag.../epolls.0.html

Acebot44 · 11-04-2004, 02:03 AM

Gay relations shouldnt be a problem, but meh, whatever.

Check this out. Try to save the pic of Bush and Wife to see what the file name is

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And

Jonbo298 · 11-04-2004, 02:09 AM

I was hoping for a Kerry win but I'm gonna deal with 4 more years of job loss and Bush even taking our deficit deeper for stupid ass reasons. It's becoming hell in the Government because now Republicans control/have a majority in the Senate, Congress, and the White House. Kind of eery/scary.

But as for people against gay marriage. They can go to hell and burn for all I care. Gays/Lesbians are no different then us. I call this issue the new form of racism. It's not by definition racism but I look at it as that. Who gives a **** about moral issues on this. They should have the same rights as everyone else. Attempt to disagree with me and I'll be back in this thread, rest assuredly.

Canyarion · 11-04-2004, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Acebot44

Check this out. Try to save the pic of Bush and Wife to see what the file name is

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUWAHAAHAHA!! And that's on CNN?

jeepnut · 11-04-2004, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonbo298

I was hoping for a Kerry win but I'm gonna deal with 4 more years of job loss and Bush even taking our deficit deeper for stupid ass reasons. It's becoming hell in the Government because now Republicans control/have a majority in the Senate, Congress, and the White House. Kind of eery/scary.

But as for people against gay marriage. They can go to hell and burn for all I care. Gays/Lesbians are no different then us. I call this issue the new form of racism. It's not by definition racism but I look at it as that. Who gives a **** about moral issues on this. They should have the same rights as everyone else. Attempt to disagree with me and I'll be back in this thread, rest assuredly.

*disagrees*

What can I say? I'm curious.

Blackmane · 11-04-2004, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

Now that the election is over, will Neo and Blackmane be returning to their respective Fortresses of Solitude? It was sure nice to have you guys posting here again even if most of it was in here.

Lol, who knows? I think I will stick around, although the most fun I have had on these forums is debating these politics or, before I got a little educated, watching the debates. But no, I should be around.

Canyarion · 11-04-2004, 10:42 AM

I think homosexuality is a matter of religion, so the government should allow it, but religion should pay more attention to it.

I'm against same sex marriages, but not more than being against adultery or lying..

Neo · 11-04-2004, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Vampyr

It's hard for me no to lose faith. The Democrats lost even more ground in this election. We keep a republican president, and he is going to get the opportunity to elect 3 or 4 more conservative republican Justices to the supreme court, and I think there are even more Republicans in the house and senate than there were before the election.

We are in a bad spot right now. Hopefully the democrats can pull off something spectacular in the coming elections.

A cornered animal is the most dangerous kind. This forced re-evaluation within the democratic party will do wonders for them. They need to learn to be strong again and not give the appearance of weakness. Their desire to foster good will abroad is admirable and probably the best thing for us, but the American people don't want to hear that **** when they're pissed off at terrorists. Democrats also have to tap in to the religious base. The far left may feel slighted but they'll soon realize they have no choice. This may cause the Naders and Badnariks to get more votes but it shouldn't be too significant.

I believe senator Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas would be an excellent candidate. She has a history of appealing to the moderate base and she represents the south. Plus her last name "Lincoln" creates a subtle association with the previous Lincoln. That may sound stupid but it's how the human mind works.

Professor S · 11-04-2004, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonbo298

But as for people against gay marriage. They can go to hell and burn for all I care. Gays/Lesbians are no different then us. I call this issue the new form of racism. It's not by definition racism but I look at it as that. Who gives a **** about moral issues on this. They should have the same rights as everyone else. Attempt to disagree with me and I'll be back in this thread, rest assuredly.

I'm for gay marriage, but just calling those that are against it stupid or saying they can burn in hell isn't going to help the left's cause. In fact, its the push to the left on social issues that led to Bush getting the lead that he did.

Gay marriage along with other social issues are extremely important to those in the bible belt, as is reflected in the way that the gay marriage referendums were SOUNDLY defeated, often by an 80% majority.

These are people that the democratic party must work with if they want to succeed. There is no if ands or buts about it. If you ignore them or rankle them you will lose... every time.

Crono · 11-04-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylflon

I don't understand why peopel are so against gay marriage or gay people in general in the first place. What exactly is it about what they're doing that is so wrong?

And hell, they're people too. Don't they deserve the same rights we enjoy.

I think it's only closed minded people that gay bash. And it truly makes me sad to see so much intolerence and hatred. I judge someone on whether or not they're a good person, not who the have sex with or marry.

I don't really care if gay marriage is legalized or not. But, I'm sorry, I just couldn't stand seeing two men kiss in public (two women would be ok... but I would be seriously upset to see two guys). As long as they do what they want to do (kiss, hold hands in public... whatever) when I'm not around, then I don't really care.

Jonbo298 · 11-04-2004, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jeepnut

*disagrees*

What can I say? I'm curious.

Yeah....not a valid enough argument for me to say anything else.

And Strangler. I know its not good to say they can burn in hell. But thats just my feeling towards it. Gays/Lesbians are no different then us then in their sexual preference.

Professor S · 11-04-2004, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonbo298

And Strangler. I know its not good to say they can burn in hell. But thats just my feeling towards it. Gays/Lesbians are no different then us then in their sexual preference.

I'm not saying they are different. I'm not saying I agree with the fact that most people in the bible belt are hotly aganst gay marriage. What I'm saying is that those people VOTE. If you don't open the lines of communication with them or attempt comprimise with them, you'll lose every election.

They're not going away, but the democratic seats in Congress might be if they don't start coming back to the middle and recognizing some of these social/moral issues.