The Passion of Jesus Christ - Page 5

Blackmane · 02-02-2004, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Koopa

the fact that its about jesus has little to do with jewish reactions to the movie. does anyone btich about Jesus Christ, Superstar, the musical by andrew lloyd webber? not much, because hey, its not anti-semetic, it doesn't depict a satan-like character hangin out with the jews, and i don't think it has a jew smacking jesus in the face.

again, this movie is not according to the mainstream interpretation of the bible, just a fringe extremist group that ignores the decisions of the Vatican, and that mel gibson and his father subscribe to.

by the way, gibson's father has publicly denied that the holocaust occurred.

You say that The Passion of the Christ doesn't depict what actually happens in the Bible, but I would have to say it is a lot closer to reality than something like Jesus Christ, Superstar with Jesus breaking into Broadway singing every 10 minutes. Face the reality, Jesus was very controversial and near the end of his life, he was not the most liked person around.

You say all these things in the movie symbolize anti-semetic attitudes from Mel Gibson, yet you have not seen the movie, and you have completely ignored sources that say the movie does not have anti-semetic messages. You are believing your bias sources without looking at the other side of the fence. I have to wait and see and make my own opinion as to whether it was overly negative towards Jews or not. I suggest you do the same.

BTW- as Canyarion said, The Vatican doesn't decide what is allowed in movies, so that point is meaningless. And going back to biblical accuracy, it was the Romans who arrested Jesus and put him to trial, but it was the Jews who condemned him to die on the cross. In fact, Pilate tried to get him off free, but the people chose a filthy murderer over Jesus.

rottwylor · 02-02-2004, 02:45 PM

gosh... if the bible wasn't a hoax, I'd actually care if this movie was accurately made or not.

=)

Professor S · 02-02-2004, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rottwylor

gosh... if the bible wasn't a hoax, I'd actually care if this movie was accurately made or not.

=)

You should have interest whether you believe in it or not. Christianity is a major force in the world, larger than the United States or any other nation. Understanding it better will help in understanding the world better.

rottwylor · 02-02-2004, 06:05 PM

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You should have interest whether you believe in it or not. Christianity is a major force in the world, larger than the United States or any other nation. Understanding it better will help in understanding the world better.

I think it's a statement true of any and all religions.

In regards to a hollywood film made by Mel Gibson....eh... I'll pass, lol

Koopa · 02-02-2004, 06:22 PM

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Koopa, you've condemned this movie before even seeing it. All accounts by those that have SEEN it, say that it is not anti-semetic in the least. Lets see how it turns out before flipping out.

false. as i said before, ADL representatives saw it and condemned it as being anti-semetic, saying its depictions of jews were,"painful to watch". In fact, most of the controversy comes from people who saw it. Seeing as its impossible for ME to see it, i'll base my conclusions on what others who HAVE seen it have said. If, when it comes out, more people say its fine, then i'll check it out and judge it for myself.

bottom line: based on Gibson's beliefs and the beliefs of his father, plus the information gathered by the ADL, and from what i have heard personally, i'm making the assumption that it is a biased, untrue, ultra extremist view of events that was abandoned by the Church years ago.

rottwylor · 02-02-2004, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Koopa

bottom line: based on Gibson's beliefs and the beliefs of his father, plus the information gathered by the ADL, and from what i have heard personally, i'm making the assumption that it is a biased, untrue, ultra extremist view of events that was abandoned by the Church years ago.

I agree... plus... MEL GIBSON??? C'mon... Mr.Lethal Weapon needs to pack it up and get out of the religious movie genre

Professor S · 02-03-2004, 10:17 AM

Oh, I'm sorry... every but the ADL said its not anti-semetic. My bad

rottwylor · 02-03-2004, 11:27 AM

This thread is making me want to see the movie less and less... which is pretty odd since I had no desired to see it in the first place. =\ Besides, don't you all know that movies are rarely (if ever) as good as the book?

Blackmane · 02-03-2004, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rottwylor

This thread is making me want to see the movie less and less... which is pretty odd since I had no desired to see it in the first place. =\ Besides, don't you all know that movies are rarely (if ever) as good as the book?

Yeah, what he said.

Read the Bible!!

Crash · 02-03-2004, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rottwylor

This thread is making me want to see the movie less and less... which is pretty odd since I had no desired to see it in the first place. =\ Besides, don't you all know that movies are rarely (if ever) as good as the book?

pffffff.... ha ha ha....that was funny

but forrest gump was was better as a movie than as a book....

rottwylor · 02-03-2004, 09:03 PM

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pffffff.... ha ha ha....that was funny

but forrest gump was was better as a movie than as a book....

...hmpf... I'll give you that one...

fingersman · 02-03-2004, 10:48 PM

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Here's the problem with the movie from what I've heard.

First of all, it was ONE jew who betrayed jesus, one of his apostles.

I don't see a prob there, Judas betrayed Jesus.

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secondly, it was the ROMANS who killed jesus, not the jews

Well again I don't see the problem there, the Jews did want to kill Jesus but it's the Roman soldiers that actually carried out the execution

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thirdly, only one out of the multiple gospels blames the jews for the death of jesus. in the 60's or 70s the Vatican 2 renounced its policy of blaming the jews for jesus' death. mel gibson's extremist point of view ignores this step forward and continues to blame jews.

from what i've heard, the movie has jews spitting on jesus, and has one jew actually punch him in the face.

Well I wouldn't really say Mel Gibson is blaming anyone (atleast I would hope not) but no one can deny that the Jews played a major part Jesus's death, this is a fact.

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fifthly, apparently gibson associates some sickly, evil looking character symbolizing satan with the jews throught the movie.

Well again I don't have a problem with this either, I don't know if you ever read the new testament, you'd would realise that the leaders of the religion laws and pratice were very ungodly, and if your not of God then obviously............

I don't know if you read your Bible or not but read the first 5 books in the new testament and then make your own judgement based on what you read and let that be the determinant of if you watch the movie or not.

Canyarion · 02-04-2004, 08:49 AM

+rep.

Koopa · 02-04-2004, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fingersman

I don't see a prob there, Judas betrayed Jesus.

yes..the problem is that gibson is carrying this guilt to the jewish people

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Well again I don't see the problem there, the Jews did want to kill Jesus but it's the Roman soldiers that actually carried out the execution

according to one of the gospels. as far as i know, the rest of the jews thought he was just some new-agey teacher. but admittedly i haven't studied the story as much as i should have.

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Well I wouldn't really say Mel Gibson is blaming anyone (atleast I would hope not) but no one can deny that the Jews played a major part Jesus's death, this is a fact.

i think showing the jews spitting on jesus, havin the jews throwing stuff at jesus, and having a jew smack jesus gives a pretty clear intention of where mr. gibson intends to place the blame

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Well again I don't have a problem with this either, I don't know if you ever read the new testament, you'd would realise that the leaders of the religion laws and pratice were very ungodly, and if your not of God then obviously............

from what i've heard, apparently this "guy" isnt a jew...
the only thing i know about "ungodly" practices is alot of stuff about sacrifices. i think often a calf's blood would be sprinkled on worshippers, and wierd stuff like that.

on a cool side note...on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, the High Cohen (preist) would enter the Holy of Holies where the tablet with the ten commandents were contained in the Temple before it was destroyed...and he would pronounce the true name of god, whatever that may be...

a story i heard is that the lesser preists would tie a rope around the high priest's ankle, so that, if god struck him down in the holy of holies, they wouldn't have to go in there to get him out, they'd just pull the rope

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I don't know if you read your Bible or not but read the first 5 books in the new testament and then make your own judgement based on what you read and let that be the determinant of if you watch the movie or not.

unfortunaltely, i have not read teh new testament, although i've read and studied a lot of the tanach.

again. i will repeat for those that haven't understood this yet. i haven't seen the movie. i am basin my judgements on reports made by an organization made to combat racism, my own personal knowledge, and knowledge that i've read from various sources. judging from this, i can safely bet that this will be an unfair, extremist view of the events leading up to jesus' death. if they weren't, i'm relatively sure that they would be the mainstream views of the Church. however, they are NOT the views of the church. i think the vatican decided to abandon this biased view of jesus' death for a reason

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Oh, I'm sorry... every but the ADL said its not anti-semetic. My bad

your mean-spirited sarcasm is unnecessary

here's a quick counterpoint
http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movi...ion/index.html

http://www.ncsj.org/AuxPages/061303J..._Passion.shtml

we could sit here and post links about who says what all day, thats not the point.

don't get me wrong, i dont think gibson is being malicious, and i admire his faith...however, regardless of whether i agree or disagree with a belief, im afraid this movie could inflame the antisemitic minority.

DeathsHand · 02-04-2004, 06:34 PM

I figure I'll weigh in on this topic... I skimmed over the last page of the discussion and this is what I made of it...

Jew = Booo to this movie!
Other people = Lighten up...

So let me ask this question:
How many NON-jews do you have in YOUR cabinet, Koopa?

I'd rather just be all sarcastic and stuff than get involved in another religious debate...