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[Joeiss]

OK gekko.


And did you guys see the briefing today? There was some combat in Afganistan. No US soldiers died, and they captured a Taliban guy too.

[gekko]

That was actually yesterday

[Professor S]

Originally posted by Joeiss
OK gekko.


And did you guys see the briefing today? There was some combat in Afganistan. No US soldiers died, and they captured a Taliban guy too.

So are you saying that report was propoganda or something? I'm not accusing you, I'm just not sure what you're getting at.

[Rndm_Perfection]

Originally posted by Joeiss
OK gekko.


And did you guys see the briefing today? There was some combat in Afganistan. No US soldiers died, and they captured a Taliban guy too.

That was mentioned, eh? *thinks* There truly must not be much going on there, if that's the best the media could dig up for ratings.

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by The Strangler
So are you saying that report was propoganda or something? I'm not accusing you, I'm just not sure what you're getting at.

LOL. No man, I just thought that was new news, and you guys are talking about war and stuff, so I said it. LOL./



AND IT IS PROPOGANDA!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!

[Professor S]

LOL! Ok, I just wanted to make sure. If that was propoganda, its the worst I've ever seen. I mean, at least the Daily Babel talks about "rivers of blood" and such. NOW THATS SOME GOOD PROPOGANDA!

[gekko]

Originally posted by Rndm_Perfection
That was mentioned, eh? *thinks* There truly must not be much going on there, if that's the best the media could dig up for ratings.

It's the biggest battle since Operation Anaconda last spring.

[Almansurah]

Many things are happening in Afghanistan....things which dont get discussed openly in the media here.

Infact, there was a Black down which 'fell down' due to mechanical reasons stated on CNN on the 30th, a day before this, islamic news stated a helicopter was down....and this came out.

Its an amazing wonder how, after USA invaded Afghanistan, all of a sudden the rate of aircraft crashes due to reasons like weather conditions, or malfunctioining equipment, huan error, all of a sudden the rate has skyrocketed and gone high.

What happened? Did all the US Army engineers and maintenance crews go on vacation or what?

[gekko]

Originally posted by Almansurah
What happened? Did all the US Army engineers and maintenance crews go on vacation or what?

The beauty of unintelligence.

To continue out Iraq topic. Iraq now threatens to use suicide bombers in the US if we attack.

Iraq threatens U.S. with 'suicide attackers'

Iraqi vice president predicts 'a fire in the whole region'

BERLIN, Germany (CNN) -- Iraqi Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan told a German newsmagazine published Saturday that Iraq is prepared to deploy "thousands of suicide attackers" against the United States if Iraq is bombed.

That report came one day after President Bush said a new United Nations Security Council resolution authorizing war would be welcome, but not necessary if Iraq fails to prove it has disarmed itself of weapons of mass destruction. He also said the issue needs to be solved in "weeks, not months."

In an interview published Saturday on the Web site of Der Spiegel, Ramadan was asked how long Iraq would be able "to fight the biggest military machine in the world."

"As long as it takes," he responded, "but why don't you ask the other side how long they will be able to endure. We will be happy when they start their air bombardments against our ground troops. They will meet hard resistance everywhere.

"We don't have long-distance missiles or many bombers, but we will deploy thousands of suicide attackers ... the martyrs," Ramadan said. "... Those are our new weapons and they will not only be deployed within Iraq.

"The Arab people will stand by the people of Iraq in the fight for its independence and freedom. This will be a fire in the whole region."

On Friday, Bush addressed the threat of attacks against the United States after meeting with British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

Bush said the attacks of September 11, 2001 showed that containment of terrorism was not an appropriate policy "because we now recognize that oceans no longer protect us; that we're vulnerable to attack.

"And the worst form of attack could come through somebody acquiring weapons of mass destruction and using them on the American people [or] on our friends in Great Britain."

Bush said U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell will present evidence to the Security Council on Wednesday that the Iraqi regime has ties to al Qaeda.

"Saddam Hussein would like nothing more than to use a terrorist network to attack and to kill and leave no fingerprints behind," Bush said.

Before the meeting with Bush, Blair told CNN that he supported a second U.N. resolution before launching military action. Bush said he would agree if it would put additional pressure on Iraq.

"It would be welcomed if it is yet another signal that we are intent upon disarming Saddam Hussein," Bush said.

The Bush administration is debating how much intelligence from electronic intercepts the secretary of state should disclose Wednesday when he tries to convince the Security Council that Iraq is not complying with disarmament resolutions.

U.S. officials had said previously that Powell was to present such information. The debate centers on how to reveal enough information to make the U.S. case while still protecting methods and sources of intelligence.

Only a terrorist nation would threaten to use terrorism against another country. And we found the checks Iraq wrote to Suicide Bombers in Palestine.

Best way to get rid of our nuclear weapons? Use them on Iraq!

[Bond]

I'm kind of wondering why Mr. Almansurah lives in the UK, rather than other countries such as Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia that he seems so connected to. Maybe it has something to do with how they treat their citizens? Their form of government? Your rights in those countries? Just food for thought...

[gekko]

?Inside? details about Iraq

by Gordon Thomas
globe-intel.net

Saddam's senior bodyguard has fled from Iraq with details of Saddam's secret arsenal. His revelations come the day the UN inspectors report to the Security Council whether they have found a smoking gun that will trigger war. Abu Hamdi Mahmoud has provided a list of sites that so far the UN inspectors have not visited.

They include:

An underground chemical weapons facility at the southern end of the Jadray Peninsula in Baghdad.

A Scud assembly area near Ramadi. The missiles come from North Korea.

Two underground bunkers in Iraq's Western desert. These contain bio weapons.

William Tierney, a former UN weapons inspector who has continued to gather information on Saddam's arsenal, described Mahmoud's information as "the smoking gun. Once the inspectors go to where Mahmoud has pointed them, then it's all over for Saddam".

Tierney still has high level contacts in Washington that reach into the White House. He said that the information we publish today on Mahmoud's revelations "checks out, absolutely checks out".

Tierney believes it is "inevitable" that we will go to war. Globe-Intel has independently obtained documents smuggled out of Iraq which show he goes have weapons of mass destruction that have eluded discovery by UN inspectors.

The weapons include motorized underwater mines capable of creeping along the sea bed and then surfacing beneath a battleship or carrier. Each mine is filled with chemicals that upon explosion can envelop the ship in a deadly cloud of poison. The documents show that the mines and other weapons of mass destruction have been secretly developed at sites the UN inspectors have also not visited.

These are:

Al-Qaqa's State Establishment. Sixty miles south of Baghdad, it has produced what the documents describe as "self-detonating precise guided missiles". Near State Establishment. It is on the western side of the Baghdad-Mosul road. It has produced "artillery rounds and other machined metal parts" for the mines. The mines have been m achine-finished at Hateen State Establishment, to the north of Baghdad. In the past weeks, they have been moved to Basra - ready to be launched against the naval armada assembling in the Gulf.

One document reveals:

"The mines use a special camera to distinguish the target above it. The mines then stop under the target. Once in place they produce chemical materials which generates huge amounts of oxygen that guides the mine to the surface. When the amount of oxygen reaches a specific level, the pressure of the oxygen triggers the detonator which results in a tremendous explosion".

The documents reveal that test firings of the mine were carried out on Lake Tharthar on June 5 last year. The tests are described as "completely successful". Mahmoud's revelations have also enabled both George Bush and Tony Blair to take an even stronger stand against antiwar protesters when they meet in Washington this week.

Mahmoud was a member of the elitist unit charged with protecting Saddam. It is called the Murasiq Qun - the "Inner Circle". He was known as "The Gatekeeper". Mahmoud is the muscular Saddam lookalike who is always photographed standing either behind Saddam when he is seated - or to his left when on the move. He was trained to spot the slightest threat to Saddam. To deal with it, he had a throwing knife up his right sleeve.

"In any threat my first job was to throw myself over Saddam to protect his body and then use my knife", he has told his Mossad debriefers.

Now he's at the top of Saddam's kill list. But there is no way Saddam's own assassination unit - the Hamaya Khasa - can get to Mahmoud. He is now protected by a team of Israeli agents. For weeks he was in secret negotiation with a Mossad agent in Baghdad. With the promise he could not be charged with any crimes he committed on behalf of Saddam, and he would be given a new identity - including having his appearance changed by surgery - Mahmoud agreed to desert. Last week he was being debriefed in a high security base in Israel's Negev Desert.

Ariel Sharon, the country's hard-line prime minister has so far only allowed snippets of Mahmoud's sensational claims to be shared with the CIA and MI6. But a source close to Sharon says he wants to use the revelations when, as expected, he returns to power after the country's election (tomorrow, Monday). "Sharon intends to shatter the growing anti-war movement. He plans to call all those European leaders who are wavering to let them know how Saddam has continued to fool Hans Blix and his inspectors", said the source.

Mahmoud's revelations include:

Locations of five bunkers buried beneath purposely made sand dunes.

Stockpiled in the bunkers are warheads identical to the empty shell cases found two weeks ago by the UN inspectors. Mahmoud has claimed those shells were on their way to be refilled and stored in the bunkers.

A portion of a transcript from his debriefing includes:

"Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are also concealed in a tunnel complex deep beneath the sewers of Baghdad and in an underground complex in Ouja, to the north of Tikrit. The complex was build five years ago with help from Chinese engineers.

"The actual entrance to the site is through a house in Tikrit. It is the home of one of Saddam's cousins. The entrance is over half a mile from where the weapons are stored". Mahmoud has also provided the first really detailed insights into how Saddam lives and is protected. Mahmoud says since the Gulf War there have been nine assassination attempts on Saddam. The most recent was in February last year.

(Let's not search houses )

Mahmoud has described how he was selected. "I was on gate duty at one of Saddam's palaces. One night he arrived in a 10-car convoy. I checked all the vehicles and Saddam stepped out of one car and asked why I inspected them all and not just his. I told him I was not sure in which car he was travelling and that it was in his honour that I checked all the cars. He replied, 'from now on you will be at my side all the time'. He also doubled my salary".

Joining the "Inner Circle", Mahmoud found himself in a world far removed from the life of the starving population of Iraq. He received the finest food and had the best weapons. He had access to top level intelligence - so that he could help to plan Saddam's protection.

In another excerpt from his debriefing, Mahmoud boasts: "I was inside the innermost circle where Saddam eats and sleeps. I was among the handful of bodyguards closest to him". The bodyguard has given a rare glimpse of what life is like with Saddam.

"Very few people are allowed close to Saddam. Many of the TV images you see of him were taken years ago. Most people now only speak to him over the phone. He usually calls them. If they have to call him back with information he wants, it is passed through his sons, Quasy or Tariq Aziz.

"All those close to him have codes, which they use to access the outer circle. But even they can only come so close to Saddam before there is a cut-off point - the Inner Circle. Even Tariq Aziz is checked to see if he is carrying weapons. Saddam knows fortunes are being offered to have him assassinated", Mahmoud has revealed.

The most protected of all Saddam's palaces is the Qesser al-Quwwa Sitta'shar in Tikrit - close to his birthplace. Mahmoud has described how the palace has four main entrances - and has the latest Chinese-manufactured surveillance equipment.

"There are sensors and matchbox sized cameras everywhere. There are doors which can only be opened by placing your face on a key pad.

"The palace has a number of escape routes that are outside the palace walls. At each escape point there are cars. A car is always parked at each exit. No one knows what exit Saddam will use. On the way to one he can change his mind and go to another. I have know him change his mind several times over thirty feet.

"Saddam's own living quarters in the palace are a labyrinth of doors. To even enter the private sanctum requires having the separate codes to open four doors. On the reverse side of each door is a monitor which shows the Special Guard on duty who is entering".

Saddam's paranoia has increased after his son, Uday, narrowly escaped assassination. He is now wheelchair bound.

To avoid even his own bodyguards being tempted to kill him, Saddam himself is, according to Mahmoud, a walking arsenal. "He has concealed guns all over his body. He also has panic buttons to press if he even suspects somebody is about to attack him", the former bodyguard has said.

Israeli intelligence sources have hinted that part of the deal with Mahmoud was to smuggle out his family from Iraq. Mossad have done this before. At the start of Saddam's reign of terror they persuaded an Iraqi pilot to fly his Russian Mirage to Israel - after Mossad had spirited his wife and children there.

[manasecret]

Originally posted by gekko
?Inside? details about Iraq

by Gordon Thomas
globe-intel.net

...

Can we trust this source, gekko? Nothing about this has appeared on CNN.com or FoxNews.com.

[Professor S]

Originally posted by Bond
I'm kind of wondering why Mr. Almansurah lives in the UK, rather than other countries such as Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia that he seems so connected to. Maybe it has something to do with how they treat their citizens? Their form of government? Your rights in those countries? Just food for thought...

The impression that I have is that if a nation is run by Islam or those who are Islamic, Almansurah will defend them no matter what their policies. Thats just my impression, though.

[The Duggler]

The Strangler just made me realize something. It's very obvious that I was standing against the US in this thread, but you have to understand that I'm in no way defending Islam or any other country (Irak) I'm neutral. I'm just against the way the US is trying to control (at least economically) the rest of the world.

[gekko]

Originally posted by manasecret
Can we trust this source, gekko? Nothing about this has appeared on CNN.com or FoxNews.com.

It's appeared a couple places today.