Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Jason1

Okay, first off I think I can speak for a lot of people, with my views on these questions. First off, who cares how we get out of Iraq. As long as we DO IT so American dollars and more importantly lives, stop being wasted for nothing. What if the insurgancy increases its rates of attack? Who cares! We'll be gone so it wont really matter. What if the country goes to complete hell after we leave? Who cares, it allready is anyways and us being there dosent seem to be helping.

And as for Nuclear threats, yadda yadda, we are the most powerful nation in the world and thats not going to change with Barack or anyone else in office. These people that are honestly worried about national security are out of their minds. Those people over there are crazy, dont get me wrong, but until they actually threaten us with a real threat, as in bringing their force to other countries or stateside (which will NEVER happen, this isnt WWIII and never will be), we have no business being over there, end of story. Whats really sad about the whole thing is that we stopped Saddam Hussein, who had nothing to do with 9/11, but we still cant find Bin Laden.

I do think your comments do speak for a lot of people, mainly the Democrat leftist base... but don't think that your opinions on these issues are shared by the majority of the country... not by a long shot.

There is no other candidate more hawkish on Iraq than McCain, and both Republicans and Independents support him in this. The nation, while not agreeing wth the way we fought the war for a long time, knows this is something we have to fix for the good of our safety and stability of the world. Pulling out is not an option without Iraq being stable.

If Obama runs of your Iraq platform, he loses by a massive amount of votes. It won't even be close. You have to see that as a reality.

[Neo]

Barring a meltdown of catastrophic proportions, Obama will win both the primary and the general election. He simply cannot be stopped at this point. I believe the polls which say that he has a better shot at beating McCain than Hillary does. Yes, Hillary is more experienced, but guess what? NONE of that matters. The only thing that really matters is how likable a person is. Studies show in a presidential election people vote for someone who is 1) Likable, 2) Trustworthy, 3) A strong leader, and 4) Someone who shares their values. The issues are secondary. The majority of people in this country aren't even capable of truly understanding what the issues are anyway. The other day I heard a guy on the radio said he had wanted to vote for Romney because he is a Mormon and "Mormons take care of people." I shit you not, he actually fucking said that.

Half of this country absolutely hates Hillary Clinton. She has zero chance of uniting this country or growing her base of support. Obama, OTOH, appeals to independents and some conservatives. His best feature is that he does not carry with him all the Clinton baggage.

Obama's speeches may be full of meaningless platitudes, but the truth is that's what works; It gets people emotionally involved which is key. No one gives a shit when you start throwing out numbers and tax percentages left and right.

The majority of people voting for Obama are doing so because he is black, and the majority of the people voting for Clinton are doing so because she is a woman. Not a single one of them would ever admit to this, but it's the truth. 90% of the blacks in Virginia didn't vote for Obama because they magically agree with his policies, they did so because "he's one of them." Even if he's not, really.

[KillerGremlin]

Bush really screwed things up by invading Iraq. For the longest time I thought that we would have to stay in Iraq until their is stability in that region. But there isn't, and there probably won't be. Unless Iraq and the outlying countries because the United States of the Middle East via extreme force or takeover, the region will never be stable. I hate to say it but if the US keeps forcing their policy on other countries then we are no better than the Nazis. The comparison is a far stretch at this point, but for just 4 years I think it would be nice to see what happens to the rest of the world if the United States takes a step back. I don't think Iraq will be the next Vietnam. However, I support Obama's gradual withdrawal of troops from the region. If we slowly start to leave maybe they will start to get their stuff together. If they don't, then we can take it from there.