What religion are you?

[Blade Runner]

Eh, Typhoid, are you saying the God that created the universe we live in and the science you keep referring to can't produce an immaculate conception?

BTW, I think I remember reading somewhere that the reason it had to be immaculate was because Jesus needed to be perfect. Men are sinners by nature therefore Jesus couldn't come from the seed of man.

EDIT: What religions say dinosaurs never existed??

[Canyarion]

It's The Dúnadan!!!! Nice to see you!

Off topic: I'm the only 'old' Tolkien fan left here!

Do you really think people would have bought it when they saw that those writers exaggerated the stories about Jesus?? What's told in the bible, really happened there. And what about all the prophecies about him??
It's not easy to deny that Jesus was the promised messiah..

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Canyarion

It's The Dúnadan!!!! Nice to see you!

Off topic: I'm the only 'old' Tolkien fan left here!

Do you really think people would have bought it when they saw that those writers exaggerated the stories about Jesus?? What's told in the bible, really happened there. And what about all the prophecies about him??
It's not easy to deny that Jesus was the promised messiah..

The Bible was not written at the time of Jesus. The stories could have been and probably were changed throughout the decades. I dont think it was written until about 60 years after his death, even more in some parts of the Bible.

[Canyarion]

So? More reason for people to be critical, methinks.
And besides, I don't think that's true.
Only Luke (or Mark?) wrote his book quite some time later. Joan and Matthew wrote it pretty soon, as I remember it.
The Revelation was the last biblebook to be written, Joan wrote it, so it couldn't have been that much later. 60 years MAX.

And you forgot the prophecies part.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Blade Runner

Eh, Typhoid, are you saying the God that created the universe we live in and the science you keep referring to can't produce an immaculate conception?

BTW, I think I remember reading somewhere that the reason it had to be immaculate was because Jesus needed to be perfect. Men are sinners by nature therefore Jesus couldn't come from the seed of man.

EDIT: What religions say dinosaurs never existed??

Im not saying God created the universe. Where did I say i beleive in any god?

And the faith that says Dinosaurs never exist is Evangelist. Me and Keriann had many an argument over it.

Originally Posted by mickydaniels

How many immaculate conceptions?
ZERO.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by The Strangler

Therefore, to a person of faith, your arguements are downright silly and have little to do with anything.

And to me, a scientific person, religious arguments are silly and have little to do with anything.

Its all perception Strangler, and you like to constantly single me out other than the other side.
You forgot to mention that to a scientific person, religion is silly, but of course, you again, in so many words, say my points arnt valid.

But + reps for this time not saying its because im canadian.

[Seth]

That's crazy how Angrist says Joan for John. Sweet.

[TheGame]

*cough* I could make a long ass post, but I'm not in the mood... Typhoid, mickey pretty much killed your arguement. I don't know why you just said "Exactly."

Just because a miricle happens once, it doesn't mean it has to happen again ever.

As for your faith in science... I just find it to be a bit more likely that somone created us than any other explanation I have heard.

"Translation: No sperm is needed, as he's FRIGGIN' GOD. If you can create the universe in seven days, you can knock up a chick without banging her."

Hehe, that was funny

[Canyarion]

Originally Posted by bouncer

That's crazy how Angrist says Joan for John. Sweet.

Ah ok! In Dutch it's Johannes. And Matheüs, Lukas, Markus.

[The Duggler]

Originally Posted by TheGame

As for your faith in science...

It's funny how religious people use the term faith when referring to science. We believe in what science has to offer. We don't blindly think it's the truth, we base our judgement on experiences and proofs. And since we deduct it's the most reasonnable explaination, the closest thing to the truth, then we go with it.

It's probably not right on, but it sure seems a lot more logical than anything any religions can come up with.

[Crash]

well, couple things... revalations was not the last book in the bible to be written, it just happens to be last in the bible. yes, the books of the new testament were not written until some 60-80 years after the events actually happened. The stories were passed down the generations by word of mouth, so some stuff had to have been outta proportion and exaggerated.

[Canyarion]

No no I'm sure there are enough proofs that Mathew and John wrote their own books... they were THERE with Jesus all the time.

And you STILL haven't explained the prophecies.

[Kitana85]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

You're arguing science against faith. Faith defies science, so there is no point in arguing between the two. You're arguing about sperm, which is a pretty mundane subject when faith tells you that the ethereal being GOD came down and conceived a child on Earth with a mortal woman. Translation: No sperm is needed, as he's FRIGGIN' GOD. If you can create the universe in seven days, you can knock up a chick without banging her.

Therefore, to a person of faith, your arguements are downright silly and have little to do with anything.

That, and the Immaulate Conception was the birth of MARY not the birth of Jesus. The Immaculate Conception is the idea thought of my bored theologans that says that because Christ Jesus was without sin his mother must not carry original sin. The (the Immaculate Conception) is clearly not the same as the Virgin birth.

People can say they are taking it literally, but they can't be, because 1. this isn't the same bible that was written oh so many thousands of years ago, 2. Its impossible to talk about a story and not interpret... that's exactly what interpretaiton means-reading a story and figuring out what it means

[Joeiss]

About dinosaur fossils:

Most people don't realize that in terms of numbers of fossils 95% of the fossil record consists of shallow marine organisms such as corals and shellfish. Within the remaining 5%, 95% are all the algae and plant/tree fossils, including the vegetation that now makes up the trillions of tonnes of coal, and all the other invertebrate fossils including the insects. Thus the vertebrates (fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals) together make up very little of the fossil record -- in fact, 5% of 5%, which is a mere 0.25% of the entire fossil record. So comparatively speaking there are very, very few amphibian, reptile, bird and mammal fossils, yet so much is often made of them. For example, the number of dinosaur skeletons in all the world's museums (both public and university) totals only about 2,100. Furthermore, of this 0.25% of the fossil record which is vertebrates, only 1% of that 0.25% (or 0.0025%) are vertebrate fossils that consist of more than a single bone! For example, there's only one Stegosaurus skull that has been found, and many of the horse species are each represented by only one specimen of one tooth!


More fun facts about Dinosaurs and the bible, here!
http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum...rue#Post597754

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Nitram

It's funny how religious people use the term faith when referring to science. We believe in what science has to offer. We don't blindly think it's the truth, we base our judgement on experiences and proofs. And since we deduct it's the most reasonnable explaination, the closest thing to the truth, then we go with it.

If you don't know somthing is the truth, you don't know it is the truth, period. What one calls the "Logical closest thing to the truth" could be completly wrong... you chose to believe its the closest thing to the truth because of your faith in science.

The only thing a person knows for a fact is their own feelings and emotions. After that there is no facts. Its all what you chose to believe. If it isn't a fact, and you believe it without constantly questioning it, you have faith...

In my opinion, "based on judgement on experiences and proofs", I think it is more logical that there is a god. In your opinion, you think that it isn't logical... You can't prove me wrong, nor can you prove you are right. Just like I can't prove you are wrong and can't prove that I am right. The only person that matters in this situation is me though... I have proven to myself that it is right. (And if I told you how chances are you wouldn't believe me.)

[Dylflon]

Originally Posted by TheGame

I have proven to myself that it is right. (And if I told you how chances are you wouldn't believe me.)

I'd like to hear.

Typhoid,why are you getting all bent out of shape? I don't get it.