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[Jonbo298]

Hitler was a threat to the world. Sadaam really wasnt. He supposedly had the weapons, but sadaam wasnt really going after other countries.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

Hitler was a threat to the world. Sadaam really wasnt. He supposedly had the weapons, but sadaam wasnt really going after other countries.

Hitler wasn't considered a threat to the world when he annexed Austria. Hitler wasn't considered a threat to the world when he invaded Poland. It wasn't until Hitler ran over France and had the time to build up his arsenal that he was considered a world threat.

You call it Saddam not being a world threat, I call it learning from history's past mistakes.

[Bond]

Yes, history has proved the policy of appeasement does not work.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

Hitler was a threat to the world. Sadaam really wasnt. He supposedly had the weapons, but sadaam wasnt really going after other countries.

Saddam SUPPOSEDLY had the weapons, while Bush DOES have them.....yet someone who is supposed to have weapons is a bigger threat to the world than someone who might have them.
And "Rogue" Iraqis are still firing on American troops because you bombed the hell out of, and invaded their contry. I dont know about you, but if someone did that to my country id be p*ssed.
Bush thinks he can go into iraq and force the western view of sociatle structure on them. But he cant, they are stuck in their views because thats how they lived for centuries. Put it this way: The Iraquis want to be westernizes about as much as we want to live in Iraq. Just pull the troops out of Iraq, clean up your mess and stop killing innocent people. Too many people die from this.
All Wars are just basically Dick waving contests. Its one of those "Im better than anyone else so im justified to force my opinion on others" mentality.
When it comes down to it, you cant tell people how to live or what to do or how to do it. thats called Communism. And thats what the Americans are doing to Iraq, they are becoming the Communist power.

[GT News]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Saddam SUPPOSEDLY had the weapons, while Bush DOES have them.....yet someone who is supposed to have weapons is a bigger threat to the world than someone who might have them.
And "Rogue" Iraqis are still firing on American troops because you bombed the hell out of, and invaded their contry. I dont know about you, but if someone did that to my country id be p*ssed.
Bush thinks he can go into iraq and force the western view of sociatle structure on them. But he cant, they are stuck in their views because thats how they lived for centuries. Put it this way: The Iraquis want to be westernizes about as much as we want to live in Iraq. Just pull the troops out of Iraq, clean up your mess and stop killing innocent people. Too many people die from this.
All Wars are just basically Dick waving contests. Its one of those "Im better than anyone else so im justified to force my opinion on others" mentality.
When it comes down to it, you cant tell people how to live or what to do or how to do it. thats called Communism. And thats what the Americans are doing to Iraq, they are becoming the Communist power.

What happened to it?
I know someone who is supposed to have weapons is a bigger threat to the world than someone who might have them.I think there might be a few exception.Would you like to know? Oh yeah, we were talking about
you but if someone did that to his or her country id be p*ssed
.I knew he was president, but I never knew he thinks he can go into iraq and force the western view of sociatle structure on them.Umm.
What else can he do?OK I will put it there.What kind of people are you talking about?Too what?I think there are a few exceptions. I think you mean "it's" or "it is" not "its". Really.
one of those Im better than anyone else so im justified to force his or her opinion on others mentality is?That makes a lot of sense to me, now that you explain it.Makes sense to me.What are your goals in life?

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Saddam SUPPOSEDLY had the weapons, while Bush DOES have them.....yet someone who is supposed to have weapons is a bigger threat to the world than someone who might have them.
And "Rogue" Iraqis are still firing on American troops because you bombed the hell out of, and invaded their contry. I dont know about you, but if someone did that to my country id be p*ssed.

Have you honestly paid attention to anything that has gone on during and after the war?

1) We didn't "bomb the hell" out of their country", as I stated as recently as my last post. We strategically targeted military targets and then executed them, leaving 99% of Bagdad still standing. We even left the lights and utilities working for most of the country, but Saddam felt he'd rather sabotage his own city just like he did his oil fields.

2) The majority of rebels that you speak of are NOT IRAQI'S, they are fundamentalist insurgents from Iran and Syria. If you even watch the Daily Show to get your news you would know this.

Bush thinks he can go into iraq and force the western view of sociatle structure on them. But he cant, they are stuck in their views because thats how they lived for centuries. Put it this way: The Iraquis want to be westernizes about as much as we want to live in Iraq.

That statement is not only silly but borders on racist. You are confusing culture with Democracy, which is simply a form of govenment. Bush is not out to convert them to Christianity or make them start wearing Dockers or anything. He just wants to have them actually be FREE and not indescriminantly murdered. If you want to blame anyone for having westernized Iraq, blam SADDAM. He began westernizing his country in the 70's . Also, your saying that they don't want change because of their way of life is just plain stupid and mildly offensive.

Just pull the troops out of Iraq, clean up your mess and stop killing innocent people. Too many people die from this.

Pulling out of Iraq before finishing the job would be the most damaging event that could ever happen to our country and theirs. It would be the biggest victory in the history of fundamentalist terrorism and only make terrorism 10 times worse and it would cause thousands more deaths than we could ever cause in our "mad killing spree" in Iraq. What do you think would happen in Iraq without the US holding it together with no government? Revolution, persecution and untold death.

All Wars are just basically Dick waving contests. Its one of those "Im better than anyone else so im justified to force my opinion on others" mentality.

Oh yeah, I forgot all wars were just silly "dick waving contests"... besides the one that stopped the slaughter of European jews... and the one that freed the slaves... and the one that won my country its freedom... and the one that stopped the genocide of Croatian muslims...

Except for all those you're right, war never brought on anything good

When it comes down to it, you cant tell people how to live or what to do or how to do it. thats called Communism. And thats what the Americans are doing to Iraq, they are becoming the Communist power.

Um... thats called FASCISM, not COMMUNISM, and its nothing like fascism AT ALL. This only goes to show that right now you are speaking about topics that you understand very little about. Grow up, read up, and then come back and argue.

[Dylflon]

Soon The Strangler will merge back into the shadows. But don't be fooled. He isn't gone. He's watching. And whenever there is a political or religous topic on GT, he will once again emerge from the shadows to insult your views, call you a moron and eat your children. Beware.

[Typhoid]

ok, the strangler, if your talking about the daily show with jon stewart as your news source, thts laughable. Because its not a news show, its a comedy show..

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

ok, the strangler, if your talking about the daily show with jon stewart as your news source, thts laughable. Because its not a news show, its a comedy show..

OH... MY... DEAR... LORD...

Just stop talking. Its not helping you out at all.

Dyflon - Rest assured, I ain't going nowhere.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

OH... MY... DEAR... LORD...

Just stop talking. Its not helping you out at all.

Dyflon - Rest assured, I ain't going nowhere.

What so are you saying that The daily show with Jon Stewert is a valid news show up with hte ranks on CNN and 60 minutes? And its only not helping me out in your eyes. In our eyes, you should shut up.

[Jonbo298]

I feel that the US should just stay in Iraq as long as their happy asses want to. I just want the US to go into a deeper deficit so that Bush can try to makeup a lame ass excuse as to why the deficit is going downhill even faster now. Hell, lets spend billions in a foreign country. F*ck the US citizens. They dont deserve the money. We need to spend all we can over in foreign countries because of a war hungry president who has to go after Iraq because his advisors thought it would guarantee him a re-election.

[Dylflon]

I like your style, Jonbo.

Good debate, Strangler.

I've already said all I have to say anyhow. I'd just be repeating myself if I were to say anymore.

My major stance is still is that this war isn't worth the lives it's costing.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

My major stance is still is that this war isn't worth the lives it's costing.

And you still habven't backed that opinion up with anything substantial.

Jonbo, the deficit is definitely an issue, but the war in Iraq is a minor fraction of the deficit. I have my reservations about the spending that Bush is doing right now, but we won't see the results of that spending immediately. If it creates jobs and revenue down the line then the deficit will work itself out by the end of Bush's second term (if he makes it that far). So right now I haven't made a decision as to whether the deficit (I know I'm not spelling that right) is a good or bad thing.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

What so are you saying that The daily show with Jon Stewert is a valid news show up with hte ranks on CNN and 60 minutes? And its only not helping me out in your eyes. In our eyes, you should shut up.

Please read my post again. If you still can't get what I was saying, then I can't help you.

Anyone else having problems with what I was saying about the Daily Show? I didn't think so.

[Dylflon]

Is it worth human lives to still be there when Saddam has already been captured? Hmmmm? Hmmmmmmm?