The 2004 NFL playoff thread - Page 4

The Germanator · 01-19-2004, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ZebraRampage

Well..I don't really care this time. The Panthers were here to play, but the Eagles weren't. They made some mistakes, so they lost. I guess we'll just have to look forward to next year. The Eagles weren't really that great these past two seasons, they're way too over-rated, so, I don't think they're ready to win the NFC Championship game. The closest they came was two years ago, in St. Louis. That was a good team, and a good game. Maybe next year they'll make it, maybe they won't, but only two teams can, and well..they just don't seem ready to climb over that last obstacle. So we'll just wait and see. Go Eagles.

Well, if we weren't ready to win the NFC Championship the last two years, then what steps did we take to be good enough to win it? I understand that injuries were a big problem, but we've know for YEARS that the receiving core stinks. They always thought they could tip-toe around that problem, but it was pretty obvious on Sunday that Thrash and Pinkston were weak. I don't care if Terrell Owens is a jerk, we should get him.

Perfect Stu · 01-19-2004, 03:30 PM

the Eagles spent too much money on McNabb IMO. They're able to maintain a very good defense, but their offense puts too much pressure on one guy...and he's not quite MVP calibur. Draft a couple receivers on the first day of the draft, I say. Buckhalter and Westbrook will be a great 1-2 punch for years to come...

I like where the Colts are right now.

-We have a top offense that won't change anytime soon.
-We have the youngest defense in the NFL with lots of prospects and good coaching

Within the next 2 years, this team should get to, if not win, a Superbowl.

The Germanator · 01-20-2004, 01:43 AM

I disagree with the McNabb money statement...He's the only playmaker they had on Sunday (with Westbrook injured). I don't care how much money they give him, he deserves it all for sure. The Eagles still have one of the lowest salary caps in the league, so McNabb isn't really hurting them in that department...it's more that Andy Reid is very stubborn about the way he runs his offense. He'll contend that Thrash and Pinkston can get the job done, but it's very clear that they can't. The only reason they looked decent throughout the year was because Westbrook was there as a threat....I still think the birds will contend next year despite probably losing one of the corners (vincent or taylor) and Duce Staley, possibly Emmons too..but that just leaves more room for a WR signing (Jackson from Seattle, Owens from SF=not likely...)

The Colts should be pretty good, but that defense really has to get better...Defense usually puts you over the top in the big games.

Perfect Stu · 01-20-2004, 02:22 PM

You really think McNabb was worth the $100million+ contract? Honestly, he's not even the best playmaker on offense IMO. His salary will hurt the team in the long run, I think...these past couple years were their best chances to win it all, I see it going slightly downhill from here.

Stonecutter · 01-20-2004, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Perfect Stu

You really think McNabb was worth the $100million+ contract? Honestly, he's not even the best playmaker on offense IMO. His salary will hurt the team in the long run, I think...these past couple years were their best chances to win it all, I see it going slightly downhill from here.

No it won't.

Welcome to the wacky world of ****ed up NFL salaries.

I don't know McNabb's numbers, and I'm a lazy, lazy man, so I'm not going to look them up, but all of these $100 million deals are BS.

Here's an example, (I'm making these numbers up, but this is basicly how it works) in baseball, once you sign your deal, that's it, that's what it's worth, unless you renegotiate you get all of it. To give you an idea of how static the situation is, last season, the highest paid player on the Orioles was Albert Belle. In the NFL, the ONLY guaranteed money is the signing bonus money. So say player X signs for 120 million over 10 years. Chances are, he gets 10 million in signing bonus spread out over those ten years, then he makes 5 million a year the first 5 years, the last two years are probably worth 20-25 million each, and the rest is spread out over years 6-7-8. He'll make the signing bonus, and the first five years, but he'll probably never see year 6, and he'll never ever see year 9. After 5 years he'll either be cut or his deal will be renegotiated. The only people who care about those big numbers are the agents because they can base their commissions off of them and they can say that "I got player X this $120 Million deal."

Perfect Stu · 01-20-2004, 09:34 PM

I understand, and actually like the way NFL salaries are organized.

I still think McNabb is overpaid, and until they renegotiate his deal or deal HIM, they're not going to win a SuperBowl.

Is that a little more clear?

Stonecutter · 01-31-2004, 09:32 PM

Player/Current Points/Points with Pats win/Points with Panters win

Stonecutter 69 81 71
Bond 79 90 83
Joeiss 58 64 61
Stu 88 100 94
Germy 73 84 75
Jason 77 89 81

Congrats, Stu.

Looking forward to next year.

Perfect Stu · 02-01-2004, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Stonecutter

Congrats, Stu.

was there any doubt?

The Germanator · 02-01-2004, 10:30 PM

Well, that was a pretty good superbowl. Vinatieri did it again even though he didn't do so well on his first two attempts...