The NFL Thread 03-04

[MasterMind]

Vikings still undefeated. 3-0

[The Germanator]

I didn't get to watch any football, busy all day...Packers v. Cardinals surprises the hell out of me though. Eagles better win next week...meh.

[Bond]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

Is that Al Harris? I'm an Eagles fan (sadly), and I know first hand that Al Harris is a walking 15 yard penalty.

I don't think he'd had a penalty up until this point. But it really wasn't his fault, just an awful call.

[mickydaniels]

An amazing beatdown of the raiders last night. The only team they've beaten since the Super Bowl and even preseason has been the BEngals. However, I do not thibk they'll saty down. They'll win as soon as Jerry POrter comes back but I doubt they're still a playoff team.


Power Rankings:

1. Kansas City Chiefs
2. Indianapolis Colts
3. Tampa Bay Bucs
4. Seattle Seahawks
5. Minnesota Vikings

Honorable mention: Buffalo, Miami, Denver

Denver gets into the top 5 when they actually beat somebody like the Chiefs on October 5. The next day, is also an even better matchup with Dungy hopefully schooling his former team on a Monday night for everyone to see.

[Perfect Stu]

STU's Power Rankings

1. Kansas City Chiefs
2. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3. Indianapolis Colts
4. Denver Broncos
5. Buffalo Bills
6. Seattle Seahawks
7. Tennessee Titans
8. Carolina Panthers
9. Miami Dolphins
10. Minnessota Vikings

[Stonecutter]

Wow, well, get one thing clear, we DID NOT witness Jake Plummer's coming out party last night, we're watching the fall of the Oakland Empire. And what a fun fall it will be.

That being said, here they are.

Stonecutter's Week 3 Powah Rankings
1) Kansas City - How can they NOT be the #1 team, my god, they're the new Rams
2) Tampa Bay - Rollin Rollin Rollin, keep them doggies rollin
3) Giants - Just you wait. That was one hell of a win on sunday, going on the road after a monday night game is usually a formula for a loss, that was impressive
4) Pittsburgh - Best reciving corps in the league, just keep Maddox healty and the D will do the rest
5) Seattle - Holy Crap, never in a million years did I think they could beat the Marc Bulger led Rams, and they did, my hat goes off to you
6) Tennessee - Stomped the saints
7) Miami - I hate the fins, but they put buffalo in their place


With a good showing next week, Indy makes it at 8, but I still need some convincing. Ditto Denver.

Minnesota doesn't make the list because they've played Chicago, Green Bay and Detroit
Green Bay drops off - Too old, stick a fork in them, but they still stomp my bears


Criticize me for keeping 2 3 and 0 teams off the list, but remember, arizona started 4 and 1 last year.

[Perfect Stu]

Tennessee > Indy? Would you mind explaining that?

Tennessee barely beat the 'falling Oakland Empire', and then got blown out by the Colts.

[Stonecutter]

I've seen two of their three games (indy and ten) and I just don't believe that the colts are a better team, nor do I believe that week 2 was indicative of either teams true colors. The Colts may be playing better right now, but I figure the Titans to at least play in the AFC championship game, if not win the AFC, I'd be surprised if the Colts win a playoff game and I wouldn't be surprised if they fail to make the playoffs at all.

I know I'm going to get slammed for this next one but here goes.

Payton Manning is the best pure passer in the NFL, but just like the old Elway/Marino argument, McNair's lesser talent doesn't mean he's not the better quarterback. I'd love to see who would put up better numbers if Harrison were on the Titans. The colts obviously have better receivers. James/George is fairly even as far as I'm concerned, for long term James has taken less punishment but for one season (this season) I'd rather have Eddie George. As for the D's, the Titans are still way better at stopping the run than the colts.

The Titans probably don't have the talent to match up against the colts, but they're a better all around team. They're this year's Oakland, old, and they realize the window is closing fast.

Most importantly, we're not going to know who's really better until week 6 or 7. The NFL is so finicky right now that chances are, one of the 3-0 teams will be written off by week 8 and one of the 0-3 teams will be considered playoff contenders. Right now, I'll take the Titans.

You may wonder how I justify having Miami ahead of the colts too, here's how: Wanny is the dumbest coach/manager in pro sports, bar none. Watch them start 7 and 1 and finish 9 and 7 but with that talent they should be able to will themselves into the playoffs and maybe beyond. Rickey Williams and the D are too good to be playing golf in January.

[Perfect Stu]

Ah, Alright. So you're not really basing your rankings off of the play of each team this year necessarily...just your view of the team and its potential?

[mickydaniels]

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

I know I'm going to get slammed for this next one but here goes.

The Titans probably don't have the talent to match up against the colts, but they're a better all around team. They're this year's Oakland, old, and they realize the window is closing fast.

Simply, if the Titans were a better all around team, they would be losing to a team they are better than by a 33-7 margin.

And as for rankings measuring a team's potential, that doesn't make too much sense to me. Who's to say this team or that team won't suffer some crazy injury or injuries that ultimately hurt the team. That's why you just have to go by what's going on now.


As Bill Parcells used to say, "You are what your record says you are."
And it says the Colts are better than the Titans.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by mickydaniels

Simply, if the Titans were a better all around team, they would be losing to a team they are better than by a 33-7 margin.

And as for rankings measuring a team's potential, that doesn't make too much sense to me. Who's to say this team or that team won't suffer some crazy injury or injuries that ultimately hurt the team. That's why you just have to go by what's going on now.


As Bill Parcells used to say, "You are what your record says you are."
And it says the Colts are better than the Titans.

Yeah, I agree with him on that. The Colts really, really spanked the Titans. I guess you may think the Titans are the better overall team or have better potential...but right now the Colts are outplaying them.

[MasterMind]

How about them Vikings, they're 4-0. Could be 5-0 by the end of next week. They play Atlanta next, and I'm sure the Vikes will be able to beat those guys.

Anyone watch Randy Moss get his 3 TDs? Beautiful...just beautiful. Thats all I look for from him.

[Joeiss]

Ya, those were three very nice tosses to Moss. And Dante wasn't even playing.

****! I forgot to sub him for Johnson in my pool! nooooooooooo

[Stonecutter]

Stonecutter's Week 4 Powah Rankings

Generally, I don't post these until Monday night, but even if the packers score 150 points against the bears, they're not on my list, and I'm just going to give the Colts the win right now (it's halftime/3rd quarter as I type)

1) Kansas City - Well, they won without scoring 40 points, I suppose that's a good thing. EDIT: By the way, just how good is Donte Hall?

2) Tampa Bay - I'm not going to drop them just because they didn't play

3) Giants - See Tampa Bay

4) Seattle - See Giants

5) Tennessee - Wow, stepping up big against the Steelers, I didn't get to see the game because someone at CBS thought the Chicago market would prefer the suckfest that was the Washington/New England game but beating Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh is impressive. Especially coming back from down 10-0

6) Indy - Yeahhhhh, ALRIGHT! So maybe they're a good team. There, I said it, they're not “Ok” they're not “decent” they're good, and they're 4-0, happy now stu? They're still not better than the titans.

7) Dolphins - The Giants/Seattle/Tampa Bay rule does not apply to the most hated fins.

8 ) Denver - Well, beating Detroit isn't very impressive, but they are 4-0

9) Carolina – Hmmmm, interesting. These guys could be really good. It might end up being 00' Ravens reprise. Unfortuately for the cats, I think they're offense is actually WORSE than the 00' Ravens, which is really bad. I also doubt their defense is as good, but hey, no one is saying they're going to win the superbowl.

10)Minnesota - *SIGH* I suppose I have to put them in here too. Despite the fact that they've beaten no one of significance, and still won't after they beat Atlanta next week, and will make the playoffs only because they play in the NFL's worst division. Hell, they play in the NFL's 9th best division, despite the noticeable handicap of there only being 8 divisions in the NFL. Yeah, I know they're 4-0, they've beaten the packers, the bears, the lions, and the niners. 3 wins between those 4 teams, and two of the three came against the other members of that 4 team group, and the other win came against the cardinals. Why don't we let the vikings play the Cardinals, Bengals, Chargers and Jaguars so they can be 8-0 and still no damn good. They don't suck per say, but they're no better than a 500 team, and a 500 team should not be #9 in the power rankins, yet...

11) Washington - Do I have to? Here's another team playing way over their heads (me thinks) I doubt they hang around very long. Prove me wrong Skins, prove me wrong.

Dropping off, Pittsburgh, but they're always welcome on Stonecutter's Powah Rankings, so just win next week and we'll forget the fact that they lost to the mighty, mighty titans. Maybe the Rams can make an apperance on here too, just beat someone better than the cardinals and 9ers. It looks like the pieces are there, but it's still questionable. Oh yeah, (S)martz, keep starting Bulger, and keep running the ball. It's really not that hard.

Misc. comments.

Hey, Buffalo, where's your #1 O and #1 D now? Na-na na na-na naaaaaaaaa
Hey, San Francisco, too bad you couldn't play the bears every week. I bet another boring 12-4 season under mooch would look pretty good right now?

[Stonecutter]

Holy Phuck.


Manning is putting on a show tonight.


Edit:


Hey, Saints




55-13 now.