Getting a Mac Laptop

[Null]

yes it does find the drivers and stuff for USB devices quite well.

it even found all the drivers needed for my Apple iPod when i plugged that into my firewire. before i installed the stuff that came with the iPod.

as i said. getting better.

[Mushlafa]

Originally Posted by Null

Win XP does not have a blue screen......... at all.

the blue screen is a Dos screen. XP does not have a dos. it doesnt use dos. closest it has is a simulated dos mod.

only blue screen is the welcome and shut down screens. and even them arent the same blue screen as what your talking about.

IF XP did lock up all it would do is have an error box or something. it wont flick into a dos blue screen tho.

Ive gotten a blue screen in XP when i broke something with my virus scanning software... during XP boot it went into a blue screen with white writing and about 3 paragraphs.. telling me that i had an unmountable boot volume.. took me a while to fix the damn thing seeing as i didnt have an xp cd... ya.. im done..

[Yoda9864]

Originally Posted by Null

yes it does find the drivers and stuff for USB devices quite well.

it even found all the drivers needed for my Apple iPod when i plugged that into my firewire. before i installed the stuff that came with the iPod.

as i said. getting better.

Lol

[Null]

yes thats the scandisk....... not in dos. they just colored it blue for the hell of it. heh. but thats not a 'blue screen of death'

i've never seen xp pop up with any type of blue screen in the middle of using it. and i dont know why they would want to make it do that. when windows ran on dos it made sence. it had no other way to do anything but something in dos.

[Stonecutter]

Originally Posted by gekko

Pretty much everything but games. I don't play games on my Mac. The P4 would blow it away in games, as it should with a faster processor, bus, and better video card. But I was referring to everything but games.

People who have actually bothered to run the benchmarks would disagree.

[Yoda9864]

Good God, the Mac got slaughtered. Has anyone else done a duel like this? I don't like trusting just one site.

[Stonecutter]

Originally Posted by Yoda9864

Good God, the Mac got slaughtered. Has anyone else done a duel like this? I don't like trusting just one site.

This is about a month old, but they're testing similar machines.

http://www.barefeats.com/pentium4.html

That's a pro-mac site and one of the pcs wins all but one of the benchmarks (they test a P4 and a xeon.)



http://www.macmusic.org/news/viewnew...RmtQjpAznOhM=1

These are mac enthusiasts slamming Jobbs & Co. for their questionable at best standards when they put the G5 against the top P4 at WWDC.

http://www.macobserver.com/columns/d...20030509.shtml
http://pcbuyersguide.com/software/sy...enchmarks.html


Edit: sorry if the order is a little confusing. All of those are good pc v mac stories.

[Yoda9864]

Wait a minute, so Jobs tried to compare the two systems using different programs on each comp? What the hell is he smoking?

[Stonecutter]

Originally Posted by Yoda9864

Wait a minute, so Jobs tried to compare the two systems using different programs on each comp? What the hell is he smoking?

Perhaps it's the "We can't win in a fair fight" bong.

He's certianly not alone. If you don't think ATI AND Nvidia aren't skewing their benchmarks in their favor I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

[Bond]

Well, in the past whenever Apple would conduct a test, they would always favor the Mac. But actually the latest one they did with the G4 vs. P4 and Xeon favored the P4 and Xeon.

[gekko]

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

People who have actually bothered to run the benchmarks would disagree.

Good for them. You haven't used either system, so you wouldn't know, would you?

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

These are mac enthusiasts slamming Jobbs & Co. for their questionable at best standards when they put the G5 against the top P4 at WWDC.

Wow, a shock to you? Maybe you should spend less time trying to learn from fanboy flame wars and spend some time with the Mac community. Mac fans are very critical of Apple, much in the same way Nintendo fans can be fed perfection and they still complain. Apple fans always have, and always will be critical of whatever Apple does. You would know that if you visited Mac sites.

If you want some real information, take it from someone who actually knows about the tests, and not some PC fanboy pulling **** out of their ass.

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl...id=126&tid=181

Stonecutter, until you actually own and use a Mac in the same way you use your PC, you can't accuratly compare Macs and PCs. So until that time comes, you have no first hand knowledge and everything you say is nothing but regergetated bull**** from someone else's mouth. You've established your identity as an PC fanboy who finds happiness in life by winning PC vs. Mac debates. If you actually used both platforms and like the PC better, I would respect you and value your opinion. Until that time, your opinion is worthless, and I'm not going to waste my time with someone who is not educated on the subject and enjoys flamewars.

So continue trying to brainwash people like Yoda, they'll believe everything you say. I don't plan on stopping the spread of communism. But until you actually educate yourself on the Mac platform, I'm not going to waste my time debating with you. It'll just be interesting to see how many people actually believe you.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

mmmmm.... hard to fight the PC side is

*sry yoda, i just had to say that

[Stonecutter]

Originally Posted by gekko

If you want some real information, take it from someone who actually knows about the tests, and not some PC fanboy pulling **** out of their ass.

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl...id=126&tid=181

So we should listen to the largest, most notorious anti-microsoft website on the net.

In an article written with all relevant information being given by an apple employee no less.

Right.

Not to mention the fact that they're trying to prove that the G5, a computer with technology two months ahead of the current intel is the better machine. Again, I should hope it is. The G5 should be whipping the P4 right now, though it's advantages would be marginal at best and non-existent at worse.

Not to mention the price, which you still have no answer for.

Stonecutter, until you actually own and use a Mac in the same way you use your PC, you can't accuratly compare Macs and PCs. So until that time comes, you have no first hand knowledge and everything you say is nothing but regergetated bull**** from someone else's mouth. You've established your identity as an PC fanboy who finds happiness in life by winning PC vs. Mac debates. If you actually used both platforms and like the PC better, I would respect you and value your opinion. Until that time, your opinion is worthless, and I'm not going to waste my time with someone who is not educated on the subject and enjoys flamewars.

So continue trying to brainwash people like Yoda, they'll believe everything you say. I don't plan on stopping the spread of communism. But until you actually educate yourself on the Mac platform, I'm not going to waste my time debating with you. It'll just be interesting to see how many people actually believe you.

So... basicly, what you're saying is. "I like the mac better and everyone who dosen't agree is a pc fanboy/moron. I don't have any numbers to back it up, but don't pay any attention to his numbers because..."

Where I'm saying the PC is better and I have the numbers to back it up.

I've taken the time to read the specs, to look at the prices to look at the software.

But I'm not educated on the subject because I haven't used it myself.

Interesting. I'd think that lack of first hand education would take about 90% of everything everyone learns in school and throw it out the window. That stance is the same kind of arrogance that professional atheletes show when they attack the media for "never having played the game." It doesn't work. Your only arguement so far is "I like them better."

It will be far more interesting to see how many people believe you, because you have no information to believe. Only your opinion that the mac is better. Despite the facts which tend to show the opposite.

I believe it's around 96% of the computer market that tends to agree with me.

Stonecutter, until you actually own and use a Mac in the same way you use your PC, you can't accuratly compare Macs and PCs.

Actually, I used macs for two years in grade school before my school got some donated pcs. I have no idea what we were using (on either the pc or the mac front) but because we were so short on funds I can almost guarantee that the macs we owned were still better (specs wise) than the piecemeal pcs we were given and I have preferred the pc since that time. I will admit that even now the majority of the machines in that school are P2s meaning the mac/pc experience I have is a war that was fought many years past but I did make a mac pc decision. At the time I didn't know there was actually a difference. It was one computer that I liked a whole lot better than the other one.

[gekko]

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

So we should listen to the largest, most notorious anti-microsoft website on the net.

In an article written with all relevant information being given by an apple employee no less.

Right.

Not to mention the fact that they're trying to prove that the G5, a computer with technology two months ahead of the current intel is the better machine. Again, I should hope it is. The G5 should be whipping the P4 right now, though it's advantages would be marginal at best and non-existent at worse.

Not to mention the price, which you still have no answer for.

Well let's take a look at things...

Do any of these anti-Mac sites have a G5? No. That means no one outside of Apple and Veritest can tell you how good or bad the G5 is. Any PC sites, or PC fans saying the G5 is slower is purely biased, because they don't have one.

Should you trust Apple's VP? Yes. Apple's innocent until proven guilty. He has first hand knowledge of how the tests were done. Do any skeptics? No, they immediatly assume Apple cheated because to them it's impossible for Apple to have a faster machine. They are what we call biased. Apple even offered to re-do the tests, something no company would do if they were not 100% confident the results would be even better.

Can Apple test Intel's machine that's shipping in 2 months? No. Will that machine be better than the G5? Maybe, maybe not. Wait and see. Technology keeps advancing. Intel may pass the G5, AMD may come back and pass both. It's no big deal to Mac users. G4s were much slower than the PC processors, and they kept falling farther and farther behind. Now the G5 is a competetor, and that's all that matters.

As for price, the G5 they tested cost less than the PC they tested. Also, to save you the research, top-of-the-line Macs do not cost much more than top-of-the-line PCs. Thing is, most people who complain about the cost of Macs never buy a top-of-the-line PC. I bought a top-of-the-line Mac in Feb 2001, cost me $700 more than a top-of-the-line PC (except video card, will be explained later) I bought May 2002. The Mac has a DVD burner, PC does not. The Mac has Gigabit ethernet, the PC does not. The Mac has wireless networking, the PC does not. The Mac has FireWire, the PC does not. The Mac also had the top-end video card of the day, the PC was one level down (GF4 Ti4400 instead of 4600). Anyone who jumps on the technology is going to pay big bucks for it. Price is a stereotype against Macs, and it's dropped considerably in the past few years. It's an argument made by the same PC users showing benchmarks for the best PC on the market and saying how much better PCs are. Give me a break, if you can afford the best PC on the market, price is not your concearn.

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

Actually, I used macs for two years in grade school before my school got some donated pcs. I have no idea what we were using (on either the pc or the mac front) but because we were so short on funds I can almost guarantee that the macs we owned were still better (specs wise) than the piecemeal pcs we were given and I have preferred the pc since that time. I will admit that even now the majority of the machines in that school are P2s meaning the mac/pc experience I have is a war that was fought many years past but I did make a mac pc decision.

Most people only use Macs in school, and they wonder why Macs suck. My school got new iMacs this last year, which just happened to be 2 years old to begin with. Slow? I would've never guessed.

And that's exactly why I said "own and use a Mac in the same way you use your PC, you can't accuratly compare Macs and PCs." Using a computer outside of your home is entirely different than using one in your home. If you owned and used a Mac at home (by Mac I mean a recent Mac, running OS X 10.2) and you still liked PCs better, I would be happy to debate with you. See, I'm a Mac fan, but behind me is a very nice Windows machine. I know both platforms because I own both, and have used both for years (Macs for 3 years, Windows since 3.1). I don't like debating with PC fans. Why? Because they're Mac-hating fanboys who love to talk about how much Macs suck when they've never used them outside of school and they don't know anything about them except what they've read in debates. How do I know? I was one. Then I bought a Mac.

[Stonecutter]

Originally Posted by gekko

Well let's take a look at things...

Do any of these anti-Mac sites have a G5? No. That means no one outside of Apple and Veritest can tell you how good or bad the G5 is. Any PC sites, or PC fans saying the G5 is slower is purely biased, because they don't have one.

Should you trust Apple's VP? Yes. Apple's innocent until proven guilty. He has first hand knowledge of how the tests were done. Do any skeptics? No, they immediatly assume Apple cheated because to them it's impossible for Apple to have a faster machine. They are what we call biased. Apple even offered to re-do the tests, something no company would do if they were not 100% confident the results would be even better.

Can Apple test Intel's machine that's shipping in 2 months? No. Will that machine be better than the G5? Maybe, maybe not. Wait and see. Technology keeps advancing. Intel may pass the G5, AMD may come back and pass both. It's no big deal to Mac users. G4s were much slower than the PC processors, and they kept falling farther and farther behind. Now the G5 is a competetor, and that's all that matters.

As for price, the G5 they tested cost less than the PC they tested. Also, to save you the research, top-of-the-line Macs do not cost much more than top-of-the-line PCs. Thing is, most people who complain about the cost of Macs never buy a top-of-the-line PC. I bought a top-of-the-line Mac in Feb 2001, cost me $700 more than a top-of-the-line PC (except video card, will be explained later) I bought May 2002. The Mac has a DVD burner, PC does not. The Mac has Gigabit ethernet, the PC does not. The Mac has wireless networking, the PC does not. The Mac has FireWire, the PC does not. The Mac also had the top-end video card of the day, the PC was one level down (GF4 Ti4400 instead of 4600). Anyone who jumps on the technology is going to pay big bucks for it. Price is a stereotype against Macs, and it's dropped considerably in the past few years. It's an argument made by the same PC users showing benchmarks for the best PC on the market and saying how much better PCs are. Give me a break, if you can afford the best PC on the market, price is not your concearn.



Most people only use Macs in school, and they wonder why Macs suck. My school got new iMacs this last year, which just happened to be 2 years old to begin with. Slow? I would've never guessed.

And that's exactly why I said "own and use a Mac in the same way you use your PC, you can't accuratly compare Macs and PCs." Using a computer outside of your home is entirely different than using one in your home. If you owned and used a Mac at home (by Mac I mean a recent Mac, running OS X 10.2) and you still liked PCs better, I would be happy to debate with you. See, I'm a Mac fan, but behind me is a very nice Windows machine. I know both platforms because I own both, and have used both for years (Macs for 3 years, Windows since 3.1). I don't like debating with PC fans. Why? Because they're Mac-hating fanboys who love to talk about how much Macs suck when they've never used them outside of school and they don't know anything about them except what they've read in debates. How do I know? I was one. Then I bought a Mac.

And I got a response out of you other than "you're an idiot."

Which is all I really wanted.

So though I still feel I won. I shall tip my cap to you.


Good day, sir.