Just My Opinion... - Page 4

gekko · 03-25-2003, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by sdtPikachu
And declaring war on Iraq isn't toying with Iraqi lives somehow? Or perhaps your American lives are more worthy than those of the Iraqi civilians...?

Saddam's getting his own people killed. 3rd world countries are famous for trying to use US morals against us. Non-uniform cobatants are everywhere, human shields are used a lot. Even cows have been used as shields. But we can't help that.

Saddam is trying to get his own people killed, and will continue to until he is gone.

mickydaniels · 03-25-2003, 10:44 AM

See that? American lives are much more precious than anyone elses.

People can't see fine powder?

Okay gekko. I see how easy that is. Want a solution. Put up a muthaf$#ing wall. That's right. If we're so scared of $#!+ like that then we should just put a big old wall like like the Chinese did on the Canadian and Mexican border. Problem solved.

gekko · 03-25-2003, 10:48 AM

No, it doesn't matter if Saddam is hiding behind an Iraqi or American shield. Is someone is shooting at you from behind another person, you don't stand by and take the bullet, you have to shoot, and likely both will go down. Same thing applies here.

And no, people can't see fine power. Do you see the millions of dust particles floating around you? Same thing, only smaller. Ever thought instead of asking questions you should actually figure out what you're talking about?

And with that, I'm off to play Zelda.

Professor S · 03-25-2003, 10:53 AM

I always love to hear the reasons why the US is getting into this war from those who are against it. The sheer amount of ignorance shown is hilarious.

1) War for Oil - Only 20% of US oil comes from the Middle East and none of that comes from Iraq. Compared to the rest of the world, US oil is dirt cheap. So I guess by your theory Canada and France would be at the forefront of this war... oh wait, they;re against it. There goes that theory.

2) American Imperialism - The US has occupied 2 Nations after successful modern wars. Germany and Japan. We rebuilt them to the point that they were stronger than they ever were and then left. Oh boy, we Americans sure do love to conquer and oppress people. So there goes that theory too.

Anyone have anything else?

mickydaniels · 03-25-2003, 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by gekko
No, it doesn't matter if Saddam is hiding behind an Iraqi or American shield. Is someone is shooting at you from behind another person, you don't stand by and take the bullet, you have to shoot, and likely both will go down. Same thing applies here.

And no, people can't see fine power. Do you see the millions of dust particles floating around you? Same thing, only smaller. Ever thought instead of asking questions you should actually figure out what you're talking about?

And with that, I'm off to play Zelda.

Same thing only smaller, huh? And you carry it in a shoebox? You must think these people are really dumb, huh? Maybe you should stop watching the TV's horror stories that get you in support of the war and think for yourself.

I can't see fine POWER.
You are obviously talking about a gas.

TheGame · 03-25-2003, 12:42 PM

Please... stop the cursing in this thread... I was going to go over post by post and edit them out, but I stopped after I realized how much you guys are doing it.

I hear one more flame, and the thread is closed, and my friend Mr Gekko would get the last word because there is no way I can stop him.

sdtPikachu · 03-25-2003, 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by The Strangler
I always love to hear the reasons why the US is getting into this war from those who are against it. The sheer amount of ignorance shown is hilarious.

I'm against the war because I don't see why it's neccesary, despite your wonderful insight into the danger of Enemies in Possession of Shoeboxes. And yes no doubt you will call me ignorant, blind, stupid etc etc, but I can't see why Iraq poses such a threat compared to other countries which not only have been thought to have NBC weapons but have also freely admitted to having them. Plenty of those countries don't care much for the US either, what makes Iraq such a threat that there's no alternative but to invade them right away? And before calling me blind and stupid again, please explain exactly why I'm blind and stupid.

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Originally posted by The Strangler
1) War for Oil - Only 20% of US oil comes from the Middle East and none of that comes from Iraq. Compared to the rest of the world, US oil is dirt cheap. So I guess by your theory Canada and France would be at the forefront of this war... oh wait, they;re against it. There goes that theory.

US has also seen oil prices rise sharply recently, as has the rest of the world. Why? It's getting more expensive. Iraq practically floats on the stuff. France doesn't want a war because they have been friendly with Iraq for centuries, and planned to buy their oil and other produce cheaply in return for investment once trade embargoes and been dropped.

The US doesn't have any substantial oil reserves left, and is extremely reluctant to pay extra for the stuff that Saudi pumps out. Hence why it makes more sense just to "find" new reserves to control.

Note that since 1984, US oil consumption has increased over 30%, from about 15 to about 20 million barrels per day. In 1985, only about 4 of the 15 million barrels were imported. Now you import almost 11 out of 20. That is, your total use has increased about 30% but your Middle East imports have increased nearly 200%.

The USA is much more dependent on imported oil that you were in the past, and you're using more oil than you did in the past.

You seem to think France is opposed to this because they are afraid of iraq. You think Canada is afraid of Iraq. You think Germany is afraid of Iraq. If they aren't fighting the big bad Iraq it may just be because they don't see it as the epitome of terror, or they aren't afraid of it if it is.

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Originally posted by The Strangler
2) Oh boy, we Americans sure do love to conquer and oppress people. So there goes that theory too.

Maybe you can start with Afghanistan. Remember those grandiose promises of democracy and rebuilding? Well, last week Bush sent Karzai home mostly empty-handed. And it seems you're only hanging around Afghanistan in the hope of catching some more of bin Laden's thugs. I don't see much rebuilding of any kind going on, and certainly no financial aid that would do the original promises any justice. What reason is there to think that Iraq will be any different?

Joeiss · 03-25-2003, 03:51 PM

I find it funny when people always bring up the point that America gets little to none of their oil from Iraq. So what? Just because America is not buying from them doesn't mean that there isn't any there. The fact that America isn't buying oil from Iraq doesn't hide that one of America's reasons for going to war is oil.

gekko · 03-25-2003, 04:08 PM

America gets 4.9% of their oil from Iraq. And if you know anything about the oil industry, or listened to anyone who actually does know something, America could easily get more oil without going to war with any country. This war has nothing to do with oil, in any way, shape, or form, and to say so, is only a demonstration of your own ignorance.

Rndm_Perfection · 03-25-2003, 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by Joeiss
I find it funny when people always bring up the point that America gets little to none of their oil from Iraq. So what? Just because America is not buying from them doesn't mean that there isn't any there. The fact that America isn't buying oil from Iraq doesn't hide that one of America's reasons for going to war is oil.

"one of the reasons"? Well then, I suppose World War II should not have started being that "one of the reasons" was possibly maintaining economic safety in Europe.

Everything that a person does lacks the 100% selflessness that some people see fit to be mandatory before actions are taken.

For example, if someone would return a lost pet to its owner, would it be wrong of that person to have felt somewhere inside "It'd be nice if a reward was involved", or if someone saved three drowning children... would it be wrong of the person to ever think "I'm doing this in part for respect"?

The examples may be pretty lousy, but I hope the point shows through. Just because oil is involved, does not mean the whole focus of the war is to gain the oil.

Rndm_Perfection · 03-25-2003, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by Ravishing Rick Rude
The opinions of most people on this side of the world sway with what everyone else has to say, not only has originality left society, but Public Opinion is all Flowers and Sunshine simply because people are against a war they have no idea about in the first place.

First, let us all hate those American scum with their "greedy" ways, their lack of culture, and their lust for "technological advancement"!
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And good God, how I bet you love your American NWO, and the PC in front of you.

Reminds me of the time the Palistinians celebrated after getting word that the World Trade Center had finally collapse.

"Woohoooo," one said, underneath his Chicago Cubs cap. And, "Huzzah," exclaimed the other, as he lifted his rifle... exposing his nice watch made in America.

Let us all spite those Americans... but... GO CUBS! Aaah Yeah!

Get a clue, ignorants of the world... just because North America (excluding "south of the border") lacks Sombreros, Sushi, Castles, Temples, and "interesting" accents... the NA does not lack a culture.

For a region to lack culture, it would have no form of communication, and no form of history at all. In fact, every single member of the region would have to stare blankly into the sky, have not mating patterns, no form of interaction, and ... by God, why they'd even be seen as the culture that "does nothing but look at the sky"!

Ravishing Rick Rude · 03-25-2003, 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by Rndm_Perfection
First, let us all hate those American scum with their "greedy" ways, their lack of culture, and their lust for "technological advancement"!
...
And good God, how I bet you love your American NWO, and the PC in front of you.

Reminds me of the time the Palistinians celebrated after getting word that the World Trade Center had finally collapse.

"Woohoooo," one said, underneath his Chicago Cubs cap. And, "Huzzah," exclaimed the other, as he lifted his rifle... exposing his nice watch made in America.

Let us all spite those Americans... but... GO CUBS! Aaah Yeah!

Get a clue, ignorants of the world... just because North America (excluding "south of the border") lacks Sombreros, Sushi, Castles, Temples, and "interesting" accents... the NA does not lack a culture.

For a region to lack culture, it would have no form of communication, and no form of history at all. In fact, every single member of the region would have to stare blankly into the sky, have not mating patterns, no form of interaction, and ... by God, why they'd even be seen as the culture that "does nothing but look at the sky"!

Oh, i see, so having a Computer built in Korea and a Watch made in the Uk :P.

Besides, i do not consider myself at a Cultured lack, quite the contrary, Canada is very Cultured, Multi-Cultured.

SdtPika, you my dear sir, have most of the facts right, and Gekko, no one can doubt your deep knowledge of this subject. Hats off to both of you for arguing without flaming.

Shadow_Link · 03-25-2003, 08:13 PM

If America is hell bent on freeing countires from ruthless dictators, why didn't they start with China?

Sorry, I forgot China is no Iraq in terms of power.

Professor S · 03-25-2003, 08:15 PM

Oh yes, Shadow, since we can't help everybody, we shouldn't help anyone. Excellent logic. You should run for office

Shadow_Link · 03-25-2003, 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by The Strangler
Oh yes, Shadow, since we can't help everybody, we shouldn't help anyone. Excellent logic. You should run for office

That well and truly was an excellent answer.

One of the main objectives of this war was to 'free' the Iraqi people, and install a democracy. Do America have any plans to liberate the chinese people in the near future?

'Why' can't they help the chinese people?