Microsoft Announces New Xbox Controller - Page 4

Angrist · 09-09-2010, 03:08 AM

The Cubetroller is just much more suitable for some games. And most people still have it lying around.
Now that I have a Classic Pro, I prefer that.

TheGame · 09-09-2010, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by gekko

Those are not analog triggers. You have Saturn, Dreamcast, GameCube, Xbox, Xbox 360, PS3, and the Wii Classic controller. PS3 and the Wii Classic are the only controllers where the buttons are convex. You should be able to squeeze hard and have your fingers not slide off the buttons. That's my beef with the PS3 design..

Really? I've never once had a situation where my fingers slide off of the Ps3 analog triggers. And I just wasted my time going into my livingroom to press it and see if it's an issue.

Not even close.

If you are holding the controller correctly, your middle finger will be right where the trigger ends. It's impossible for your index finger to slide off unless you're holding the controller wrong or you are missing some fingers...

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I think you are missing the point here. Those of us who said we don't like the PS3 controller were not asking for a revolution, just tweaking it a bit. Exactly what Microsoft has done going from the S to the 360. In fact, given the response to the Wii, Kinect, and Move, not sure controller revolutions are too popular around here... except BaB.

The Ps controler has been 'tweaked' multiple times. For example, the above issue you brought up with the analog trigger. On Ps2 there was no trigger, just 4 small buttons.

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And cause I'm ultra bored and know you don't have a Ps3, I've attached some pictures I just took.

Angrist · 09-09-2010, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGame

If you are holding the controller correctly, your middle finger will be right where the trigger ends. It's impossible for your index finger to slide off unless you're holding the controller wrong or you are missing some fingers...

Ehm, in my experience hands/grips can be really different. I think the shoulder buttons on the Dual Shock and Wii Classic Pro are way too high for my index fingers. I prefer their placement on the Cubetroller (and I guess Xbox).
I have a friend who couldn't press 2 face buttons at once. He didn't know how to use both the bottom and top of his thumb seperately for 2 buttons. Just saying, hands and grips can differ.

TheGame · 09-09-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Angrist

Ehm, in my experience hands/grips can be really different. I think the shoulder buttons on the Dual Shock and Wii Classic Pro are way too high for my index fingers. I prefer their placement on the Cubetroller (and I guess Xbox).
I have a friend who couldn't press 2 face buttons at once. He didn't know how to use both the bottom and top of his thumb seperately for 2 buttons. Just saying, hands and grips can differ.

I would chalk all of that up to not knowing how to hold the controller.

Since the Psx controller has been around so long, developers know how to manipulate the buttons to where most of the grip issues in the late Psx and early Ps2 age were fixed. I think the second trigger buttons (L2/R2) were the last major flaw in the controller.

Most developers know not to make you press triangle and x together anymore, or circle+square. And games that use shoulder buttons a lot adjusted to making L2/R2 the main buttons instead of L1/R1... which are now always back up/utility buttons.

It was annoying at first switching to MGS4's new style of shooting, and adjusting to the turbo buttons on all the sports games moving from R1 to R2... but now I understand why they did it. Even though the controller looks the same on Ps2 and Ps3, the feel is a lot different imo.

Angrist · 09-09-2010, 12:55 PM

I get sore hands when holding it the way I'm supposed to. It's the vertical angle between my thumb and index finger. Can't help it man.

Typhoid · 09-09-2010, 01:45 PM

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It was annoying at first switching to MGS4's new style of shooting, and adjusting to the turbo buttons on all the sports games moving from R1 to R2... but now I understand why they did it. Even though the controller looks the same on Ps2 and Ps3, the feel is a lot different imo.

I totally agree. At first there was a lot of "What the fuck is this bullcrap?" followed by "This is completely awkward" followed by "I'm glad I can control the acceleration of my car subtly with the R2 button."

Personally, when I hold my PS3 controller, I only use 1 finger (per side) for both shoulder buttons. I rest the finger in-between the two when I'm not using them. I have the inner bend of my thumb on the X, and the pad of my thumb on the Square. Unless I'm playing NHL 11, then I have my thumbs on the joysticks. But still.

jeepnut · 09-10-2010, 06:44 AM

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I totally agree. At first there was a lot of "What the fuck is this bullcrap?" followed by "This is completely awkward" followed by "I'm glad I can control the acceleration of my car subtly with the R2 button."

Personally, when I hold my PS3 controller, I only use 1 finger (per side) for both shoulder buttons. I rest the finger in-between the two when I'm not using them. I have the inner bend of my thumb on the X, and the pad of my thumb on the Square. Unless I'm playing NHL 11, then I have my thumbs on the joysticks. But still.

Agreed. Putting fingers on all four buttons feels unstable and uncomfortable.

TheGame · 09-10-2010, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jeepnut

Agreed. Putting fingers on all four buttons feels unstable and uncomfortable.

Yeah, that's not how it's meant to be held. R1 and L1 are pretty much like the black and white buttons on the original xbox. Low usage extra buttons. R2 L2 and the face buttons get most of the action with Ps3.