I saw the matrix-spoilers - Page 3

Morpheus1 · 11-07-2003, 11:43 AM

Null, I don't like Charlie’s Angels and I have never heard of underworld, yet I love Matrix. It's not cool to make generalizations like that. [I won't mess with your Rep unless you mess with mine]

Rndm_Perfection, you make great points [+Rep]

The Strangler, you are full of it. If Matrix isn't art, what is? Matrix had huge special effects, but that doesn't take away from the story. Matrix was meant to satisfy the people who don't read too deep into movies, and the people who read way too deep into the meaning of a story. None of the movies on your list can touch Matrix in Action, because Matrix showed us things that we have never seen before and leaped beyond our imagination. You can't tell me you imagined the battle at Zion being done any better than it was. Then, under all the action, there is a story that makes you think harder than any of the movies on your list, and that has multiple meanings. I can't see how a fan of movies in general can not like this film, unless they are into chick-flicks (which you are not, because I like the majority of the movies on your list). [I won't mess with your Rep unless you mess with mine]

Yoda9864, I agree with you. I'm not into complete action movies that don't make you think. Matrix just happens to be a mix of the best action (imo), and a story that made me think harder than any movie in my life. What was seen in the Matrix can never, and will never be copied without being called a rip-off. [+Rep to you]

Neo, You are The One [+Rep]

Professor S · 11-07-2003, 11:57 AM

Yeah, I'm full of it. I concentrated in Film in college and have seen probably 50,000 films from around the world, so I must have no idea what I'm talking about.

Like I said, the Zion battle scene was amazing. With that I agree. I even said that the plot was excellent. But incredible special effects and a strong plot do not make for a great movie. You still have to execute the STORY and then piece everything together. Not to mention you need to get strong performances out of your actors to make you care about them. I don't blame the actors so much, though, as they weren't given much to work with in terms of dialogue. The dialogue in this movie reminds me of Sylvester Stallone in Cobra. Its that contrived.

I even stated that its ok to like theis movie, but do not pretend to think that it is good cinema. Its not. Its self-indulgent tripe that pulls more on the lebido than the heart.

The first movie was great, but the last two have degraded considerable with each release. Stop being defensive and see it for what it is.

ominub · 11-07-2003, 12:06 PM

The Strangler, that it is your opinion that the second and third movies degraded, some will agree with you and some wont. I am one of the ones that dont agree with you. I see it the other way but thats just my opinion.

Null · 11-07-2003, 12:13 PM

a lot of you let your opinions take way to much into this.

whether you liked it...
and whether it was a technically good movie...
are two WAY WAY WAY differnt things.

strangler thinks more along the lines i do in this. in viewing movies in a more technical way, looking for the things that make good movies, bad movies, good acting, dialogue, things of that nature.

no one said likeing the movie is a bad thing. But aside from special effects, the movie wont win many awards.

and Morpheus, learn not to take generizations so personally or life is going to get tough bro.

The Duggler · 11-07-2003, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

and have seen probably 50,000 films from around the world

Yhea right.

Morpheus1 · 11-07-2003, 12:54 PM

Null, You lost me. What makes a movie technically good?

The Strangler, Special effects and plot may not make a movie technically good (whatever that means), but it makes a movie memorable. This is what separates Jurassic Park, Star Wars, and ET from movies on your list. I saw nothing wrong with the acting in the movie. The story was meant to have holes, and most likely couldn't have been executed any better without dumbing down the action or adding hours of more film.

BreakABone · 11-07-2003, 01:20 PM

Might as well chim in here while I'm around.

It seems to me that many of you went into the movie wanting to like it no matter what, and the fact of the matter is you did. No matter if you forced yourself to or you geniunely liked it. I don't know.

I do think that Null and Strangler looked at a movie in a more, don't want to say objective minor, but I guess they looked at the film for it's own merit before applying it to the trilogy.

As a side note, has nothing to do with the rest of this, I recently purchased American Pyscho and that is one bad ass movie. I recommend any one to see it.

And a final note, isn't Justin gone yet?

Professor S · 11-07-2003, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitram

Yhea right.

Ok, I will admit to using a bit of hyperbole there, but I have seen a LOT of movies. I worked in the media services department throughout college (it was a great hangover job on weekends) and I saw every movie that they had in the library. Add to that that I've seen probably 3-5 movies a week outside of college since I was 16 (I'm now 26), and you get the idea.

Like I said, all of your arguments as to liking the action, which was well done, and the plot are fine. You are free to love this movie if you like. My point of contention is when people try and paint this film as a work of art along the lines of Lawrence of Arabia, Lord of the Rings or the first 2 Star Wars. Its not even close. Those movies were cinematic operas. In comparison to those films Matrix Revolutions is the equivalent to watching two monkey's fight while dressed like Sheakespearean actors. They try and look like they're smarter than they are, and its even somwhat entertaining to watch on a visceral level, but don't mistake it for creative inspiration.

Yoda9864 · 11-07-2003, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

In comparison to those films Matrix Revolutions is the equivalent to watching two monkey's fight while dressed like Sheakespearean actors.

Hehe, I would like to see that someday for real,lol.

Whatever, Everybody has their opinions. I've been bashed for liking SW, so I've been desensitized to all bashing. lol

Blade Runner · 11-07-2003, 08:10 PM

I noticed a lot of ppl sayin they had unanswered questions but never actually said what they are. I also noticed that at school a lot of people who hated it (some of them who loved underworld null O_o ) didn't understand it. Who knows, there might be some kind of connection there. So, how bout u guys who say you have the unanswered questions ask them and we'll try to answer them for ya. I found one i think i can answer

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Er...whoever asked about lil girl
I thought the movie was good, but I don't understand what the little girl is doing there, she is kinda creepy, and the Oracle said something about her making the funky sunrise at the end

I think this one may be simpler than we think. IMO, she........controls the weather

I dunno, maybe yes, maybe not. I believe thats why when the virus Smith took her over he had control over the weather all of a sudden and it was all stormy and black. And that may be why when the machines destroyed the virus it showed her when the weather went back to normal. And, that might be why she said she "made the rainbow." Because...she did, seh controls the weather

IMO of course :-/

Rndm_Perfection · 11-07-2003, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Null

a lot of you let your opinions take way to much into this.

whether you liked it...
and whether it was a technically good movie...
are two WAY WAY WAY differnt things.

strangler thinks more along the lines i do in this. in viewing movies in a more technical way, looking for the things that make good movies, bad movies, good acting, dialogue, things of that nature.

no one said likeing the movie is a bad thing. But aside from special effects, the movie wont win many awards.

Opinion has everything to do with the success of a movie. If a person enjoy's a movie, they'll watch it. If you enjoy a movie, then it's a good movie. Enjoyment is a matter of opinion... whether you enjoy it based on its plot, its graphics, its acting, or its atmosphere determines your opinion.

As for the bolded section of the quote, I'd say your opinion about the movie also helps you conclude how good the movie is. That's not a bad thing though... because that's what an opinion does, always. No-one can ever involve their opinion too much when discussing something as subjective as the success of a film or its direction.

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Yes, the movie was rushed in terms of mechanics. I do, however, feel that Neo's dull attitude was accurate as, before he was in the Matrix, he was simply a computer techie who did dirty work for some "associates". He was also looking up radical ideas online about a Matrix. Hmmm, I just don't think someone like Neo would be very animated under normal circumstances.

Judging a movie technically only goes so far. It's not mathematics... there is no answer; everything is based on opinion. I respect your opinion, but I also enjoyed the movie.

Null · 11-07-2003, 09:52 PM

i never said the movie wasnt successfull. hands down it will be a huge success as far as money goes.

and they prolly dont care about awards, so they will get exactly what they wanted out of the movie.

TheGame · 11-08-2003, 12:04 AM

Eww... this thread got ugly.

Null... Matrix, if you like it or not, will be rememberd as one of the greatest films of all time. Not only is there room for a billion side stories (like Star Wars), the story has no cut and dry meaning... it makes you think, and everybody gets somthing different out of the story. The fact that it has the biggest and best action sequences ever made and the fact that it appeals to a wide audience is just iceing on the cake.

Null · 11-08-2003, 12:09 AM

the first matrix. yes. will get remembered as one of the greats. i GARENTEE you, the 2nd and 3rd wont get remembered for such. maybe one of the most popular, but thats entirely differnt. One of the best action sequences, yes thats entirely possible too.

Kitana85 · 11-08-2003, 12:15 PM

I think in the third movie it got too religous...
It seemed like that was more of its purpose... there were a myriad of biblical refernces.. indeed, after I saw it, the people I went with all got together to discuss all the religous aspects of the movies... we were talking for over three hours.... I don't have the list of comparesons with me, however if anyone is interested, I can get the list... but it covers everything from the anti-christ, to the Jewish interprestaion of Zion, to the first may be last verse from the gospels, Anderson = son of man... Smith, by ALWAYS calling him Ms. Anderson acklowleged his position...etc.

Oh yeah, I loved it, but that may be because I was sitting one seat away from a GOURGOUS guy and saw reloaded first in an apartment with 8 guys and 2 oher girls... 6 of the 8 guys were gorgous... that may have contributed a bit to my love of the movie...