I saw the matrix-spoilers

Crash · 11-05-2003, 12:20 PM

this is basically going to be a thread for those who have already seen the movie and don't wanna see any spoilers. because this will be loaded with them.
scroll down if you just wanna see my end feeling after seeing it.

I am totally pissed off that it didn't answer any of my questions. DONT SCROLL IF YOU WANT PLOT DETAILS!! THERE ARE SPOILERS BELOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now i know why the wachowski brothers are never seen anywhere. they know that after people see this latest movie, that they'd be immediately assassinated. there was no plot (just a war with machines, and that is it) and there are no questions answered. they end up right back in the place they were in the first movie. or, why didn't neo just go through the other door in revolutions. it would have ended the same way. trinity dies anyways, why the hell? the only reason the one was there was to end the war... MY @$$, he just post poned it, the machines still rule earth. what a crock! and how does neo still have powers if the "real world" is not the matrix. i'm sticking with my original theory because i believe it.

personally i think more matrix movies without keanu reaves and mrs moss are going to suck a fat one. i am totally confused as to why this movie was even made? they would be in the same spot if neo had just chosen the other door, cept now there are a few more zionites, whom are all going to die anyways, because they are trapped in a busted up hole with no ships to fly out! and how did neo destroy smith? why couldn't he do the same thing in the first matrix, why did smith come back, and why wont he come back again? is smith really the oracles son? all this movie did was make me ask more questions! NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Null · 11-05-2003, 05:56 PM

just as i predicted long long ago.

And as i had stated many times, the Matrix shoulda been left as 'the one'

The whole reason for the 2nd and 3rd wasnt to tell a story, wasnt to complete a vision that they had of the matrix. wasnt to answer questions. --- It was for money, plain and simple. ppl who loved the first got suckered into seeing the 2nd and 3rd.

Jason1 · 11-05-2003, 08:13 PM

I actually never really liked any of them...Havent seen the third one...and wont until it comes out on video, and even then I might not...

TheGame · 11-05-2003, 09:59 PM

WTF???

Crash, Null... I strongly disagree.

I liked the first movie, but I LOVE the story for Reloaded and Revolutions (and to an extent, ETM and the Animatrix). Reloaded and Revolutions make me enjoy watching the first movie more than I orgiginally did. The first movie is the only movie in the series that lacks a point, and it left a thousand more questions than even Reloaded.

Null, how can you say that these movies weren't made to complete the vision of the Matrix? The first matrix story was incomplete, period.

Also, Crash, how would you have written the script? Your questions are more about "how" instead of "why". What did you want, another 10 minute scene with the Archetect explaining all of your little questions?

By Neo going through the other door in the matrix things would have been much different. I can't even believe that you made that comment. It would have been a real interesting ending to show exactly how human life was on Earth even though what happens next is obvious

Last time I checked there are 100,000 friendly machine ships in Zion with them, that's the way out. As for Smith coming back, DUH. If you would have watched reloaded, you would have had the answer LONG ago. When Programs face deletion they can chose to return to the source and die, or they can chose exile. The Oracle is the mother of the Matrix, that's why he called her "Mom"

Any other questions, shoot.

In my opinion Revolutions was a good movie, and if you want to count reloaded and revolutions as one movie (which they pretty much are), I say it's the best sequal to a movie that I have ever seen.

Null · 11-05-2003, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGame

WTF???

Crash, Null... I strongly disagree.

I liked the first movie, but I LOVE the story for Reloaded and Revolutions (and to an extent, ETM and the Animatrix). Reloaded and Revolutions make me enjoy watching the first movie more than I orgiginally did. The first movie is the only movie in the series that lacks a point, and it left a thousand more questions than even Reloaded.

Null, how can you say that these movies weren't made to complete the vision of the Matrix? The first matrix story was incomplete, period.

Also, Crash, how would you have written the script? Your questions are more about "how" instead of "why". What did you want, another 10 minute scene with the Archetect explaining all of your little questions?

By Neo going through the other door in the matrix things would have been much different. I can't even believe that you made that comment. It would have been a real interesting ending to show exactly how human life was on Earth even though what happens next is obvious

Last time I checked there are 100,000 friendly machine ships in Zion with them, that's the way out. As for Smith coming back, DUH. If you would have watched reloaded, you would have had the answer LONG ago. When Programs face deletion they can chose to return to the source and die, or they can chose exile. The Oracle is the mother of the Matrix, that's why he called her "Mom"

Any other questions, shoot.

In my opinion Revolutions was a good movie, and if you want to count reloaded and revolutions as one movie (which they pretty much are), I say it's the best sequal to a movie that I have ever seen.

said it before i saw actually. only from what i heard.... just got back from seeing it a bit ago. but my comments arent too far off.

as far as the 3rd completeing something. It completes the 2nd. i give it that. and its not that bad of doing it. But as far as the matrix story, it ends nothing. it solves nothing. They are, 'almost' in essence back where they started. its almost as if he did go thro the door and zion will have to be rebuilt, only now with the same people.

the 2nd and 3rd dont have the 'feel' the matrix had in the first. which is understandable, because they built neo up to be so unstoppable in the first. they had to find crazy ways to make him get challenged.

2 and 3, expacially 2, feel more like thier own movies, then a continuation of the story. i think 3 helped, and i right now believe i liked 3 better then 2. But neither come close to the feel of the first.

Me personally i woulda liked to see them truly end it. and maybe of added a couple more twists. (i knew it wasnt going to be a matrix in a matrix because that theory became so overly used and obvious)

All in all it just feels like we went on one big loop and are back where we started. i KNEW they would leave it open tho, because about a year after the first, i read that they were given the go for a total of 6 matrix movies. That doesnt mean they have to make them all, more that they just wanted to end it in a way that they could continue if they wanted.

Rndm_Perfection · 11-05-2003, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Null

All in all it just feels like we went on one big loop and are back where we started. i KNEW they would leave it open tho, because about a year after the first, i read that they were given the go for a total of 6 matrix movies. That doesnt mean they have to make them all, more that they just wanted to end it in a way that they could continue if they wanted.

Well, the way they ended the film, it's still very possible that the "real world" is a part of an elaborate control of the Matrix. If it's not a part of the Matrix, then what is Neo? What explains his powers in the real world, and what would explain the train between the real world. Weren't the programs sending their daughter to the Matrix? ... Wouldn't that mean they were "living" outside the Matrix at one point?

Crash's original plans aren't entirely blown, as there's potential for another sequal that has room to expand on the Architect and Oracle's amazing form of control, the prophecy and dual-matrix.

Happydude · 11-05-2003, 10:27 PM

there is still the fact of HOW it ended...too openly if you ask me, cause the oracle said that the world is going to stay like that "for now"...would've been much better if they had shown the planet like '1 Year Later' when you can acually see the sky and you see Robots and Humans working together, and then they show Morpheus and the Crew standing over the graves of Trinity and Neo beside each other...that wouldv'e been a better ending....yup...other then that, it was a good movie...