Updated Console Worldwide Sales Numbers

[Stonecutter]

Originally Posted by Shadow Fox

My question to you (and Bond, and EGM) is, where the hell is this 13 million number coming from for Xbox? Every site I've seen regarding this has been saying 8 million plus, IN MARCH:

Oh, so now that's your "question" now that you realize you made a mistake.

Let me remind you of your original STATEMENT

this basically says that Nintendo lied, and that they haven't sold well over 10 million cubes by now, with Xbox at 9.

NO, they DID NOT LIE. They said that nintendo had sold 9.5 million in march.

You also said.

Please tell me how Nintendo lost 100k units globally, and how MS gained 5 million Xbox sales in two months (MS claimed 8.3 million in March).

Not once.

NOT ONCE did I dispute the fact that the xbox numbers may be inaccurate.

ALMOST EVERYONE who mentioned the nintendo numbers said that "Nintendo had sold 9.5 through march" some people even said something to the effect of "You mean to tell me they haven't sold any cubes in the last three months"

These people (including yourself as is evident in the post of yours that I originally quoted) were ignorant to the fact that the numbers posted were from March.

Just because YOU DIDN'T READ THE POST WELL ENOUGH doesn't give you the right to change your point. In your original post you never acknowledged the fact that those numbers were from March.

P.S. Stonecutter, there's no need for flaming and namecalling. If you want to show your ignorance- fine; but if you actually want to get your point across, you'll need to act mature if you want a decent discussion.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

You think I'm ignorant, fine you wouldn't be the first person on the internet to think that, you can try and be condescending, try and put me down. It doesn't bother me, I don't feel the need to go to any extremes to prove my intelligence to you or to anyone else on this board. The people on this board that know me don't need any further proof of my intelligence. You, on the other hand, ran headfirst into your post without reading the other posts. That is something which is markedly, and undeniably ignorant, and you, in your attempt to embarrass me, just proved your ignorance to the whole board.

Remember, you responded to me, which tells me I got my point across just fine.

Thanks for playing!

EDIT: SPELLING, so the ****ing vultures don't have any easy meat to go after.

[TheGame]

[b]Instead of complaining about a well known bias, why not just try to counteract it? So people raise arguments against these numbers. Argue that these people are wrong. That's what a forum is for. And if you can't make a solid counter-argument, then perhaps these people who are skeptical of EGM's numbers are right.

lol... that's the problem, there is no arguement. Bond's case is "EGM said" and Shadow Fox's case is "Nintendo/Microsoft said" and my case is, EGM doesn't know, and Nintendo/MS doesn't know...

The only thing I would give Nintendo and MS the benifit of the doubt it is consoles shipped, but sales...hell no. Hell, I think Ps2's numbers may even be exagerated... I think all the numbers EGM posted are right, give or take 3 million sales. Just like I think MS and Nintendo's numbers may be in the leauge, give or take 3 million.

As far as I know they might as well be tied for 2nd place with no chance in hell of achieving first place.

[Shadow Fox]

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

Oh, so now that's your "question" now that you realize you made a mistake.

No mistakes here, but please, continue...

NO, they DID NOT LIE. They said that nintendo had sold 9.5 million in march.

Maybe you're not paying attention to my STATEMENT, which specificially stated Nintendo's claim of #2 (at only 10 million units) @ E3 (i.e. mere weeks ago)- which would be a LIE, or impossible if Microsoft indeed sold 13 million IN MARCH.

See that now? Good.

NOT ONCE did I dispute the fact that the xbox numbers may be inaccurate.

OK, then who said this:

"Or are you just afraid to admit that the cube is in 3rd?"

Why would I "admit" anything that isn't true right now?

ALMOST EVERYONE who mentioned the nintendo numbers said that "Nintendo had sold 9.5 through march" some people even said something to the effect of "You mean to tell me they haven't sold any cubes in the last three months"

These people (including yourself as is evident in the post of yours that I originally quoted) were ignorant to the fact that the numbers posted were from March.

What the hell are you on about?

First of all, I knew of this issue before the thread was created, since I do have the actual EGM with the "error" in question (recall Sonic Heroes on the cover, and other post-E3 garbage)- therefore I knew WHEN and WHAT month these numbers are from.

And I'll ask this question AGAIN, since you can't grasp it:

How in the HELL is Nintendo or Microsoft not LYING if Nintendo claimed number #2 at 10-11 million 3 weeks ago, but MS surpassed this 3 MONTHS ago?

Nintendo claiming #2 at E3 with 10-11 million compared to Xbox's 13 million +...

That add up to you? Hell no; and this is my point.

Either way, this "tidbit" in EGM is VERY contradictary to either Nintendo or MS's previous (and current) claims, and also has no substance (since no resource available, at least to me, lists 13 million in March).

Just because YOU DIDN'T READ THE POST WELL ENOUGH doesn't give you the right to change your point.

I'm saying the same thing I've been saying all along; read my first post again ("WELL ENOUGH", even), and you will see.

In your original post you never acknowledged the fact that those numbers were from March.

Oh my damn- did you read only bits of my post, or the whole thing? If you read the entirety, you wouldn't have missed this:

"Plus, Nintendo announced that it sold 9.5 million (when they reported the console was just 500k shy of their goal), way back in March."

Clearly pointing at the error in the 'zine (it lists 9.4 million instead, followed by 20 GBA linkup titles).

You are forgiven.

You think I'm ignorant

If you can't understand my point and read my post correctly this time, then that will no longer be a thought; that's for sure.

fine you wouldn't be the first person on the internet to think that

I wouldn't be the first person in this thread to think that, either.

you can try and be condescending, try and put me down.

Or, I can break it down to you Barney style, as I did above. If you don't understand then, you're making an effort to not know.

In other words, I'm not like you and your "dumbass" and "can't read" remarks...and I'm condescending? Practice what you preach, sc.

It doesn't bother me, I don't feel the need to go to any extremes to prove my intelligence to you or to anyone else on this board.

I believe you; the aimless rant quoted here proves just that...

You, on the other hand, ran headfirst into your post without reading the other posts.

Thank you SO MUCH for ASSUMING so much, without:

A. Actually being in the same room as me to see that I actually DID read the entire thread before posting

B. Seeing me do a quick reply or quote without thinking

But since you declared that as FACT, with no shred of proof, that means what exactly?

That is something which is markedly, and undeniably ignorant, and you, in your attempt to embarrass me, just proved your ignorance to the whole board.

Looking at your assumption that I "didn't know about when the numbers were from", I'd love to think otherwise. Funny how message boards and opinons work, eh?

Remember, you responded to me, which tells me I got my point across just fine.

The sad part is, even though I understand now that you somehow mistook me as a "dumbass" who "can't read" since you THOUGHT I didn't know the numbers were from March (which is what makes them false in the first place, btw), I still saw no real point here. Are you, or are you not saying 13 million is real? Are you agreeing that the numbers were 13 in March (since I can't "admit GC is in 3rd"), meaning that Nintendo is lying about being in second, just weeks ago at E3 with lower than that supposed number of sales?

Or are you saying that somehow, magically even, MS sold 13 million in March, subtracted 5 million, and reissued a statement saying they are looking forward to their 9-10 millionth unit three months later?

Or even better, Nintendo with 10-11 right now, is claiming #2 globally though MS must have 14-15 million now since they sold 13 three months ago. Do you agree here that Nintendo isn't lying then, if they claim #2 with 10-11 million right NOW, if Xbox did 2 million better three months ago?

Thanks for playing!

Maybe you're the only one "playing here". Or perhaps you're a gameshow host of some kind?

Read my post and my point again. It's all good folk.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Stonecutter]

Originally Posted by Shadow Fox

I can't help but think EGM is totally wrong on this info. They list no sources whatsoever, and, (being a post-E3 issue), this basically says that Nintendo lied, and that they haven't sold well over 10 million cubes by now, with Xbox at 9.

IT
DOESN'T
SAY
A
GOD
DAMN
THING
ABOUT
NINTENDO
LYING

this basically says that Nintendo lied

NO IT DOESN'T

This says that nintendo sold 9.4 units through march. You want to dispute the 100,000 units fine. I don't care you win that one.

You are saying that EGM is calling Nintendo cooperate a bunch of liars, which it does not do.

It says that there are roughly 9 and one half million gamecubes sold worldwide through the end of march.

and that they haven't sold well over 10 million cubes by now

No one is disputing that fact. Not even EGM.

EGM is giving you the numbers from march. The xbox numbers may be wrong. The nintendo numbers are correct, give or take 100,000.

There's also this wonderful nugget.

Please tell me how Nintendo lost 100k units globally, and how MS gained 5 million Xbox sales in two months (MS claimed 8.3 million in March).

That alone proves you didn't read it. you thought that EGM was saying nintendo had 9.4 million in may and that it had lost 100,000 from march (because you know that the number was 9.5 in march) and that xbox which was at 8.3 million sold in march gained 5 million from march to may (two months.) You thought they meant May. They didn't.

You didn't read it.

[Stonecutter]

Interesting.

[Shadow Fox]

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

IT
DOESN'T
SAY
A
GOD
DAMN
THING
ABOUT
NINTENDO
LYING

Stop being so thick, and listen to what I'm saying. No one said EGM specifically stated Nintendo or MS was lying- the fact of what was announced at E3 (Nintendo being number 2) does.

NO IT DOESN'T

This says that nintendo sold 9.4 units through march. You want to dispute the 100,000 units fine. I don't care you win that one.

You are saying that EGM is calling Nintendo cooperate a bunch of liars, which it does not do.

It says that there are roughly 9 and one half million gamecubes sold worldwide through the end of march.

And I ASK YOU AGAIN (like I have since my first post in this thread)- how in the HELL can Nintendo claim #2 at 10-11 million units, then, if Xbox sold more in March, ACCORDING TO EGM?

Nintendo specifically stated "they are clearly number 2" globally at E3, only having sold 10-11 million. How is this so, if EGM claims they haven't passed MS's 13 million from 3 months ago?

Or, to make it clearer to you: Is 9.5 or 9.4 MORE than 13?

If not, then EGM's article directly contradicts Nintendo's words at E3. MS also did NOT deny "Nintendo being clearly number 2" globally at E3. Did you not see or hear about ANY of the keynotes other than Sony's?

That alone proves you didn't read it. you thought that EGM was saying nintendo had 9.4 million in may

No, I wasn't. Please READ my post, that SPECIFICALLY STATES I KNOW these numbers are "supposed" to be from March. What I "thought" was that EGM's "March" numbers are wrong, since there are later reports (from April to May, in the LINKS I gave a page ago (did you read them?), that state Xbox has having only EIGHT MILLION units globally in APRIL AND LATE MAY- a FAR CRY away from EGM's THIRTEEN in MARCH.

NINTENDO THEMSELVES (at their keynote) specifically said they had 10-11 million in MAY- NOT EGM. At the same time, they are claiming this to put them in a CLEAR #2 position globally. This also directly contradicts what EGM is saying (that Nintendo would have to surpass at least Xbox's 13 from March to be #2 globally). Understand?

Damn, Bond understood this off the rip; why can't you?

and that it had lost 100,000 from march (because you know that the number was 9.5 in march) and that xbox which was at 8.3 million sold in march gained 5 million from march to may (two months.) You thought they meant May. They didn't.

Did you read ANY of the links I gave in my first and second post here? They are links that prove MS sold 8.3 AFTER the time EGM claims (March), directly contradicting the article.

I am NOT thinking MS went from 8.3 in March to 13 in May, I'm thinking MS went from 13 in March to 8.3 in May, which is impossible if you look at what EGM's trying to say (13 in March) to what other sites say (8 in March, 8.3 in April, May), and MS themselves expecting to sell 9 millionth by June from a statement in May).

You didn't read it.

I read, reread, and reread the article, as I stated before, long before this thread was created. The article says MS sold 13 Million consoles in March, which is hogwash compared to what they're saying NOW (MS is selling LESS than 13 NOW).

This is obviously a typo; and I think you'll see why in the quote of your next post.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Null]

Actually that picture is quite interesting.

that there is an actual source. if thoes numbers are the exact ones in the EGM, you now know where EGM got them from.

Which also could make Games exageration theory a little more likely.

[Shadow Fox]

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

Interesting.

And this proves my point all the more. The screen you just posted lists MS EXPECTING (not actual) to sell 13 million (which is still much more than MS stated right after E3 as expecting to sell 9 in June) in JUNE, not March. This pic even directly contradicts EGM (saying that MS SOLD 13 million in MARCH, three months ago).

The comparison, if stated by all March numbers (from the links I gave), would be:

-Sony at 51 million
-Nintendo at 9.4/9.5 million
-Microsoft at 8 million

Instead this pic is also very inaccurate, showing:

-Sony worldwide shipments from March
-Microsoft EXPECTATIONS for JUNE
-Nintendo worldwide shipments from March

Why exactly, did Sony go this far to attempt to show Xbox at #2 from expectations that aren't consistant with what's been reported AFTER E3 (MS expecting 9 million in JUNE, NOT 13)?

That's a good question, but either way, look at that EGM article if you have it. Notice they say MS already SOLD (past tense) 13 million in MARCH. Look at the pic YOU POSTED. Note that it says MS EXPECTS to sell 13 million by JUNE.

So which one is it? Did MS sell 13 in March, or does it expect to sell this in June, according to your two sources (since you obviously didn't read mine). Then once you get over that, then you can read the articles I posted a page ago that add even more contradiction.

Please pay attention, and read posts thoroughly next time.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Shadow Fox]

Originally Posted by Null

Actually that picture is quite interesting.

that there is an actual source. if thoes numbers are the exact ones in the EGM, you now know where EGM got them from.

They aren't the EXACT numbers from EGM, but I believe that's where they got them. This is the typo I'm talking about; EGM must have (since they enjoyed the Sony display so much) mistaken "13 million by June" with "13 million in March", which are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.

Also, these numbers aren't any more a real source than the links I've posted of Reuters, CNBC, etc claiming MS sold significantly less from combined data (TRSTS, Charttrack, Dengeki, etc). These numbers have all been confirmed BEFORE this powerpoint chart (except MS's 13) far back in March; Sony's press conference display does not make it new, nor does it make it any more accurate.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Null]

What i meant is thoes are the exact numbers EGM put in. but EGM put them in the wrong context.


51.2, 13, 9.4 are the same numbers.


But you are abosutly right. and i missed that when i first looked at his pic there. That picture he posted speaks volumes. 13 by june.

why on earth they would say by june for xbox and not GC or ps2 is beyond me.
whether they really want Xbox to be seen as number 2 or they couldnt get an exact number so they put expectations down instead. i dunno.

very interesting tho.
(still stand by my statment tho that 2 and 3 dont matter. they still not #1 )

[Xantar]

Originally Posted by Null

But you are abosutly right. and i missed that when i first looked at his pic there. That picture he posted speaks volumes. 13 by june.

why on earth they would say by june for xbox and not GC or ps2 is beyond me.
whether they really want Xbox to be seen as number 2 or they couldnt get an exact number so they put expectations down instead. i dunno.

As I suggested earlier, it might have something to do with fiscal years. I know Nintendo's fiscal year ends in March. Therefore, they would tell us the number of consoles sold every time March comes around but wouldn't necessarily say anything during the other 11 months (although of course they will report holiday sales data).

By the same token, it could be that Microsoft's fiscal year ends in June. Thus, they wouldn't tell us how sales are coming along right now but instead talk about expectations for June.

Remember, up until October or so last year, Nintendo never talked about how many consoles they sold but how many they expected to sell by March. There were a lot of stories about how they were downgrading their estimates, as I recall.

Of course, this all depends on Microsoft's fiscal year actually ending in June which we don't know. And I'm too lazy to go find out.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by Shadow Fox

Why exactly, did Sony go this far to attempt to show Xbox at #2

I think Sony just displayed information that they were given. Maybe they went to Microsoft and asked them what their worldwide shipment numbers were...and MS gave them that. Who knows?

But what I'm puzzled about is how or why you people are arguing to the death about all of this...Does it matter to you THAT much as to which game console is in 2nd place?

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu

But what I'm puzzled about is how or why you people are arguing to the death about all of this...Does it matter to you THAT much as to which game console is in 2nd place?

Yes... because it's ShadowFox's purpose in life to prove that GCN is superior to Xbox in every way.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Shadow Fox

Why exactly, did Sony go this far to attempt to show Xbox at #2 from expectations that aren't consistant with what's been reported AFTER E3 (MS expecting 9 million in JUNE, NOT 13)?

Look in the lower right hand corner of the pic, if anybody is exagerating, it's Microsoft, not Sony.

[Null]

Originally Posted by TheGame

Yes... because it's ShadowFox's purpose in life to prove that GCN is superior to Xbox in every way.

as the opposite is true for certain others.

(MS fans... We're number 2 hurrah!)
(Nintendo fans... No, We're Number 2 hurrah hurrah!!)




(Sony fans... ... ........... hahahahaha !)


Every time one of these threads are started. its either a MS or Nintendo fan trying to show thier better then the opposite, never seems to be a Sony fan starting them up.