Sony's Future? - Page 3

gekko · 05-28-2003, 06:10 PM

Ya, most signed up for Neo Geo Pocket and Wonderswan too. Hell, a lot of them signed up for the N-gauge. Deosn't mean much.

TheGame · 05-28-2003, 06:23 PM

Interesig thread...

on PSP:

people say developers won't come because GBA has a bigger user base? If that's true why are any developers even touching GCN or Xbox right now? What made develpers even try and devlop for DC? (with Psx and N64 moving strong at the same time)

The fact is you just can't count it out, Xantar... Developers will come JUST because Sony makes it, do you realy think they give a damn that Nintendo is killing everything off right now?

Yes, it may be a different market, but it's still the same industry. Developers will come, until PSP fails. No developer is going to label Sony as a failure here until it acctually fails, that's why it will get support no matter how stupid it looks on paper. (just like DC, GCN, and Xbox did from launch.

on Ps3:

Until rockstar (well, just GTA) leaves and Sqare slashes support, I doubt it will fail. People say ony dropped the ball this generation, but who can say they don't make some type of last second save next gen? Almost like N64 with a CD and easy development would have meant Nintendo remaining a powerhouse, Sony could manage to release the most powerful hardware with the easiest development and the best pricing next time.

It sill can be done, Ps3 doesn't have to have all the same issues Ps2 had... it could even manage to be what Xbox was to this gen (hardware wise), legitamently the best all-around hardware.

Perfect Stu · 05-28-2003, 06:35 PM

what I find interesting is that Sony 'really messed up' this gen and still handed the competition its ass like we've never seen since maybe NES in the console industry. I'd hate to be Nintendo and Microsoft when Sony makes the right moves :eek:

Xantar · 05-28-2003, 08:25 PM

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The fact is you just can't count it out, Xantar...

And I'm not. I'm simply pointing out that predicting that it's too early to declare that it will be a success. Making any judgment about its future would be premature right now. Since Stu started off the thread saying that he couldn't see how the PSP could fail, I made a post pointing out ways that it could. Just so we're clear on that.

vurel · 05-29-2003, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by Xantar
I think you may have missed my point here. The Playstation 2 will undoubtedly continue to be the most attractive platform to develop for. But when it comes down to the PSP or the GBA, which do you think developers will choose? Well, the GBA has a vastly larger userbase and is cheaper to develop for. So how's Sony going to get games for the PSP? You might think that they'd negotiate with developers and pull a sort of reverse of Nintendo's tactic (whereas Nintendo said, "Develop for our console or we won't let you develop for our handheld," Sony might put it the other way around). All I'm saying is that tactic won't work.

Yes, I do. And if I'm not mistaken, the PSP will not be anything like a replacement for a DVD player of any kind. Aside from its relatively low resolution screen, it doesn't play DVD size disks.

indeed... I believe GBA games can be written in c++, which was intended to make GBA much easier to develop for than previous Game Boy systems.... I think Sony trying to leverage against a developer-friendly system with a well established user base and a vast library of games ( reverse compatability was a major factor in PS2's advantage over GCN and Xbox.)

TheGame · 05-30-2003, 02:33 AM

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Originally posted by vurel
( reverse compatability was a major factor in PS2's advantage over GCN and Xbox.)

No it wasn't

And anyway, easy development is no longer an advantage in the game market... and Sony proved this. All GCN and Xbox's easy development got them was some faster ports of Ps2 games. Ok, Easy development is an advantage, only if you are #1, but when you are #1 hard development can help too.

GBA of course, is #1, so easy development will help

. But the hardware differences will make up for this, I mean, GBA may not even be close as powerful, so some developers will be able to do stuff on PSP that simply can't be done on GBA.

My question is, if PSP releases, and it outsells GBA month to mont for a year, and it's userbase gets up around 2-5 million, what should Nintendo do? I mean, if they release a new console thier userbase will no longer be a factor.... and how would they have to go about competing with PSP? Make it like PSP just better in every way... or make it like a newer better GBA and keep the carts. Or, just ignore that PSP is winning and keep GBA alive longer?

Cyrax9 · 05-30-2003, 02:52 AM

My Take:

PS2
The PS2 will continue to rank #1 in sales and games until 2005, at which point Microsoft and Nintendo will launch new consoles, PS2 will end the "Current" console war as the victor, while titles ofr this system begin to dwindle in light fo the Anouncemnt for the PS3 which will be delayed a month after being announced, Nintendo Style (N64 had Numerous delays)..

PSP
PlayStation Portable is released at a pricey $199 price tag, but software titles cost only $20-$25 each. However this will not deter Game Boy fans due to the extensive Library of GB/GBC/GBA games who already have poretables, like Sony's last stab at a portable sysem and other "GB Killers" this unit will syphon off a few GBA players who will soon miss thier extensive library of games and return to NIntendo, but not ebfore E3 2004 where Nintendo Announces the Next-Gen GB andgives the system fresh blood again, killin gthe PSP, or at the very least, putting it on Life support" until people forget what it was, just like they id BanDai's WOnderswan Color an Sega's gamegear, both Superior systems that didn't stand a chance against the GBA

PS3
Unveiled at E3 2005, PS3 promises everything you could dream of, but, like NIntendo's N64 falls short in every way. The system will see delays and the "Cell-Chip" won't work right, by the time it's released in 2007 the hype will be over and Nintendo and Microsoft will ahve two New Systems on the Market, SOny will now have made the same mistake NIntendo adn Sega made out of cockiness abut being #1, they'll make up for it, or at least try, but by the time Console war 9 ends adn console war 10 begins SOny will be in third place, the way Microsfot (Or Nintendo depending on the sales charts of the week) is now. However SOny will learn and attempt to rcover fromt his DIsaster with the PS4 while the GC 3 and XBX3 are announced, the PS3 will, sadly, be the amke or break system, justa s the N64 and Saturn were for Nintendo, if you apss the third system hurlte you're safe, SOny will pass but where they stand aftwerwards will remaint o be seen [/b][/quote]

TheGame · 05-30-2003, 03:04 AM

omg... come on Cyrax.

First of all Ps3 won't use the Cell chip, so it won't have problems with it. Also, why would Sony make the same mistakes as Nintendo and Sega? Sony already made more than enough mistakes with Ps2, and by god's grace still won. Unlike Sega with Saturn, and Nintendo with N64, Sony's mistake system didn't make them fall behind. Next gen I'm sure Sony won't make another mistake filled system.

As for your little PSP rant, you said Wonderswan Color was a superior system to GBA??? LOL, nothing was better about wonderswan, except it's perfect name

. Also, Sony is a bigger name to back a handheld console than any of Nintendo's previous contenders.

vurel · 05-30-2003, 11:25 PM

I don't think the PSP will fare very well against GBA, Optical discs are excellent for console games, but i think the GBA cartridge is definitely superior for portable systems, Battery life aside, protecting games from scratches when carrying them around would be a real pain, also cartidges don't have to worry about spin-up/seek time and have minimal loading time ( I'ts always great to sit around waiting to load... and not know that the PS2 has crashed) [I know my tense is all screwed up... I'm tired and i need to go to bed so i don't care about that]

Perfect Stu · 05-30-2003, 11:37 PM

The UMD discs are covered with a plastic casing. Read up...

Yoda9864 · 06-04-2003, 11:59 PM

I don't know, I don't see people spending $200 (which is what I see it costing) on a portable gaming system even if it has these nice features. And contrary to what a couple other people have said, I doubt the games will be any less than that of a PS2/GC/X-Box game.

Seth · 06-05-2003, 01:42 AM

As much as Nintendo is a talented gaming company, i can't see them ever winning any console race against the likes of microsoft and sony. The companies more cash then they know what to do with. Even if Nintendo does everything right the next console gen it's going to be hard to compete with the bank accounts of sony/microsoft.

TheGame · 06-05-2003, 02:07 AM

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Originally posted by bouncer_agb
As much as Nintendo is a talented gaming company, i can't see them ever winning any console race against the likes of microsoft and sony. The companies more cash then they know what to do with. Even if Nintendo does everything right the next console gen it's going to be hard to compete with the bank accounts of sony/microsoft.

Yep, money is power.

When it comes down to it, to knock Sony off the gaming map would be 50x harder to do than knock Nintendo off the Map. Why? Because they have the money to buy a spot in gamer's hearts. Plus they have more pull at third party houses than Nintendo could dream of.

You know how GT3/VC was exclusive? If Sony starts to die off you would see a lot more of that

tarakan69 · 06-05-2003, 07:06 AM

For god's sake!! The PSP is marketed to a completly different crowd of people.

PSP and GBA will be 2 different market, they might marginally blur... But that's it. I don't see the PSP as a threat to the GBA, nor do I see the GBA as a threat to the PSP.

My friends that would never buy a GBA... would get a PSP cause of it's functionality.

I myself for one don't like portable gaming as whole, but the prospect of listening to music, and and watching videos does EVOLVE the market. It, like the PS1 will form a new demograph.