GBA 2 Debut at E3 - Page 3

Stonecutter · 03-01-2005, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Crash

why is everyone so hard on the DS, I think it's a great machine... I can't wait for games like Metroid Hunters, and Band Brother etc... It's well worth the $150.00

Because it ****ing sucks! Ok?

I'm sorry, I'm trying to like the thing but, no. Why the hell do you release a system that's kind of the spiritual successor to the N64 and then not give it analog control? Huh? There's no reason for it not to have analog control.

Secondly, the two screens are a gimic, plain and simple. I have no doubt that Nintendo is going to release some cool **** that utilizes the feature but you're going to be hard pressed to find many third party developers that put much more effort into it than they did with that LCD thingy the dreamcast had.

One of the greatest things about being a third party developer is that your game can reach 100% of the market. If your game comes out on all three systems than anyone who wants your game can buy it. With the GBA, it was the only game in town, and it's dirt cheap to developer for. Do you really think that when the time comes for the DS to go head to head with the PSP that companies are actually going to put the time and effort into making two entirely different versions of the same game, one for the PSP and one to utilize the dual screens? If you believe that, then you've got some high quality ****, and shame on you for not sharing.

Go ahead and cry about Nintendo being the only company that tries to innovate. On a lot of ground, I'll support you in your argument, but sad as it is, the fact is that a lot of that attempted innovation is shooting themselves in the foot, time and time again. The PSP has a lot going for it, and if they can fix some of the issues (that whole fiasco with the square button is laughable and embarrassing) it's going to hurt Nintendo, and using the console market as a guide, what would you rather bet your money on? Sony getting its head out of its ass or Nintendo getting its head out of the sand?

My money would be on sony without so much as a second thought.

thatmariolover · 03-01-2005, 02:36 AM

Hey, sorry that you don’t like the thing. But I really disagree with you. I honestly don’t know where you got the idea that it’s the “spiritual successor” to the N64. The graphical abilities might be similar, but that’s where similarity ends. As for analogue control, the PSP’s solution is hardly better. It’s not truly analogue; it’s more like a round D-Pad. There are more levels of control in using the touch screen as an analogue emulator. Sorry for those of you incapable of getting used to it, but it’s far superior to a D-Pad if you just get used to it.

As for the screens being a gimmick, I can kind of see why you would say that at this point. They haven’t been utilized nearly as well as they can be. But to all naysayers I’d ask that they go pick up a copy of WarioWare: Touched. By far the most innovative and feature showcasing game on the DS (although somehow a multiplayer mode was overlooked?).

As surprising as it might be, it’s not that hard to alter code to support dual screen support at all. Although tapping into the two separate rendering engines could be a slight obstacle, I’ve heard no beef from developers thus-far. So let’s not create stink when everything’s lemony fresh. Do you honestly think that if there’s a market there that developers aren’t going to tap into it? The DS is already a success, and considering that there’s only going to be 300,000 PSP units available in the U.S. at the launch (the official numbers my Gamestop was just given today in a conference call) there’s going to be a bit of a problem with supply. No, of course the DS isn’t going to get the mainstream support that the PSP is going to get. It’s pretty obvious that the DS is not a mainstream handheld. It does cool stuff and has cool ideas and it’s about playing games differently. It’s hardly something that’s easy to adapt to when we’ve become so used to the way we play games. It’s an acquired taste, and it’s obviously only going to appeal to a specific group of gamers. A fact Nintendo is well aware of – and the very reason for this thread: GBA 2.

Nintendo really does try to innovate, although I’m hardly crying about that. I’m frustrated because a lot of people just don’t understand Nintendo’s goals in releasing the DS. They don’t understand what the DS is really trying to accomplish. It’s not a handheld for mainstream gamers. It’s mostly for the hardcore guys, or people willing to look a little bit further, or for people who never play games even. Nintendo is a great company doing great things for gaming. They’re willing to gamble a little bit and that’s fine by me. If Nintendo never regains it’s “crown,” I’d be perfectly satisfied having Nintendo be the icing on my cake of games. As long as they continue to do what they’re good at, I can find a good median between mainstream and innovation.

As for who’s really going to win this little handheld competition, only time will tell in my opinion. E3 will shed a lot more light on the issues that most of us are concerned about (both with Nintendo and Sony). I’d be much more readily prepared to make predictions after I’ve seen what both companies really have up their sleeves.

Jonbo298 · 03-01-2005, 03:09 AM

[sarcasm]How can you consider WarioWare: Touched! a game?! Its just a gimmick to showoff the touchscreen

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Neo · 03-01-2005, 10:49 AM

No one has told me how much this business license would cost.

MuGen · 03-01-2005, 11:18 AM

I agree with Stonecutter there... I won't go so far as to bash the DS but anyone who has a preference will belittle the use of another function.

Now, when I think about the Touch Screen on the DS, I think it's a pretty spiffy idea, and fanboy-ism aside, it's pretty innovative. As thatmariolover stated, the Touch Screen is better than a D-pad in terms of control, which is true. However... For that better control in movement in the game, you sacrifice versatility. You need your whole hand to keep the stylus sturdy and control it on the Touch Screen. A hand you need to press buttons and such... I don't know many people who have 3 hands. Some games are developed so you don't need those buttons but eventually you will waver for the games that can do so much more. That is why the Analog Control is very much a necessity.

The PSP's disc control is almost like an analog with 360 degrees of motion, only that it doesn't stick out like a joystick, and I think it's damn impressive. It's nothing like just a round D-pad because D-pads aren't as smooth.

But of course... as the DS' touch screen's capability was compromised, the fans will beg to differ and compromise the ability of the PSP's control capability. There will always be heated arguements about such... but this topic is about Nintendo releasing another Gameboy.

I want to ask this to the Nintendo fans who've shelled out $150 for the DS...
are you now happy to know that they are planning a more powerful handheld at a cheaper price? Or are you kind of upset that they came from behind with this announcement? It may be known that Nintendo was going to release a Gameboy behind the DS, however it wasn't known that it were to be this early after the DS' launch. People who purchased the DS are now stuck with what Nintendo plans to be a Palm PDA'ish handheld, while all the Software and new innovative games go to the codename "Jesus."

Now, people with good jobs may be able to shell out another lump sum of money to get this new Gameboy, but what about the kids who were so ecstatic to finally own a DS? Younger kids have no need for a PDA'ish handheld, and they will be begging for this new Gameboy.

All fanboy-ism aside, my respect for Nintendo has only diminished with this kind of market strategy they are pulling. Of course I'm a Sony fan, and many of you know this... but I have respect for entity's like Sega and Nintendo for their innovation, and they are legends in the gaming industry. But my respect goes only so far, and now that I hear Nintendo pulls a fast one with it's customers..... my respect has gone. The only thing I can look forward to is the Ps3 and the Revolution. I can't begin to disclose my thoughts on this handheld market, because it's getting nasty.

Teuthida · 03-01-2005, 07:22 PM

The only reason the DS even came into existence is because Yamauchi hadn't screwed things up for the company (that he fails to realize he's no longer the president of) in a while. The urge to screw is a powerful urge indeed.

Perfect Stu · 03-01-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Danchastu

The only reason the DS even came into existence is because Yamauchi hadn't screwed things up for the company (that he fails to realize he's no longer the president of) in a while. The urge to screw is a powerful urge indeed.

lol

DarkMaster · 03-01-2005, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Neo

No one has told me how much this business license would cost.

In depends on which state you live in. You're a Texas man right? Well you gotta check prices on available business licenses in the state of Texas.

Your state will determine the cost and availability (just having money won't get you a license). In some cases a license for a small business can range from $100-$1000, but it really depends on your place of residence (ie. where the business will be established and primarily maintained). Also like I said you can't always just get one by having the money to pay for it, sometimes you're required to meet certain standards. Your age, employment, income, things like that, all come into play (though again it differs depending on where you live).

It could very well be a simple $100 down for you, but I wouldn't know what the state of Texas offers. You'll have to find a website that deals with these things and check it out further.

Crash · 03-02-2005, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkMaster

In depends on which state you live in. You're a Texas man right? Well you gotta check prices on available business licenses in the state of Texas.

Your state will determine the cost and availability (just having money won't get you a license). In some cases a license for a small business can range from $100-$1000, but it really depends on your place of residence (ie. where the business will be established and primarily maintained). Also like I said you can't always just get one by having the money to pay for it, sometimes you're required to meet certain standards. Your age, employment, income, things like that, all come into play (though again it differs depending on where you live).

It could very well be a simple $100 down for you, but I wouldn't know what the state of Texas offers. You'll have to find a website that deals with these things and check it out further.

can we make a thread for this topic, cause I'd really love to figure it out!