A few thoughts on "racism"...

[Swan]

Everybody is a little racist, some people won't admit or can't help it. It just sort of happens in your mind and it is a hard thing to stop. Only one thing that happens with rascism pisses me off.

As Typhoid said, double standards. Whenever people think of racists, they always think of white people. Every race can be racist. When any other race call whites, crackers. It's racism. But not many people care if other races do it.

I've probably already repeated some things, but I'm glad to have said it.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by GameMaster

My question is though, do the Jewish people and/or non-Jewish people consider Jews to be a separate race? It seems like it because they're joked about (at least here) like their a separate race from non-Jewish white people.

Yes.

[Crono]

Jews aren't a seperate race if that's what you're asking. Anyone can be a Jew. However, the Hebrew (if thats what they're still called) peope in particular (who are Jewish) are of Mediterrean descent. They are related to the Arabs, Persians, Turks, Greeks, anyone else in the area.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by TheGame

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Somhow many people managed to steriotype racism. >_> Nice pointless thread.

2) And err, Stu, if there wasn't a need for BET, there wouldn't be one. MTV and VH1 simply don't play the music much, and no other stations show the movies. Unless you believe we should all give into white America's culture.

I like how MTV touches on a bit of everything, but other's can't stand MTV for that reason. :P

1) I dont speak for everyone in my rantings. if you disagree with my views on how racism is evident everywhere you look (even in its most innocent forms), so be it

2) anyone who thinks there's a need for BET is accusing someone of racism. My stance is that BET represents racism. Blacks only. Asians and whites and whatnot not welcome, not included. That's wrong. If someone thinks that general entertainment programming is unfairly excluding a certain race or culture, then the worst thing that person can do is give in, and make that visual boundry.

I'm not saying general entertainment ISNT racist towards or against a certain race or culture...that's not the point.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by Crono

Jews aren't a seperate race if that's what you're asking. Anyone can be a Jew. However, the Hebrew (if thats what they're still called) peope in particular (who are Jewish) are of Mediterrean descent. They are related to the Arabs, Persians, Turks, Greeks, anyone else in the area.

in a literal sense, you're right. but I think what he's asking is if Jews are perceived differently than non-jewish whites (in forms of racist/stereotypical behavior)...and the fact is, they are.

like it or not.

[Ace195]

wow, I never knew how many of you would hate me and hate OMINUB more than me.. I'm racist and I can't help it, sure I have black and mexican friends. But before I ever started talking to them I talked about them caused problems even dropped the name words a few times.. It's just the way I was raised.. If my dad saw a black person in our neighborhood he was like "where does that nigga think he's goin?" I mean I was brought up to dislike certain people..... And belive me I do.. But I'm not 100% racist I learned this in boot camp and ait there are good people out there that are black and mexican and indian.. You just have to get to know them....


Now that itself is a problem.. Eh.. My girlfriend is working on my racism. so I'll leave it at this.. I'm not racist I own a color televison and I have working color computer monitor

[Typhoid]

My dad is super racist, just because the age he was raised in. Like, whenever he sees a black guy on TV or driving and we pass him, he makes a crack about their lips, or something about monkeys, and honestly, i cant stand it. Its not that i dont enjoy a good racist joke, because I love them. Its just that, like, he does it all the god damn time. He saw his first black person in real life when he was like, 15. I saw mine when i was 1.

There were no black people at his highschool.
There are like, 50+ at mine.

In a sesne it disgusts me how racist he is, its not that he just doesnt like black people, he just doesnt like anyone. He'll make a crack about you if your white, but only if your a newfie, from Alberta, or the southern US. Sterotype city.

[Canyarion]

I'm not a racist, I was taught not to be.

IMO race doesn't matter one thing. Other things do though, like the way they act.
Example:

I don't kinda avoid these people because they're black, but because they look tough and a bit dangerous.
If they were white, I would feel exactly the same way about them.

Stereotyping in itself isn't wrong. Just when that makes you discriminate people....

[GameMaster]

Canyarion! Shame on you, never judge a book by it's cover. Those boys look extremely nice. Please apologize to my brothers of the hood for assuming they were tough and a bit dangerous.

[mickydaniels]

And err, Stu, if there wasn't a need for BET, there wouldn't be one. MTV and VH1 simply don't play the music much, and no other stations show the movies. Unless you believe we should all give into white America's culture.

Why is there BET (Black Entertainment Television)? What kind of verbal outbreak would there be if someone established WET?

anyone who thinks there's a need for BET is accusing someone of racism. My stance is that BET represents racism. Blacks only. Asians and whites and whatnot not welcome, not included. That's wrong. If someone thinks that general entertainment programming is unfairly excluding a certain race or culture, then the worst thing that person can do is give in, and make that visual boundry.

If someone thinks that general entertainment is unfairly excluding something, you can't just sit, beg, and wait for them to give you what you want. You've got to do it yourself. They feel that black culture is not being represented well, if at all, on television, so it's up to themselves to get what it is they want. So, what kind of outbreak would there be if there was a White Entertainment Television? There would never be one, because there isn't the need for one. There are so many shows made that feature white people on television, but there's not that many featuring blacks are there?
And second, I wonder why nearly everytime there's a discussion on this topic, BET is almost always brought up, but never Telemundo, Univision, Galavision, TeleFutura, etc. Hardly does anyone complain that those stations are excluding people, even though their business are run in the United States and broadcast from here, too.

White people cannot call a black person a nigger, yet a Spanish person can.

It's not that they can, it's just that they choose too. And it's usually Nigga not the N word.

That is pure garbage. Nigga and nigger are exactly the same word. The main reason why it's pronounced 'nigga' is because many never pronounce the 'er' sound at the end of words. Bigga, betta, sneaka are common pronounciations of simila words.

I don't kinda avoid these people because they're black, but because they look tough and a bit dangerous.

They don't look tough or dangerous, they're just posing for a picture. Wearing a large T-shirt and not smiling in a photo does not make a person dangerous.

[Canyarion]

Ok ok...... that was the best picture I could find that came close to showing my point.

I agree with you, those guys are probably very nice.

But my point is, there are some people you shouldn't mess with. Perhaps not even come too close to.
A few streets from where I live, there's a neighbourhood with people that are.... agressive towards outsiders (did I say that politicly correct?). I don't fear them, but I don't stare at them or talk to them.

It doesn't matter what colour they are, or if they're rockers, rappers or skaters....

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by mickydaniels

If someone thinks that general entertainment is unfairly excluding something, you can't just sit, beg, and wait for them to give you what you want. You've got to do it yourself. They feel that black culture is not being represented well, if at all, on television, so it's up to themselves to get what it is they want. So, what kind of outbreak would there be if there was a White Entertainment Television? There would never be one, because there isn't the need for one. There are so many shows made that feature white people on television, but there's not that many featuring blacks are there?
And second, I wonder why nearly everytime there's a discussion on this topic, BET is almost always brought up,.

Is BET exclusive to black talent? (I dont know for sure, but it seems like it)

If a group of blacks want to form a program that represents blacks in a proportionate rate, that's another thing. Making it 'blacks only', well...I dont see how that makes things any better.

And I bring up BET because it's most commonly known, I use it as an example, not because I have a personal feeling towards it specifically.

[mickydaniels]

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu

Is BET exclusive to black talent? (I dont know for sure, but it seems like it)

No. A lot of black talent, yes, because it's what the people want to see.

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu

If a group of blacks want to form a program that represents blacks in a proportionate rate, that's another thing. Making it 'blacks only', well...I dont see how that makes things any better.

Form a program that shows blacks in a proportional rate?
Let's see, according to the CIA Factbook, blacks make 12.9% of the United States population. That's still not that much is it? Add that to the fact that most blacks live in neighborhoods that are mostly made up of 'blacks only', it kind of does make sense. You wake up everyday, and you only see black people, and there is no reflection of what you experience on television.
And I think even there BET, is nothing but pure garbage, because it is nothing more than a Black MTV, aimed at kids, and accomplishes nothing.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu

Is BET exclusive to black talent? (I dont know for sure, but it seems like it)

If a group of blacks want to form a program that represents blacks in a proportionate rate, that's another thing. Making it 'blacks only', well...I dont see how that makes things any better.

And I bring up BET because it's most commonly known, I use it as an example, not because I have a personal feeling towards it specifically.

Dude, its black cuture, it in no way excludes white people... just the culture. Justin Timberlake, John B, Eminem, N'sync (Why? >_>), Britney Spears, and Christina Agulera get play on the station (Along with a whole host of white acts, some popular, some not so popular) because (some of, and in same cases all of) thier music represents Hip Hop and R&B... If you make a R&B or Rap hit, it doesn't matter what your race is, you get played.

On the same note there are Black country singers and rock bands who get no play what so ever. Its not race, its culture.

If you have cable television, strart from the lowest channel and work your way up. Count how many shows on represent black culture, and if its neutral and doesn't represent any race of people, count it under the race of the first person you see on screen. Black people are definently not equally represented on television, thus there is a need for BET.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by mickydaniels

And I think even there BET, is nothing but pure garbage, because it is nothing more than a Black MTV, aimed at kids, and accomplishes nothing.

I wonder how old you define 'kids' as... hmm. I think at a certain point in the day it is aimed at kids (If you think Music videos are for kids ), but when they start doing comedy and showing movies its aimed at adults.

MTV is an example of trying to make everybody happy... MTV is culture within itself. IT does good to break the barriers between different groups of people and brings us all together. I'd call MTV Rock/Hip-Hop/Pop... with a ton of entertainment insider and reality shows