Big Bang Theory - Page 2

Happydude · 11-02-2003, 02:15 PM

.......got anything to back that up? lol......

Vampyr · 11-02-2003, 02:29 PM

Okay...I think its time to school you all in the art of "wierd theories."

Okay, here is one of my favorite: (Stephen King made this up in a novel called "The Gunslinger")

Each atom is actually a universe. So, our entire universe, including earth, the sun, the planets, OTHER solar systems and OTHER galaxies, they are all inside of an atom of something larger.

So our entire universe very well could be an atom on a blade of grass in a universe even larger. And that universe is actually an atom on something in an even larger universe, and so on. It goes without stopping, an infinite number of universes. And if you were to travel to the very end of the universe, you would see the outside shell of whatever our universe is a part of. For example, you might see a huge blade of grass wrapped around the outside of our universe.

Also, if you were to walk out onto the beach, and kick the sand, you would actually be sending an infinity of infinity of universes spiraling through the air. Because each atom that makes up a grain of sand would be a universe, and within it would be an infinite number of universes.

This doesnt exactly say how the earth was formed, but it is a cool theory about the universe.

As for how this ultimate magnitude of atoms were created, I have no idea. My faith professes that god made it all, so thats what I believe.

Rndm_Perfection · 11-02-2003, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vampyr

Each atom is actually a universe.

I stopped there. If an atom was a universe, our universe would be an atom... a building block for another universe. As well, our atoms would be comprised of atoms.

Infinites do not comply with me. 1/2 of infinite = infinite, infinite + 1 = infinite, infinite * infinite = infinite, the amount of real numbers between 1 and 2 = that between 1 and 4, yet is also double.

I do not like infinites.

Happydude · 11-02-2003, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection

I stopped there. If an atom was a universe, our universe would be an atom... a building block for another universe. As well, our atoms would be comprised of atoms.

Infinites do not comply with me. 1/2 of infinite = infinite, infinite + 1 = infinite, infinite * infinite = infinite, the amount of real numbers between 1 and 2 = that between 1 and 4, yet is also double.

I do not like infinites.

amen.......

Hero2 · 11-02-2003, 06:12 PM

ok my theory on how crap attacts (completed with sientific lingo even)

negitive and positive attract
negitive and negitive repel the same goes for positive and positive
with that said everything is made of theese two things a negitive and a positve force when combined they equal eachother out but what if i take one negitive and two positive(group a) then it will attract one negitive(group b) and be done with it but another negitive ion comes and takes the positve ion so it will be equal ten group b will be pulled vcloser untill both groups share the positve ion untill another one comes along and is pulled into the group evening it out imagine that happening tens of thousands of million of bagillon times and it starts making a planet untill some of the materials degrade and make new moliculs and half life sets in(the molicule form not the game) and gasses form and an atmosphere and bang one planet and only 7 days ohh wait thats the other thery make it crap i cant count that high ohhwell its a long time

...now my head hurts...*passes out from over thought*

Vampyr · 11-02-2003, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Random

I stopped there. If an atom was a universe, our universe would be an atom... a building block for another universe. As well, our atoms would be comprised of atoms.

Infinites do not comply with me. 1/2 of infinite = infinite, infinite + 1 = infinite, infinite * infinite = infinite, the amount of real numbers between 1 and 2 = that between 1 and 4, yet is also double.

I do not like infinites.

I do like infinites. I am a math student and do very well in math, and we math students enjoy inriguing things like "infinite".

Rndm_Perfection · 11-02-2003, 06:25 PM

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God created it all...

But to what extent? Did God just create the materials of the universe and they formed together, or did it "snap its fingers" and planets formed? And, what was on planet? Was it barren and then for millions of years create a livable enviorment, create many species, watch them die, and then produce more through the changing climate?

If you're basing your conclusion on the creation myth, I'd like to point out my confusion about a particular part...

The myth supposedly points out the number of days (seven, I believe) it took to create everything... and then at the end, man(kind) was created. First, I wonder, are the days based on Earth's spin? That is... an "Earth day". Would the seven days include the millions of years of before, after, and during the age of dinosaurs?

I don't expect you to know the answer, I'm just trying to point out that there are quite a few flaws with the "direct" creation of the planet. God, however, could've easily created the materials necessary for the Universe to form itself.

Vampyr · 11-02-2003, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Random

God, however, could've easily created the materials necessary for the Universe to form itself.

Not if he wanted it done in Seven days.

Rndm_Perfection · 11-02-2003, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Vampyr

I do like infinites. I am a math student and do very well in math, and we math students enjoy inriguing things like "infinite".

Err, I also excel at math, but there is a great difference between understanding and pursuing conceptionalization. Strict mathematicians like obvious answers, and that would be the root of why they are good at it. It is scientists who like to "disect" an idea for further understanding. Not even all scientists would "enjoy" the term "infinite".

While there are infinite applications for infinite, it creates a pattern similar to paradoxes... sane scientists hate paradoxes. Even the guy in the wheelchair (err, ignore the fact that I disrespected him by being to lazy to look up his name).

DimHalo · 11-02-2003, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection

But to what extent? Did God just create the materials of the universe and they formed together, or did it "snap its fingers" and planets formed? And, what was on planet? Was it barren and then for millions of years create a livable enviorment, create many species, watch them die, and then produce more through the changing climate?

If you're basing your conclusion on the creation myth, I'd like to point out my confusion about a particular part...

The myth supposedly points out the number of days (seven, I believe) it took to create everything... and then at the end, man(kind) was created. First, I wonder, are the days based on Earth's spin? That is... an "Earth day". Would the seven days include the millions of years of before, after, and during the age of dinosaurs?

I don't expect you to know the answer, I'm just trying to point out that there are quite a few flaws with the "direct" creation of the planet. God, however, could've easily created the materials necessary for the Universe to form itself.

I haven't formed a definate opinion on that. I have thought (when I was a kid) that God created the planet and the first humans along with putting dinosaurs on and such and continued to control (still continues) things to make it what he likes. However, my opinions grow and change everyday so I don't want to take a firm stance on that until I know exactly what I believe.

Vampyr · 11-02-2003, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Random

While there are infinite applications for infinite, it creates a pattern similar to paradoxes... sane scientists hate paradoxes. Even the guy in the wheelchair (err, ignore the fact that I disrespected him by being to lazy to look up his name).

I like paradoxes.

But Im not a scientist. I just find paradoxes entertaining and interesting. Like the "infinite" paradox.

And I think his name is Stephan Hawkins.

Rndm_Perfection · 11-02-2003, 06:39 PM

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Not if he wanted it done in Seven days.

What does it matter anyway? The number of days would be relevant to Earth time. Earth Time. I'd safely say that there is evidence of more than seven Earth days before humans came into existance... even that there were more than seven Earth days before the Earth itself formed in the universe.

Time dictates both intertial and chemical reactions. Even if time was sped up a lot, so that reactions formed what Earth was at the creation of humankind, Earth would've spun around enough times to make many more than seven days. If the time of creation was as fast as seven modern days (assuming we had some magical crystal ball to see it all happen), the number of days in the "image" would be exploded to a massive number, as the rate at which the Earth spins would also be magnified.

Rndm_Perfection · 11-02-2003, 06:41 PM

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continued to control (still continues) things to make it what he likes.

Where's that leave human choice? Is it God's control that you believe in God? Would it be God's control if you gve birth, as only God can create? Does God control my actions as well? That is, my questioning of God's control?

Not trying to pry, but I do not know of others' beliefs.

Bond · 11-02-2003, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection

Where's that leave human choice? Is it God's control that you believe in God? Would it be God's control if you gve birth, as only God can create? Does God control my actions as well? That is, my questioning of God's control?

Not trying to pry, but I do not know of others' beliefs.

Well, all religions have different answers for that question. The basic answer is that you are only applying what we know as humans to your questions. God very well could allow us to have free will, but he could also know what actions we will take.

Blackmane · 11-03-2003, 03:50 AM

We assume that the 7 days to create the Earth were 7 Earth days, but there is no way to determine if a day to God is actually a day to us or a thousand years.

Since we can have no definitive answer to that question, we can only assume that it was not done in 7 Earth days and that depends on the suns orbit of the earth. Since light was not created until day 2 (or 3), that already is pretty good evidence supporting a non-Earth day.