RIAA cracking down on file swappers - Page 2

PuPPeT · 06-26-2003, 01:28 PM

Any organization from any country can sue who every they want the only problem is that RIAA would have to sue some one from the UK in there own country and have to transverse there laws which for the most part unlike the US tend to fall on the consumer side of things a lot more. And as for the governments being able to shut down the p2p program servers there could be a huge shock install for the US when they find that the next gen of p2p are coming out of countries that have no laws to let them do so.

As they say so often the Data must flow!

One Winged Angel · 06-26-2003, 02:43 PM

This will only stop getting rid of file sharing. If RIAA sues someone because they have MP3's in their HD it will not work. Mp3's are perfectly legal, but sharing them isn't. Most people who have music in the HD usually get it from P2P servers, but they can't be arrested until proven that they shared files, because they could've easily gotten their music from ripping a CD or iTunes. This does not go to leechers, since they don't share the files at all. So if it comes to arresting people for file sharing, it'll be very very hard for the RIAA to find people and arrest. So me? I'm not worried about a thing.

also it doesn't help when Record companies boost up the CD prices from 12.99 to 18.99 in 5 years

gekko · 06-26-2003, 02:56 PM

CD prices have not gone up in the past 5 years.

And it's not hard to prove that you shared music. Your ISP keep logs of everything. They could tell you the date and time you got the file. Proving it isn't a problem.

The casual criminals, like One Winged Angel, would **** their pants if the RIAA sent them a later warning them not to continue to download music or they would press charges. Court fees would probably cost more than the fine he would have to pay, so kindly inform them they've been caught, and once they realize they are no longer an invisible person at a computer, they won't download another song. They don't have the balls to stand up to the RIAA, even if they did they would pay huge court fees and fines in damages, because they have no case. They can easily stop the individuals out there that they catch in the act, but they are trying to press charges on the ones where they can get a quarter million in damages.

It's sad though, some college kids lives is going to be ruined. It's a wake up call, but by that time, it's too late.

One Winged Angel · 06-26-2003, 03:08 PM

Well I don't download music from P2P servers anymore. I'm not going to be affected by this hunt now the RIAA is sending out. I download music from a special server that a group of people (and I) share. The RIAA is going to overlook this most likely.

Jason1 · 06-26-2003, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

Well I don't download music from P2P servers anymore. I'm not going to be affected by this hunt now the RIAA is sending out. I download music from a special server that a group of people (and I) share. The RIAA is going to overlook this most likely.

LOL. Sounds like a P2P.

One Winged Angel · 06-26-2003, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason1

LOL. Sounds like a P2P.

It's not. We just upload onto a server and download it. It's different from P2P.

PureEvil · 06-26-2003, 04:42 PM

It's sort of Peer-To-Peer, it's just... A very small group of peers.

gekko · 06-26-2003, 04:45 PM

It's more like an FTP server. Someone sets space on their HD and the server runs that. Then they upload all the stuff onto that server, and the other guys can download it.

Most of them are more for pirated software. Most are also private, others require you to upload while you download, or upload some incredibly rare not-yet-released program (ie. Photoshop 8) to get an account, and a couple are actually free.

One Winged Angel · 06-26-2003, 05:05 PM

Actually, it's exactly a FTP server. Forget what it was called and ****. thnx

But this is privately owned with me and some members of AGB. It's not my server though, but I make my donations

Shadow_Link · 06-28-2003, 03:19 PM

Does this concern the people who download the music, or just the people who offer to share it with those who download the music from them?

gekko · 06-28-2003, 03:53 PM

Both. You're breaking copyright by having music you don't own.

PureEvil · 06-28-2003, 04:02 PM

Generally speaking though, this shouldn't be too big a threat to anyone. They're probably going to be going after the people moving HUGE amounts of copywritten material, and it seems most people aren't downloading/facilitating the upload of hundreds and hundreds of songs each day, and, just look at the odds. Even if the RIAA goes ballistic, we're talking thousands of lawsuits. Being one of the few thousand people who gets picked out of 10 million-plus (as a rough estimate; there are probably more) P2P users isn't overly likely.

Classic Rocker · 06-28-2003, 05:50 PM

they can't get all the p2p users. plus its "sharing" didn't they teach us that in kindergarten?

PureEvil · 06-28-2003, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by knux

plus its "sharing" didn't they teach us that in kindergarten?

Yes, yes! Maybe kindergarten teachers everywhere will come rushing to the defense of P2P participants!

Cyrax9 · 06-28-2003, 07:10 PM

One Word Guys: COUNTERSUIT!

Yes, coutnersuit, why? Because the RIAa does NOT have a Search warrent for every individual Computer Online as of now, if they are snooping through your ISP's logs, and searching your macine, they can be charged with "Invasion of Privacy" and a countersuit for that would hurt them more than anything, they just need to run the razor a little farther ina vertical position along thier arm before they corak.

Gekko is right though, this is only the start of what feels like the old "VCR Battle" but on a much larger scale. I would pay for downloads, if they offered the Discontinued Music I was looking for and were ONLY $0.99 cents a download, but alas, I don't have a Mac yet,a nd the service may be dropped thanks to none other than the RIAA.

Also as Gekko said the people they want first are the dealrs, the guys whoc an fill 20 20GB iPOds in an hour tapping the Phone Grid and the T1 lines, they'll be caught first, next are the distributors, they have files for sharing, and they send one or two, and then they go after the DL'ers like a cop with a speed-trap set up.

Now, the interesting thing is no lawsuit froma celebrity is EVER a good thing for them, these guys at the RIAA are playing Russian Roulette with their buisness. If they sue a fan, or multiple fans, then you can bet a group of angry fans are going to spite them by downloading MORE Music and boycoting the RIAA, only to be caught themseleves, however after so many suits, the RIAA is going to look bad to the guy who has never shared a fil in his life, anyone who is older or younger than the P2P general users. They won't support the RIAA and as CD sales plunge and fans countersue the RIAA is going to continue to dig a deeper grave. When you have to sue yur fans, because you didn't stop the distributor's, that means you're in deep. Also this is going to be the VCR Battle as far as the Lawsuits go again as well. Fans and companies will countersue, Police officers will be arrested for this themselves and that will REALLTY hurt the RIAA, eventually after the "war" two options will be left:

1. A legal filesharing program that you Pay for run almost the same way aP2p network is, which most fans will agree on.

Or,

2. The RIAA and the fans, now fed up with each other, go thier seprate ways, CD Sales decline as people already have enough "Stolen" music hidden away, and because of this, the RIAA "SurrenderS", the Fans and a group of angry artists, the ones making NOTHING off of their own CD's, band together and shut-down the RIAA.

Either way the fans win in the end, if the RIaA sues one too many people, they're going to be under the microscope even more, if they Win fans ill demand a legal P2P network, if they lose, the Fans and angry artists will dissolve them, Rap Artists get screwewd the most (no suprise) by the RIAA but so does eveyrone and right now Artists adn Fans alike despise them, a few Artists, who are pissed off at the RIAA are ENCOURAGING P2P Use for those who "belive theya re paying the artist" when inr eality they most likley are not, the few artis' who have spoken about this try to remainannonmous for obvious reasons, and if the RIAA sues fans,e xpect the Artists to drop the Annonimity and speak forward, either way, the RIAA is going to b in cntempt as much as P2P users for awhile now, this has become a war of sorts, and as a war, it's going to hurt people, not the way bombs do, but the way taxes adn poverty do, everyone will be effected and on that note, I will wait, to see if the RIAA can get their suit's to work, because I honestly belvie in the end, they willf ail, and moe loopholes willa ppear and the RIAA will become the next Microsoft with fans suing them, eventually nobody will win, or the Fans will win in the end, the VCR had this same test and look who won? The fans, simple as that.

What the RIAA doens't relize is theya re now out of the Seller's market and into the BUyer's Market and the buyer's they hurt will most likely nevr buy an RIAA-Related CD again, as a result of this, sales will drop artists will move to indepndant labels and the RIAA will dissolve, they are desperate fi theyr'e suing individuals now, and they should be desperate, they know this is a battle they can't win, not uless they arest every person wiht a computer and CDs, and you'd need a prison the size of the enitre country to do that.