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Old 05-16-2003, 06:43 PM   #16
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My friend and I saw it and...about Neo stopping the sentinals...my friend said that maybe the "real world" was also controlled just like the matrix..it was wierd...I'll have to watch the movie again.
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I thought that the other ships EMP emitter stopped the sentinels that were going for Neo. I don't know. I do know that the sex scene was unessecarialy long. I don't want to see the people of Zion having an orge. I thought the music kicked butt (throughout the whole film).
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Old 05-16-2003, 10:43 PM   #17
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Not really a spoiler(has nothing to do with the plot).

When that girl ate the chocolate cake. Did she pee herself? I wasn't paying much attention.
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Old 05-17-2003, 12:10 AM   #18
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Just saw it this afternoon, I thought it was awesome. Anyway, I thought the battle against the 100 Agent Smiths was really cool. The special effects were great, in regards to the fighting and stuff. I also really enjoyed the love scene between Neo and Trinity. Good movie.
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Old 05-17-2003, 12:33 AM   #19
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some of you are trying to read WAY too into these things. simplest solution is often the correct one.

some of these theories and stuff are just WAY out there.


BTW, you didnt have to stay in the theatre to see the preview for the next one, i already posted it above.
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Old 05-17-2003, 12:35 AM   #20
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Who here thinks Neo secretly enjoyed that little session with the French lady?
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Old 05-17-2003, 12:39 AM   #21
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Who here thinks Neo secretly enjoyed that little session with the French lady?
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Old 05-17-2003, 02:47 AM   #22
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So everyone liked it?

Hmmm...

Me personnally, I wasn't entirely impressed. The special effects were cool, but the fights got derivitive, the orgy was stupid and too long, it didn't flow well, it did not fittingly follow what was laid out by the first one, and Morpheus sucked.

BTW, I loved the first one, so this was all that much more dissapointing considering I had high expectations going in.
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Old 05-17-2003, 10:05 AM   #23
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I saw it last night, and it was a good movie. The beginning third was a bit slow, like all of the stuff in Zion, but I guess they needed that to push the plot over.

The fight with all the Smiths was OK, but some parts were just way too cartoony for me. And I liked those twin ghost guys... What did the oracle say that ghosts were again? Something like watchers of either birds or trees or anything that messed up and showed themselves?

And... I liked the keymaster guy, he was kind of funny.. Yep. And that French dude was kind of comical, and very "slimy". The key to the door was supposed to give Neo the chance to save humanity, but I don't get where he got the "24 hours" from at the end of the movie? I thought that since he went to the left door, everybody would die, not he has a window of 24 hours to save it, lol.

Please answer my questions, somebody!
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Old 05-17-2003, 10:59 AM   #24
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So everyone liked it?

Hmmm...

Me personnally, I wasn't entirely impressed. The special effects were cool, but the fights got derivitive, the orgy was stupid and too long, it didn't flow well, it did not fittingly follow what was laid out by the first one, and Morpheus sucked.
What about Morpheus sucked? I thought it was pretty cool when he defeated the twins.
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Old 05-17-2003, 02:01 PM   #25
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Perhaps this can clear up some of your questions. This is a transcript of the conversation between Neo and the Creator.


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ARCHITECT: Hello Neo

NEO: Who are you

ARCHITECT: I am the architect. I created the Matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions and although the process has altered your consciousness you remain irrevocably human. Ergo some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concurrently while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

NEO: Why am I here

ARCHITECT: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably(Not capable of being persuaded by entreaty; relentless)... here.

NEO: You haven't answered my question

ARCHITECT: Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

(Multiple screens of Neo talking in background)

The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 6th version.

[Multiple neo's talking]

NEO: There are only two possible explanations. Either no one told me, or no one knows.

ARCHITECT: Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering the anomaly is systemic. Creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

[Multiple neo's talking]

NEO: Choice. The problem is choice.

ARCHITECT: The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art. Flawless. Sublime. And triumphed equal only by it's monumental failure. The inevitability of it's doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus I redesigned it. Based on your history. To more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind. Or perhaps, a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another. An intuitive program. Initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be it's mother.

NEO: The oracle

ARCHITECT: Please. As I was saying she stumbled upon a solution where by nearly %99 of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice. Even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory, systemic anomaly. That if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo those who refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

NEO: This is about Zion

ARCHITECT: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. It's every living inhabitant terminated. It's entire existence eradicated.

(Neos onscreen react with anger)

ARCHITECT: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But rest assured, this will be the 6th time we have destroyed it. And we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

[more trinity fight scene]

ARCHITECT: The function of 'the one' is now to return the source allowing a temporary dissemination(diffusion for propagation and permanence; a scattering or spreading abroad, as of ideas, beliefs, etc.) of the code you carry re-inserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals. Sixteen female, seven male to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix. Which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race

NEO: You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive

ARCHITECT: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world. It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation (contingent affirmation = possible to be true. Check dictionary.com ) that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species facilitating the function of 'the one'. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. (?) Love.

NEO: Trinity

ARCHITECT: (?) She entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

NEO: No...

ARCHITECT: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source and the salvation of Zion. The door to your left leads to back to the matrix, to her and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you are going to do don't we. Already I can see the chain reaction. The chemical precursors(indications) that signal the onset of an emotion. Designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth; she is going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

[Neo walks to door on his left]

ARCHITECT: Hope. It is the quintessential(the most typical) human delusion simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness.

NEO: If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

ARCHITECT: We won't.
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Old 05-17-2003, 02:38 PM   #26
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That's cool, where'd you get that script?
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Old 05-17-2003, 03:20 PM   #27
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I found it on another forum. the guy who posted it wouldnt say where he got it.
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Old 05-17-2003, 08:45 PM   #28
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I just saw the movie. That was the best movie I've seen for a long time. I'm probably going to be seeing it 2 or 3 times more.
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Old 05-18-2003, 12:05 AM   #29
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i just saw it again...and umm....wow... i still am just as confused as b4


btw, props for mentioning the Osirus in reloaded
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Old 05-18-2003, 03:41 PM   #30
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***SPOILERS*** (Not really, but just so people don't get angry)













Well, I just got done seeing it. Great movie. But I see no point in trying to predict what has happened or will happen. It's probably better to just wait for Revolutions. Some of you may not know this though:

Morpheus = The Father
Neo = Jesus Christ
Trinity = Holy Spirit

Now, keeping this in mind. If you want to know what I think will happen is that there will be an apocalyptic battle in which good will win over evil. In Revolutions that is.
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