Sony's PSP vs. Ninendo's GBA

[BreakABone]

Originally posted by TheGame
Gekko, GBA's outsell GCN, that means GBA owners own Ps2, and there is a good chance that most GBA owners own Ps2s... so how do they have no name in that market?

Well if the console/handheld market crossed over so wel don't you think the sales of the Cube would have been better?

Sony is the biggest name in the game industry, period. Nintendo had that crown, but thier ignorance killed them... if Sony could step into the game industry as a whole and dominate Nintendo's console, why can't they do it in the handheld market?

I don't see why everyone is comparing the PSX/N64 situation with the GBA and well anything.

Even though Nintendo was the market leader, they were entering the console market on somewhat equal footing as Sony since they were releasing a new console as well.

In this case, Nintendo's console is long out and has an establisted fanbase. It's gonna take a helluva an effort to get their fanbase plus the support of developers.

I mean logically speaking, would a developer develop for a handheld with an install userbase of 35 million or one with none? Will gamers buy a handheld with a couple of games or go with one that has over a thousand?

I like this quote

"Sony is trying to grab a completely different market, where they have no name."

They have a MUCH bigger name then the had when they first started making consoles, and still dominated...

Handheld and console has for the most part pretty much remained seperate. Even though Nintendo fell from grace somewhat on the console side, their handheld has always done well, and it's not for a lack of competition. In it's time The GB in all it's forms has dealt with many handhelds the Nomad, GameGear, Game.com, Atari Lynx, WonderSwan and many others.

And the PSP is still a ways off, who's to say Nintendo won't re-release yet another update to the GBA, I mean the SP was announced and sjipped in like 2 months.

Also what part of the market will Sony grab? The GBA unlike consoles seems to go past age or anything. I mean you will see little kids, teens, adults, everybody using a GBA or one of it's forms.

[gekko]

Originally posted by TheGame
Gekko, GBA's outsell GCN, that means GBA owners own Ps2, and there is a good chance that most GBA owners own Ps2s... so how do they have no name in that market?

Don't mix facts. Sony has no name in the handheld market in the same way Nintendo has no name in the TV industry.

Sony is the biggest name in the game industry, period.

No, Sony has the best selling console of today. Nintendo has been around longer, with more generations of people growing up with Nintendo as a household name. Plus, Nintendo still owns the handheld market. Sony makes a successful console, Nintendo is responsible for the survival of the game industry, has been around for over a quarter century, completely dominates the handheld industry, and their games are widely regarded as the best in the world.

Nintendo had that crown, but thier ignorance killed them... if Sony could step into the game industry as a whole and dominate Nintendo's console, why can't they do it in the handheld market?

Sony had a lucky break. Nintendo has dominated the handheld market for over a decade. You just don't step in and chance that, in the same way Nintendo and Microsoft can't just walk in and expect PS2 to crumble. You may survive, but you're sitting 2nd chair, by a long shot.

They have a MUCH bigger name then the had when they first started making consoles, and still dominated...

In that case, maybe you should try reading the quote a few more times. Don't know what you're talking about. What I am saying is that Sony tries to target the adult gamer with PS2. Their current audience, the ones with whom they have a name, is not the same people that buy handheld machines. Handhelds are mainly played by the younger demographic, the kind Sony seemed to want to avoid for the last 6 years. The one that so many people say belongs to Nintendo.

[bobcat]

I think you also have to look @ it from a developers point of view.

Just because Sony dominates the console market, doesn't automatically mean it will dominate the handheld. Competition I don't even think will come into it.

The GBA is in a league of its own. Titles are selling immensley. Why would developers want to even comprehend risking all this just to go with a more powerful/versatile handheld device? .

Even if they were just to port a few titles, or exclusively make some, it would take a VERY long time to even catch up to half of GBA's ownage in handheld.

[DeathsHand]

I think a lot of people (especially people who don't like Sony, or like Nintendo more) are obviously gonna think the thing's gonna crash and burn... Or not do nearly as well as GB... And it might, but with the PS name (and some good developer support, graphics, and no crazy high price), it could stand a chance... Handhelds are mainly for kids, yada blah, but I mean first of all you probably only say that because it's small, portable, and cheap... But are there facts that actually say that? I mean I could go ahead and say back in the SNES day, most gamers were kids and then Sony came along and brought it to more mainstream adults (which is actually partially true, since they did help gaming become more mainstream and not just some dorky kid thing anymore)... And they did just fine...

And I highly doubt Sony is planning on jumping into the race 3 years after GBA and expecting to catch up in sales... Maybe they're trying to do something like getting a jump on the NEXT GB... Or trying to get their foot in the door of the handheld market...

I'm not saying oooo this handheld is teh best thing since sliced bread omg down with Nintendo Sony shall destroy them at their own game!11 I'm just saying I think it could be some worthy competition... And is that really a bad thing?

I remember at the beginning of this generation, Nintendo fans were saying some of the exact same things... Oooo with PSX Sony just got a lucky break, yada yada, blah blah, PS2 is having problems, NGC will return Nintendo to the glory days of SNES!... Did that happen? No...

Now it's about the handheld market and people are saying "I doubt they can make it in this market, with PSX they just got lucky blah blah!"... And while maybe they did just get lucky, it doesn't mean they don't have a chance... with PSX they came into the market with ABSOLUTELY NO name recognition... Going into the handheld market, at least now they have recognition in the gaming industry in general... And while handheld and home consoles are a bit different, it's still just videogames...

And sorry that I ramble too much

[TheGame]

Well if the console/handheld market crossed over so wel don't you think the sales of the Cube would have been better?

No, I think GBA is the second priority compared to the Cube... and I think handheld sales reflect ther console counterpart, not the other way around. Now, the reason GBA doesn't reflect the GCN is simply because Sony hasn't enterd the handheld market yet.

I don't see why everyone is comparing the PSX/N64 situation with the GBA and well anything.

Even though Nintendo was the market leader, they were entering the console market on somewhat equal footing as Sony since they were releasing a new console as well.

In this case, Nintendo's console is long out and has an establisted fanbase. It's gonna take a helluva an effort to get their fanbase plus the support of developers.

I mean logically speaking, would a developer develop for a handheld with an install userbase of 35 million or one with none? Will gamers buy a handheld with a couple of games or go with one that has over a thousand?

you are as ignorant as Nintendo if you believe this...

Also, I'm not saying PSP has a chance of outselling GBA overall, but it has a chance of beating it month to month, and even worse, beating out Nintendo's next handheld release.

By your moronic logic, why develop games for GCN if the Psx is out there with an 100 million person userbase??? Any reason you could give for GCN in this case, I could give for the PSP... so take your logic and flush it.

Handheld and console has for the most part pretty much remained seperate. Even though Nintendo fell from grace somewhat on the console side, their handheld has always done well, and it's not for a lack of competition. In it's time The GB in all it's forms has dealt with many handhelds the Nomad, GameGear, Game.com, Atari Lynx, WonderSwan and many others.

When has a company with a bigger name in the Console industry came and competed with Nintendo in the Handheld industy? Never. The closest thing was Sega, and Game Gear didn't do terrible, it just didn't win, just like Genesis vs SNES, didn't to terrible, but didn't win.

Also what part of the market will Sony grab? The GBA unlike consoles seems to go past age or anything. I mean you will see little kids, teens, adults, everybody using a GBA or one of it's forms.

the same part Psx grabbed when games were supposed to be "just for kids"

Also, if you haven't noticed, kids like mature games more than cartoony games... so if it remains a kid-only market Sony still has a chance.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by gekko
Don't mix facts. Sony has no name in the handheld market in the same way Nintendo has no name in the TV industry.

The handheld market is only a faction of the "game" industry, where Sony has the biggest name.

No, Sony has the best selling console of today. Nintendo has been around longer, with more generations of people growing up with Nintendo as a household name. Plus, Nintendo still owns the handheld market. Sony makes a successful console, Nintendo is responsible for the survival of the game industry, has been around for over a quarter century, completely dominates the handheld industry, and their games are widely regarded as the best in the world.

at a time you could say the same thing for Atari... right now, they are simply not on top, period. If they were, GCN would have at LEAST demolished Xbox.

Sony had a lucky break. Nintendo has dominated the handheld market for over a decade. You just don't step in and chance that, in the same way Nintendo and Microsoft can't just walk in and expect PS2 to crumble. You may survive, but you're sitting 2nd chair, by a long shot.

Lucky break??? Sony came in with weaker hardware and no name and beat the hell out of the champion (at that time)... Sony comes in with weaker hardware again, and beats the hell out of them, again. Lucky break my ass.

In that case, maybe you should try reading the quote a few more times. Don't know what you're talking about. What I am saying is that Sony tries to target the adult gamer with PS2. Their current audience, the ones with whom they have a name, is not the same people that buy handheld machines. Handhelds are mainly played by the younger demographic, the kind Sony seemed to want to avoid for the last 6 years. The one that so many people say belongs to Nintendo.

You know, Ps2 isn't selling only to adults... like I said to BAB, Kids like Adult games more than cartoonish kid games. I dunno why, but they prefer "cool" over "kiddy"

Sony realized this in the console industry, and dominatd, MS knows it, that's why they are keeping up with Nintendo... and Nintendo is blind to it, that why they haven't shown any improvment sales wise after the SNES.

[Seven7]

Here is a site I found that has Japanese text but still has pics of the PSP disks and system info.... HERE ..


Also there is at least one guy out there making his version of a portable version of PS1..
HERE or at Main Page at about 2/3rds down page. He has plans for other newer systems too if you look around you'll see.

[GameKinG]

The console market wasnt as dominated by Nintendo as the handheld is, and GBA is already a huge success.

[DeathsHand]

Originally posted by GameKinG
The console market wasnt as dominated by Nintendo as the handheld is, and GBA is already a huge success.

So I guess Nintendo has no chance of ever overthrowing Sony because they're pretty much dominating the console market? I doubt any Nintendo fans would agree to that...

[Perfect Stu]

I doubt the PSP will compete head-to-head with the GBA/GBA2. I'm thinking the PSP will be a portable gaming system, music and movie player. I think the PSP will be a multi-media handheld, not just a 'pocket console'. It's Sony's way of taking handheld devices (other than cell phones) mass market/mainstream. If the PSP acts as a decently priced portable movie player, it could find a completely new market and attract gamers and non gamers alike.

[GameKinG]

Well, probably not this generation or next even. For Nintendo to over throw just the name of PS alone (I think its obvious thats where most sales end up coming from) it would be a continual proccess of waring it down. Now sony has what 70%, 75? GB has 98, or something like that.

[DeathsHand]

Originally posted by GameKinG
Well, probably not this generation or next even. For Nintendo to over throw just the name of PS alone (I think its obvious thats where most sales end up coming from) it would be a continual proccess of waring it down. Now sony has what 70%, 75? GB has 98, or something like that.

Well Nintendo's loss of control of the market happened pretty fast...

NES: Ruled the world
SNES: Kind of half and half, a bit of a lead over Genisis I think
N64: Lost to Sony by quite a bit

yep...

But eh wuteva...

[Jonbo298]

But at least Nintendo's quality didn't go down over the years. They still create classics to this day. But I also think Sony will have their own niche in the handheld market. Nintendo is the only one that makes consoles/handhelds for games and not all this other "stuff" I really don't want to pay for if I already own it. ie: DVD Player.
*End Rant*

[Perfect Stu]

So because Nintendo makes consoles just for games means their games are better?

In my opinion, not only is the PS2's game library far superior to Gamecube's, but it has the added feature of CD and DVD play...not to mention online play

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by Jonbo298
But at least Nintendo's quality didn't go down over the years. They still create classics to this day. But I also think Sony will have their own niche in the handheld market. Nintendo is the only one that makes consoles/handhelds for games and not all this other "stuff" I really don't want to pay for if I already own it. ie: DVD Player.
*End Rant*

Nintendo's quality hasn't gone down, but I must say that Sony's quality has gone up over the years.

Correct me if I am wrong, but since the PS2 uses DVD videogame format for their disks, doesn't there have to be a DVD player included in the machine? If so, the "stuff" that you speak of saves buyers money, and lets them do much more with a videogame system.

And that was a pretty crappy rant if you ask me, lol.