Global Politics - Page 2

Bond · 03-08-2003, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by Mushlafa
Excuse me for not noin much bout the US.. but doesnt the US have something like 3000 nukes? yet they're afraid that like iraq might have a few but its ok for them to have 3000? I dont get that... they're goin after a bunch of countries with nukes and are like.. ok.. get rid of your nukes or risk war..

Lo
sorry if im way off tho

It's time to sound the misinformed alarm!!!

Iraq signed a little treaty... might want to read up on that. And a couple of U.N. resolutions also.

Professor S · 03-08-2003, 06:16 PM

The problem isn't with any country that owns nukes. If that were true we would be going after France, Pakistan, India, China, etc. The problem is with countries that have shown to be hawkish and unwillingness to work with the world community.

This is the reason why we have to deal with Iraq NOW. It is said that an armed conflict with North Korea would cause between 3 and 5 MILLION casualties on all sides, including unprovoked nuclear strikes on South Korea and Japan. We HAVE to deal with North Korea diplomatically because the price has become too high to deal with them otherwise.

The goal with Iraq is the prevent them from becoming another North Korea.

gekko · 03-08-2003, 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by Mushlafa
Excuse me for not noin much bout the US.. but doesnt the US have something like 3000 nukes? yet they're afraid that like iraq might have a few but its ok for them to have 3000? I dont get that... they're goin after a bunch of countries with nukes and are like.. ok.. get rid of your nukes or risk war..

Lo
sorry if im way off tho

They have 10,600 according the last count. Remember the Cold War? These are leftovers. Russia has a ton too. If you're wondering, yes, the US has the ability to destroy every man, woman, and child in the world 5 times.

The US is also destroying them. We had something like 65,000 during the Cold War. The world doesn't have to fear the US, unless they attack us, and with more than sticks and stones.

See, what you Canadian folks fail to realize is that the US is not a dictatorship. Bush can't just say "Nuke Iraq" and they launch the missle. That's not how it works.

The world doesn't have to fear the US, they are not likely to use a nuclear bomb. Would the US if North Korea launched a nuclear weapon at the US? Probably. Would the US if Iraq used a WMD on the US? They would surely consider it. Would the US if the world was about to end and it was the last resort? You can bet on it, or they could use something more powerful. Still, the point is the US isn't going to threaten to nuke another country, they aren't going on the offensive launching nuclear weapons all over the place. Will Iraq? Yes. Go watch the Sum of All Fears. Remember the scene of Baltimore when the bomb explodes? Pretend it's Toronto. Now ask yourself this, is it better for an entire city to be demolished and millions of people dead, or to stop Iraq now, before that becomes a reality?

Joeiss · 03-08-2003, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by gekko

See, what you Canadian folks fail to realize is that the US is not a dictatorship. Bush can't just say "Nuke Iraq" and they launch the missle. That's not how it works.

Canada can.

Well, kinda... and I doubt we have nukes.. lol

gekko · 03-08-2003, 08:07 PM

Canada doesn't have any of its own, but it did house US nukes until 1984.

Of course, Canada also has the US to protect is. The ocean barrier won't help if someone invades from Canada.

Mushlafa · 03-09-2003, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by gekko

Will Iraq? Yes.

Again im very misinformed about anything but why would you go out and say something like.. would the US do this? hell no... but woudl Iraq .. oh yeah they would for sure..

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Originally posted by gekko

Now ask yourself this, is it better for an entire city to be demolished and millions of people dead, or to stop Iraq now, before that becomes a reality?

and kill just as many in the process....

gekko · 03-09-2003, 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by Mushlafa
and kill just as many in the process....

Hardly.

Just be happy you live in Canada, you won't have to worry about a dirty bomb exploding in your backyard.

Ravishing Rick Rude · 03-09-2003, 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by gekko
Hardly.

Just be happy you live in Canada, you won't have to worry about a dirty bomb exploding in your backyard.

Yea, we also dont' have to listen to a brain dead leader everyday on every major station, or have the largest rumour starting news
program in the entire world, CNN as our Flag-Ship news program.

Ah well, you are right about the bomb thing

" It's not that i want to kill bush. It's i'd just rather him ...not...be Alive..."

playa_playa · 03-10-2003, 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by gekko

See, what you Canadian folks fail to realize is that the US is not a dictatorship. Bush can't just say "Nuke Iraq" and they launch the missle. That's not how it works.

sure about that? Cuz I mean the President CAN bomb another country for 100days w/o the consent of Congress...

B4 everyone gets upset, yes, this is a democracy. And I'd rather have the U.S. have nukes than any other country. But the means for someone of higher authority to screw it up are there if you look for it hard enough. I mean, watch Dr. Strangelove for chrissake.

gekko · 03-10-2003, 11:01 PM

It's 90 days, and there are different proceedures for nuclear weapons.

Joeiss · 03-11-2003, 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by Ravishing Rick Rude
" It's not that i want to kill bush. It's i'd just rather him ...not...be Alive..."

LOL. Family Guy?

And.... I think the war might start on Friday night. Yep. So watch the news on Friday!

The Duggler · 03-11-2003, 11:57 AM

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The problem is with countries that have shown to be hawkish and unwillingness to work with the world community

You mean, with the United States

Your country's lifestyle with it's pure capitalism and being the most powerful nation nowadays, is destroying this planet. Soon there won't be anymore oil, drinkable water is also running short, what about trees, animals etc...? I don't say that the other countries are better, but as the #1 nation you should be more careful and give the example, instead of fighting for whatever is left.

That is maybe why so many people hate your country. Do you really think that getting Saddam out of Iraq will solve anything? As long as money will carry out your country (and the world), things won't change.

gekko · 03-11-2003, 03:20 PM

Well, if it's not Mr. Amish the preacher-boy! Why aren't you helping out?

Want to conserve oil? Stop driving and heating your home. Drinking water is running low, so stop drinking. Trees are a problem, stop using paper and wood. Animals? Stop eating meat.

I'm sure somewhere in your anti-American mind you can dig something up besides enviormental issues. You're disapointing me Ranzid.

The Duggler · 03-11-2003, 03:32 PM

Oh trust me, America does suck!

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Originally posted by gekko
Well, if it's not Mr. Amish the preacher-boy! Why aren't you helping out?

Want to conserve oil? Stop driving and heating your home. Drinking water is running low, so stop drinking. Trees are a problem, stop using paper and wood. Animals? Stop eating meat

Like it's going to change something

It would be stupid to stop living like the majority just because I think the way we live is wrong, because it won't change nothing and why oh why should I give myself some more trouble (life is already hard enough as it is - we don't all live with our parents like you) while the rest of the population is sucking this planet dry anyway?

Oh and drinking water doesn't make it disappear you know, polluting it with your billions making industries does.

playa_playa · 03-11-2003, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by gekko
It's 90 days, and there are different proceedures for nuclear weapons.

So it's 90 days. Doesn't change the fact that it could trigger a serious conflict, no?

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Your country's lifestyle with it's pure capitalism and being the most powerful nation nowadays, is destroying this planet. Soon there won't be anymore oil, drinkable water is also running short, what about trees, animals etc...? I don't say that the other countries are better, but as the #1 nation you should be more careful and give the example, instead of fighting for whatever is left.

Perhaps. But if other nations are no better, wouldn't that mean that we ARE setting some kind of an example? THink about it, other countries are restrained from doing worse because of the example we set. It's a simple logical inference.

Doing bad or good for the environment is a fairly nebulous distinction. The distinction made would have to be based on the effects the US leaves on the environment. And measuring that can be difficult.

Pure Capitalism? Last I checked, laissez-faire went out of style in this country way back in the 19th century.

This anti-Americanism amuses me. It amuses me in that people are thinking that they would behave much better had they been in America's shoes. Well, I happen to believe that human nature relates to circumstances. So it wouldn't surprise me to find French, German or Russian people acting like Americans had they been in America's shoes.