GCN vs Xbox

[Jason1]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
XBox urinates on Gamecube...

Xbox has the most impressive 2003/early 2004 lineup of any system on the market

-Halo 2
-Perfect Dark 2
-Fable
-Starcraft: Ghost
-B.C.
-Star Wars: KOTOR
-Deus Ex 2

What does Gamecube have to compete with that?

Zelda: WW? I'll give you that one...
FF:CC? Quite possibly...
Animal Crossing 2? To some people, maybe...but not for me
Mario Golf/Tennis? ..... Fun games, they may be...but nothing killer

Say whatever you want about me being an Idiot, but here is my honest opinoin, bash if you want.

Out of those games on the X-Box, the only ones that intrest me at all are Halo 2 and Perfect Dark 2. But knowing Rare, we wont see Perfect Dark 2 in early 2004. I really dont feel like going through my list of wanted Cube titles. There area lot, way more than 2. So IMO the Cube beats the XBox this year. But it wont sales wise, because the Cube's 3rd party titles dont sell, because all we Cube fans really want are Nintendo's own games. Im not much different, most of my games are Cube exclusive. But why should Nintendo be punished for making the best first party games? Thats exactly whats happening.

[Joeiss]

How are they being punished for making "the best" third party games? You Cube owner's are the people who are not buying third party games.

[DarkMaster]

Originally posted by Jason1
because all we Cube fans really want are Nintendo's own games. Im not much different, most of my games are Cube exclusive. But why should Nintendo be punished for making the best first party games? Thats exactly whats happening.

more the reason why Nintendo should leave video game console manufacturing and become a third, or even second, party developer for some other system. Their games are good now, imagine if 100% of their focus was on game development? surely the results would be grand and hence forth would not be a morbid decision.

they could become the greatest game developers in the world. It's just like Sega, the best games for most of the Sega consoles were first party developed. they lost money manufacturing consoles, so they became a company which only developed games, and right now they are producing some very fine titles.

I dont want to see Nintendo go down in a fit of stubborness "The day Nintendo stops producing video game consoles is the day they leave the video game industry" that quote does not sit well with me.

[fingersman]

As usual no one is paying attention to my lovely post that took me a couple of minutes to compose.

[Dyne]

Having both the Xbox and the Gamecube, and loving both of them to death, what I find myself playing more is the Gamecube. I don't know, Gamecube has that undefinable click you usually find in great products. The whole package is.. compact, yet delivers quality. And, games like Super Monkey Ball 2 or Metroid Prime just yearn to be played again and again. Xbox just does not have the complete package of what I'm looking for in games, but still has some excellent titles that I know are worth playing.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Jason1
Say whatever you want about me being an Idiot, but here is my honest opinoin, bash if you want.

Out of those games on the X-Box, the only ones that intrest me at all are Halo 2 and Perfect Dark 2. But knowing Rare, we wont see Perfect Dark 2 in early 2004. I really dont feel like going through my list of wanted Cube titles. There area lot, way more than 2. So IMO the Cube beats the XBox this year. But it wont sales wise, because the Cube's 3rd party titles dont sell, because all we Cube fans really want are Nintendo's own games. Im not much different, most of my games are Cube exclusive. But why should Nintendo be punished for making the best first party games? Thats exactly whats happening.

Xbox!!! Xbox!!! Xbox!!!

THE NAME OF THE CONSOLE IS Xbox!!!!

It is great that Nintendo consoles always have good 1st party support. Which makes for great games made by Nintendo. But if Nintendo consoles continue to only have good games from Nintendo, and those are the only games that sell, they will never be the #1 console in the market.

I am actually playing my GameCube more currently, because of SoA:L. But I have put more hours into my Xbox overall.

[BreakABone]

Originally posted by DarkMaster
more the reason why Nintendo should leave video game console manufacturing and become a third, or even second, party developer for some other system. Their games are good now, imagine if 100% of their focus was on game development? surely the results would be grand and hence forth would not be a morbid decision.

they could become the greatest game developers in the world. It's just like Sega, the best games for most of the Sega consoles were first party developed. they lost money manufacturing consoles, so they became a company which only developed games, and right now they are producing some very fine titles.

I dont want to see Nintendo go down in a fit of stubborness "The day Nintendo stops producing video game consoles is the day they leave the video game industry" that quote does not sit well with me.

Well as far as I could tell Nintendo has always enjoyed the hardware business because they get to tailor make the console to their liking, I mean how often is it that you find a 1st or 2nd party game on Nintendo that doesn't seem fit for it. As much as folks say the GCN controller is akward, almost every first and second party game I play/own seems to fit the layout of the controller perfectly as well as seems to take the systems faster load time into account. I mean how is it that most of Nintendo's 1st and 2nd part games have no load times compared to some of the 3rd party stuff.

And the fact of the matter there is nothing that is forcing Nintendo's hand, I mean their console still sells, most of the first party stuff hits around a million worldwide and well the GBA still makes them lots of money.

As for the real subject at hand, I ain't saying jack.

Yes it is.

Why don't you guys wait until after E3 or later down this year to make this comparsion??

Oh yeah BTW..............GC will own Xbox this year. Once Mario Kart Online is released this year. j/k heh heh heh heh.


But on a serious note here's a list of exclusive/good games that are coming for XBox
This list is based off of my opinion. The exclusive games will have an asterix next to them

Malice *

Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Tides of War ( if it improves on the PC version it'll be good)

Dino Crisis 3

B.C.

Star Wars: KOTOR

Deus Ex 2


Madden NFL 2004 ( don't play sports games but I know sports fans are waiting for this one)

Soul Calibur II

StarCraft: Ghost ( woot woot)

Halo 2 ( everyone's favourite game)*

Dead or Alive: Code Cronus*

Fable ( hopefully it will come out this year)*

Kameo: Elements of Power ( One of Rare's games)*

Suikoden III ( I saw this on a release list )

Ninja Gaiden ( this a game I want on GC damn)*

Perfect Dark ( most likely this will be online and own all)*

And I'm sure they are a few other greart games that will be announced for this year


now for the GC

Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker *( Nintendo's first big game)

1080° Avalanche* ( might be good if they fix that control that everyone is complaining about)

Splinter Cell

F-Zero GC* ( I'm not particularly hyped about this game but some people are)

Product Number 3 (P.N.03) ( not to sure if it will remain exclusive ...it could follow the way of Splinter Cell)

Soul Calibur II

Madden NFL 2004 ( providing EA doesn't cancel all the support)

Viewtiful Joe ( meh feel free to tell me to take this off)

Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life ( this is one of the games I'm checking for so there)

StarCraft: Ghost

Dead Phoenix

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles* ( this one should be good)

Mario Kart for GameCube* ( woot woot woot woot)

Star Fox Armada* ( woot woot)

Tales of Phantasia RPG ( another rpg Nintendo needs em)

Too Human

Malice isn't an Xbox exclusive as I believe there is a Ps2 version in the works as well, but for the purpose of Xbox vs GCN it is exclusive.

I believe Dino Crisi 3 is exclusive to the Xbox.

Harvest Moon: A Wonderfl Life is exclusive to the Cube as far as I could tell.

too Human is exclusive that much I know.

[fingersman]

Malice isn't coming to GC therefore it is 2/3 exclusive so there.

[Jonbo298]

Originally posted by BreakABone
Well as far as I could tell Nintendo has always enjoyed the hardware business because they get to tailor make the console to their liking, I mean how often is it that you find a 1st or 2nd party game on Nintendo that doesn't seem fit for it. As much as folks say the GCN controller is akward, almost every first and second party game I play/own seems to fit the layout of the controller perfectly as well as seems to take the systems faster load time into account. I mean how is it that most of Nintendo's 1st and 2nd part games have no load times compared to some of the 3rd party stuff.

And the fact of the matter there is nothing that is forcing Nintendo's hand, I mean their console still sells, most of the first party stuff hits around a million worldwide and well the GBA still makes them lots of money.

3rd party companies basically just take the most likely crappy looking PS2 version with the long load times and just chance the code. Sometimes a company will try and shorten it, but some don't want to waste time and would rather just rush a quick port to make more money. But I'm not saying all 3rd party companies are bad. Some take the time to make sure it looks halfway better.

[ZeroCool51]

Gamecube has Zelda enough said.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by Jonbo298
3rd party companies basically just take the most likely crappy looking PS2 version with the long load times and just chance the code. Sometimes a company will try and shorten it, but some don't want to waste time and would rather just rush a quick port to make more money. But I'm not saying all 3rd party companies are bad. Some take the time to make sure it looks halfway better.

A lot of non-exclusive 3rd party games start with the PS2 hardware. But you see, PS2 has earned its position as that console. Third parties know, for the most part, that their games will sell much better on the PS2 than Gamecube. Does that mean the game won't push GC's hardware as far as it can go? In most cases, most definately...But why spend the most time with the GC hardware and have your game sell 100,000 copies instead of spending some more time with the PS2 hardware, have it sell 500,000-1,000,000 copies, and then port to Gamecube and have it sell 50-100,000 copies?

I am happy to see games like Splinter Cell made for the XBox hardware, then a 'port' that's made specifically for the PS2 hardware (and it looks pretty darn good for a PS2 game). That's a step in the right direction, for damn sure. Kudos to Ubisoft for the extra effort.

And BreakABone...why not comment? Controversy was one of your stronger points...don't abandon it

[TheGame]

For this topic's sake... an exclusive is somthing that comes out on GCN/Xbox and isn't coming out for Xbox/GCN. Leave Ps2 out of it.

In this topic, NBA 2k4 is exclusive to Xbox because it ain't coming out for GC and Def Jam Vendetta is exclusive to GC because it ain't coming out for Xbox.

[Shadow Fox]

Hmm...kinda hard to pit the two against each other, as IMO, both haven't lived up to their promises.

Xbox, for being the "hardcore" choice for the "mature" gamer, sure has seen alot of crap that just happened to be "exclusive". Kabuki Warriors, Kakuto Chojin, Bruce Lee, Azurik, Obi-Wan...I mean wtf? Then you finally get a game that uses the Xbox HD for more than just textures, and you end up with a mediocre platformer (Blinx) with unrealistic movements and uninspiring characters. Yawn.

True, Halo is a killer-app to end all killer apps...but didn't this game come out in 2001? Why is it STILL on top of the Xbox sales list? And why the hell was it outsold by Super Smash Bros: Melee nearly 2:1; a game that came out a month later with a much more child-friendly image? BTW, it's 2003, and Halo still retails for 49.99. Whoop-de-damn do.

Not that GCN has been an angel either. While there are alot less crappy exclusives, I'll have to admit personally that playing Die Hard: Vendetta, Universal Studios, Sum of All Fears, and SpongeBob Squarepants was utterly painful. I mean, there's this one game that sits Xbox on its ass graphically (StarWars Rogue Leader), and nothing much afterwards barring StarFox Adventures (complete with stutter checkpoints seen in Halo/Splinter Cell), and Metroid Prime.

RE/RE0 will get props when PS2/Xbox develop a game soley built around 3DS character models. Excellent they are, but RE4 on the horizon in full 3D, based on what I've seen this year, is impossible on both pieces of hardware. Could this possibly be the same company that re-released 5-6 year-old ports for $40?? You gotta be killing me.

Let's not mention hardware sales; as both systems combined are barely one quarter the size of the market leader (to be remain unnamed for the wishes of the thread starter)

So really, who's to rant on what? Who's to say what's better? They both suck IMO, and unless you didn't think anything of either console since launch you should feel the same way as far as expectations are concerned. End rant.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Perfect Stu]

SF's rant was interesting...to me it sounded like one giant "BAH!" which would seem appropriate to what he was trying to convey.

I'm disappointed with both XBox and Gamecube so far...but that doesn't mean things can't change. For Xbox...Why ignore (maybe that's the wrong word?) Halo 2, Fable, Perfect Dark 2, etc. based on the system's past (which you call utterly disappointing, to which many will argue against)? Rare is on board, and they have a past of VERY high quality games. Microsoft is more than likely giving them more of an opportunity to fully utilize their creativity. "The sky's the limit"...well, apparently in Rare's fairly recent past, Nintendo's franchises/restrictions have been the limit. Conker was a step in the right direction (in some areas)...Possibly we'll see some newer, more original ideas?

As for Gamecube...it's hard to say. "One man's trash is another man's treasure." To some, many (if not most, if not *gasp* all) of Nintendo's efforts are considered instant classics. Others will disagree completely. I think the problem with the system is that it gets TOO close to limiting the consumer to the Nintendo brand, and the Nintendo brand only. 3rd parties, for the most part, have chosen to unleash their big dawgs on one of the other two systems (Resident Evil being the big exception). If your gaming interests are primarly >NINTENDO<, the system has delivered to a certain extent, and I'm sure will deliver in coming years. Most gamers want more variety (the whole 'mature games' crap has been beaten to death one too many times...I'll stay away from that) in their system.

Luckily, as all gamers will agree, there's something out there for everyone. Be it mostly XBox, mostly Gamecube, mostly PS2 or mostly PC...pick and choose the games that fit your gaming interests, and try not to think much about the ones that don't.

[TheGame]

Well, you guys seem too look at them both much worse than me... The way I see it, GCN is better than I expected in some areas, but much worse in other areas.

GCN isn't the hybrid N64/Psx mix I wanted it to be... it seemed to get much better in the third party department, while messing with everything that made N64 great IMO.

I mean, Celda replaces Zelda... not a biggie in my opinion. But now the WWE Games N64 had are gone (and I spent the most time last generation on these games), and Perfect Dark is gone(still my fav home console FPS). But that's only two games, which is made up for by a LOT of original content and the addition of many third party games (especially sports games). Gamecube is lightyears better then N64 for it's first 1.5 years, but this generation the bar has raised.

GCN's raw hardware value gets killed by ignorant mistakes on the part of Nintendo. I'll admit, nobody foresaw Xbox being this big of a hit, but jesus... there are little things Nintendo could have fixed from the gate. Like memory cards for example... or actually giving online play a try.

Xbox on the other hand has A+ hardware, but it's severely lacking in the software side of things. At launch Xbox was simply better... there is no way around it. Xbox also offered much more variety, which gives a system a shelf life. For every genre there is, Xbox offered exclusive decent content. You just can't say that about Cube. Where are the fighting games, racing games, and FPSs?

But, Xbox's variety gets hurt by it's lack of extremely quality titles. From the launch til now, I must say that I'd pick the top 10 games to come out for GCN over the top 10 that game out for Xbox. As for the future...?

It looks like there will be no power greater than X. Nintendo will always have a good line-up on paper because of familiar names, but once you get past the brand names what is there?

Nintendo is just a big ball of potential and they are not doing and good with it... that's why I'd have to say I'm more disappointed in Gamecube. Nobody could doubt that MS isn't living up to the promise that was Xbox... but Everybody could doubt that Nintendo is living up to the promise that was gamecube.