The Triple H Files

[TheGame]

Originally posted by The Strangler
Justin, I can see how you can create scapoegoats for HHH in the writing and political viewpoints, but how do you explain his horrible workrate.

I can't... he simply isn't as good a wrestler as he was in 2000. But I can name a LOT of examples of wrestlers who aren't exactly in thier "prime" anymore.

He simply doesn't have the skills to keep top card matches interesting like he used to. Blame it on Steiner, but HHH used to be able to carry humps like Steiner to good matches before. thats what top card guys have to be able to do.

and why is he a top card guy? Because he has to much backstage power. Vince is a scapegoat.... but hell... look over my last few posts.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by BreakABone
And to Justin, a point I forgot to make earlier when I was replying to your lenght of a title reign. Well, you also forgot to take into account the meaning of the title. The WWF has historical significances as does the WCW title, but Triple H doesn't holdthe WVW title, he may have the belt, but basically it was a belt given to him and since he got it, he has pretty much had it since it's creation.

Thank you for admiting you are wrong and that his title run was only a month and a half

The belt had been around something like 5 months and he has held it 4 months and the only reason I think he even let HBK win it was to get it back from him later on to make himself look that much better.

Well, what was H supposed to do?

1) He has control over the story lines, control that he shouldn't have.

2) Who else was a big contender for the World title on Raw when H lost it?

Triple H is like how Austin was in 98-2001... either had the belt, or was a top contender for it. It has got to the point where it doesn't make sense for HHH not to be in the title hunt over 95% of the guys in the WWE... and it's not his fault.

I think this little clique thing will work out so he can lose the title, not be a contender for it, and still be a big part of the story line. Vince let it get too far out of hand for HHH to fall back into the darkness. HHH is like a version of The Rock who is always around... maybe they need to start doing the ol fake WCW injuries and just have him wrestle 6 months per year or somthing.

[BreakABone]

Originally posted by TheGame
Thank you for admiting you are wrong and that his title run was only a month and a half

Ok, it's his second title reign and he has only had it a month and a half, but he has had it the majority of it's existance.

Well, what was H supposed to do?

1) He has control over the story lines, control that he shouldn't have.

I agree with you on this, he has power that he shouldn't. I can't put that entirely on him, I mean he is to blame for some of it since he does take advantaged of it, but Vince, Steph and whoever else writes the show should have a bigger blame since they allow him to us that power.

2) Who else was a big contender for the World title on Raw when H lost it?

Again, they could make people top contenders, I mean Chris Benoit became a contender for the title, and he was gone most of the year, heck, even Edge and Rey made credible oppenents for the World title, why can't Raw make their superstars like that?

Triple H is like how Austin was in 98-2001... either had the belt, or was a top contender for it. It has got to the point where it doesn't make sense for HHH not to be in the title hunt over 95% of the guys in the WWE... and it's not his fault.

Your comparison is fair, but also a little misskwed (whatever). Austin was a big part of the WWF from 98-2001, but there are some facts that I guess are overlooked
1)In 1998, Austin was only Champion for like 5-6 months combined. That leaves something like half of the year where he wasn't champ and pretty much for the end of the year wasn't hunting the gold.

Austin, now and probably forever, will always be a bigger star than Triple H, when Austin was at the top, he was there because he was the most popular wrestler since Hulk Hogan, Triple H IMO has not and will never be in a league of popularity of such stars as Hogan, Rock, Austin, Flair, HBK and Bret Hart. Triple H may be a popular time, but never close.

Also austin was gone for a large portion of 2000 and for some of 1999, so he was never truly overexposed in the industry.

the 2001 well, I don't think he was as bad as the 98-99 since he wasn't built up as some superhuman anymore.

[TheGame]

You have to admit... when Austin wasn't going for the title, he probably wasn't even active on the show... and if we was active on the show, and not going for the title, he was still in a story that was as big (or bigger) than the title run story itself.

HHH thinks of himself like this, just like many other champion wrestlers. When he gets the freedom to decide... he abuses it, just like any other wrestler would do. I don't blame HHH, because every wrestler wants the spotlight... they just need to take away his freedom.

But... it's almost too late. Like I said in my last post they need to start having some fake injuries and give him time to get back in shape WCW style. Let him come back to the spotlight, then somehow take him off of the show again.

The Rock does the same thing, the difference is Rock has other things to do (movies and such), and Wrestling is HHH's life.

if you look at HHH's record, all the guys he beat, he is definently the strongest Guy in the WWE by power ranking. But the strongest shouldn't wrestle 12 months per year! You need guys who win and lose wrestling year around, not a guy who always wins. I think they should remove him from the show, give him time to get back in shape, and let him have a comeback... after a title run or two, get rid of him again.

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Maybe they should bring goldberg in right before WM, and have him and HHH have a title match... methinks that would make for a clueless discussion on who would win

[BreakABone]

Originally posted by TheGame
You have to admit... when Austin wasn't going for the title, he probably wasn't even active on the show... and if we was active on the show, and not going for the title, he was still in a story that was as big (or bigger) than the title run story itself.

that much I agree with you on, except for in one or two cases. I think that the Rock/Mankind feud was on the same level as ausitn trying to get into the main event of WrestleMania 15 and I also think the InVasion angle was a lot bigger than him being champion.

HHH thinks of himself like this, just like many other champion wrestlers. When he gets the freedom to decide... he abuses it, just like any other wrestler would do. I don't blame HHH, because every wrestler wants the spotlight... they just need to take away his freedom.

I won't deny there has been wrestlers who abuse their power, Austin is a prime example of one, refusing to work with Jarrett and Bily Gunn comes to mind, but then again who wants to work with Billy Gunn.

The major difference between Triple H and for the most part everyone else, when they abused their power, they atleast put on decent matches for the most part Triple H has not put on many good matches in the past year or therefore about.

But... it's almost too late. Like I said in my last post they need to start having some fake injuries and give him time to get back in shape WCW style. Let him come back to the spotlight, then somehow take him off of the show again.

Well, I don't think they eed to work an angle, just move him down the roster and have him feud with lesser stars to bring them up while also training. the problem isn't Triple H on the show, it's hgim being the focal point of the show.

The Rock does the same thing, the difference is Rock has other things to do (movies and such), and Wrestling is HHH's life.

Well, I've never had a problem with the Rock for the simple fact that he is willing to put over folks no matter what. He generally doesn't have an issue with it.

if you look at HHH's record, all the guys he beat, he is definently the strongest Guy in the WWE by power ranking. But the strongest shouldn't wrestle 12 months per year! You need guys who win and lose wrestling year around, not a guy who always wins. I think they should remove him from the show, give him time to get back in shape, and let him have a comeback... after a title run or two, get rid of him again.

I don't know what you mean by power, I mean you, yourself, mention that wrestling is rigged so there is no accurate guage as to how strong a wrestler is. As Scott Steiner proved you can be built, but don't have much strenght.

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Maybe they should bring goldberg in right before WM, and have him and HHH have a title match... methinks that would make for a clueless discussion on who would win

Well, as far as I know if Goldberg is brought into the WWE, he will feud with the Rock leading into the Mania. rock and Goldberg both want it.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

"If Bret Hart had access to writing the scripts like HHH he would have one that match... period. Given the freedom to chose between winning and losing, most wrestlers would write themselves in as winners. Now do you understand?"

I know what you mean, and I agree fully that it's Vince's fault first and foremost. The Bret Hart thing was a lot different though, because Bret DID in a small way have access to writing the scripts. Not actually write them like that, but he had a creative control clause in his contract which again Vince was stupid for putting in there, but he did. So take a look at what happened, Bret jobs for Shawn at WM 12, Shawn is supposed to return the job at WM 13. No go because Shawn "I don't lay down for anyone" Michaels pretended he was injured. Shawn and Bret had some bigtime REAL heat with eachother now. Then comes time number 2 where Vince ****es up. He says he can't afford to pay Bret what his contract states anymore, so he should go to WCW (where he would be given more money). Bret doesn't exactly want to go to WCW for more money or not, as he already turned down a WCW contract to stay with WWF for less money. But he ultimately decides to go as Vince cannot pay him anyway, so fast forward to Survivor Series. Bret's still champ and Vince wants the belt off him so he doesn't take the belt to Nitro, which is pretty funny seeing as Bret was the most loyal guy he had and never wanted to leave in the first place. Vince comes up with the bright idea to have Bret job to Michaels once again in Canada nevertheless for the title. Bret says no (and because of his creative control clause, he possibly had every right to say no) and gives other ideas of how to get the belt off him. Vince, the sleazy ****face he is, agrees with one of Bret's ideas and goes on to screw him of course. Now that was a long story of what we all know happened, but... 1. I like defending Bret so and 2. It's not the same as Bret just wanting to win every match like Triple H apparently does.

*cough* Pretty much I'd just like ot start another "who screwed Bret" debate, but meh. Can never have enough of those.

And in conclusion to this Triple H thing, yes it is Vince's fault for a lot of the problems. But the fact is Triple H should not be the focus and main eventer that he is given that he isn't drawing and he isn't having good matches anymore.

[Joeiss]

I know this is sort of off topic... But why did Vince want bret to leave?