The Wii U

[Angrist]

Yeah I don't know what the big deal is. Nintendo pretty much came up with 80% on today's controllers. The sticks, the shoulder buttons, start/pause buttons...
For the Xbox, Microsoft took the Dreamcast controller, added the GameCube's C-stick. For the 360 they streamlined it and changed some button.

Now Nintendo bases the streamline on the 360's and everybody's all over it.

[Angrist]

Ok this is weird. Is someone deleting my posts, or is it a bug?


Anyway, I was expecting Sony to present something similar to Wii U, like tablet integration.

[Angrist]

I still don't get it...
Anyway, press conference in 1:40!!!!

[TheSlyMoogle]

Wii U looking like a giant gimmick again. ZombiU looked pretty cool until I realized they just took a lot of FPS stuff and put it onto a controller and made me hold it up to the tv instead of just putting it on the screen anyway.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by TheSlyMoogle

Wii U looking like a giant gimmick again. ZombiU looked pretty cool until I realized they just took a lot of FPS stuff and put it onto a controller and made me hold it up to the tv instead of just putting it on the screen anyway.

Anything they show at E3 or at launch is going to basically be a gimmick. They're all really just tech demos to advertise the technology.

[Blix]

Originally Posted by Vampyr

Anything they show at E3 or at launch is going to basically be a gimmick. They're all really just tech demos to advertise the technology.

Pretty much. Developers need time to really put some thought into their games and come up with incredible ideas. I'll keep my eyes on that game. Pikmin 3 looks nice. It seems to me they only showed what was ready and not all they could. Reggie said they couldn't show everything they had.

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by Vampyr

Anything they show at E3 or at launch is going to basically be a gimmick. They're all really just tech demos to advertise the technology.

I feel the opposite.. Nintendo almost shoved the controller aside.

Pikmin only uses it as an option. New Super Mario Bros Wii U only uses it to play on your lap.. or the odd 5-player mode.

This was a disappointing show.

[Typhoid]

Nintendo almost shoved the controller aside.

That's funny (Seriously, not condescendingly), because the only part of it I was watching as I flicked channels was ______ talking about how unique the controller is in Gameplay of Luigi's Mansion.

Which, by the way sounded dumb as hell to me.

"So wait, only one of us can see the ghost? Well, uhh....why don't we just all look at that tablet-controller then, or like...huddle around and just watch that screen instead."

Really though, I don't see the big deal with the tablet-controller-thing. The screen looked small as hell, almost frustratingly small. Maybe I'm just used to tablets now, so to be using the Etch-a-sketch equivalent of a tablet seems strange, when tablets now are practically all screen. I get it, they need protection so when kids drop it it doesn't break. I'm not saying I don't believe there isn't a reason for it.

[Angrist]

Nintendo needs to make Endless Ocean 3, it will be awesome. One player can play the game with the Wiimote+Nunchuck while a second player looks around using the Pad . So pretty!!

Another thing that should be really cool: Rogue Squadron 4. Same concept: 1st player on the TV, a second using the Upad to man the 2nd cannon and shoot all around the ship.

About ZombiU: I thought having to use the Pad for the inventory added a lot of fear to the game. And I doubt you have to hold up your Pad to the screen all the time, they just did that for the demo.

[Angrist]

Hm I am a bit disappointed and worried that we didn't see a sequel to any of the big Nintendo franchises. Imagine what a new Star Fox or F-Zero would have done... They could have showed their prettiest graphics and all the cool implementations of the Upad.

Where's the game that Retro Studios is working on??

[Angrist]

So what do you think of Nintendo Land? I think the general idea will work as a pack-in title, but at the moment it feels a bit like shovelware. The mini-games will be fun, but will it be as much fun as Wii Sports Tennis? I've played that game with multiple friends in the last months. Will I still be playing Luigi's Mansion or that fruit collection game in 6 years? I very much doubt it.

That said, some of the Wii Fit U games look like a lot of fun. The one when you play a waiter serving cake for example. Hold the Upad straight or your cake falls off. Or the watercannon game!

I personally feel Nintendo Land is the spiritual successor to Wii Play (Motion) and not to Sports. It's a bunch of mini games that show off the controller. And in Play, more than half of the games weren't worth your time.

[TheSlyMoogle]

http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mis...atsuya-eguchi/

TLDR:

Nintendo doesn't want to sell the Wii U at a loss like microsoft and sony did.

I'm thinking the Wii U will be at least 450 and up then assuming they just sell it to break even.

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by Angrist

So what do you think of Nintendo Land? I think the general idea will work as a pack-in title, but at the moment it feels a bit like shovelware. The mini-games will be fun, but will it be as much fun as Wii Sports Tennis? I've played that game with multiple friends in the last months. Will I still be playing Luigi's Mansion or that fruit collection game in 6 years? I very much doubt it.

I think shovelware is the wrong term here.

NintendoLand seems to be a game that has been given time and resources to be a proper game.

Shovelware.. tends to refer to games that are just rushed out without any care for quality.

Originally Posted by TheSlyMoogle

http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mis...atsuya-eguchi/

TLDR:

Nintendo doesn't want to sell the Wii U at a loss like microsoft and sony did.

I'm thinking the Wii U will be at least 450 and up then assuming they just sell it to break even.

I don't see it being more than 300.

I mean its an updated console, but it is only 2-3x as strong as current gen, and we already see the Xbox and Ps3 being sold for 200-300 bucks and turning a profit.

So would be within reason for Nintendo.

[Angrist]

I've heard €300 or so. Which I think makes sense for something not much stronger than PS3. I'm not too worried about the price... if it's too much, I expect it to drop like what happened with the 3DS.

[Vampyr]

Same here.

I may not get any of these next gen consoles at launch. I have such a backlog of games anyway, I think I'd rather wait for a price drop.