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Old 12-06-2011, 03:42 PM   #1
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Do you have any healthy cookbooks you can recommend? Ones that make vegetarian food not taste like shit?

Also, I fucking NEED beer and wine in my life. But Beer is just barley malt, hops, and yeast...so that shit should be good to go.
I'll throw my hat into the ring on this.

My weight's fluctuated a lot in the last 6 years, so I feel I've got some experience on what will and won't work long-term for weight loss.

First of all, I tried the drug diet. Don't do that. That's lesson 1.

Secondly, you'll have a hard time cutting weight if you love wine and beer. I too, love beer and wine. Giving that shit up (on a regular basis) was one of the hardest things I've done in recent years.

The problem with alcohol and exercise, is alcohol essentially transfers entirely to bad fat in the body; and when you go to work out, the alcohol is the first thing the body tries to work off. So you're not even really making progress if you drink frequently. I'm not sure what the proper ratio or whatever is on what will and won't impede progress, though.

I just know it will be ridiculously harder on you to cut weight/build muscle if you're chugging back beers often. And it's alcohol in general, it's not JUST beer or wine. Alcohol as a whole impedes cutting weight/building muscle.

I also eat a lot of food sans-meat. I don't like calling it vegetarian, because it's not. It's just meat-less. Hell, Fruity Pebbles can probably be vegetarian.

Anyways, my advice on how to make vegetarian things taste good if you have no cookbook is to just be creative, add lots spices. Vegetarian food tends to be inherently bland, unless it's Indian cooking. Cooking isn't precise or anything like that, it's all preference. I'd say just start trying some shit out. See what works for you.

Stay away from candy, chocolate, sugars, pops. Normal things like that. You probably shouldn't eat too much potatoes/breads/dairy. I'm not saying at all, just don't have 6 sandwiches a day. Everything's cool in moderation.

And also, eat frequently. That's one of the best things I've noticed you can do when you want to cut weight. Eat smaller portions [of things like a small yogurt, some fruit, granola bar etc] more often. Don't have 'meals', just eat when you're hungry. Have healthy snacks often. Keep your metabolism working for you, not against you.
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Old 12-06-2011, 04:12 PM   #2
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Typhoid, you make good points. Beer raises estrogen levels, and promotes inadequate bile secretion which directly affects the digestion of fats. Sugar is also disasterous as it raises insulin. By going on a 24 hour fast, thus keeping insulin completely dormant, HGH levels increase by over 2000% in men, and around 1400% in women. This is why kungfu training and all that hardcore stuff promotes fasting as a way to increase testosterone.

Now about eating regularly, I have this one point to make.
The way the digestive tract absorbs nutrients requires a lot of energy. What happens is that our gallbladders get triggered by the ingestion of fats, so when we eat something with fat content our body signals the release of bile to emulsify and breakdown food into absorbable nutrient forms.

This reason is why, eating often and smaller amounts, is inherently a bad idea.
Weight loss in and of itself should not be the goal. We can measure basic health levels through weight indicators, but simply reducing fat stores isn't going to indicate proper health. Fat does store toxins and estrogens so by burning fat off, one is in a better hormone balance.

My point about eating schedule is this: If the gallbladder supports the liver and the digestion process, if we eat smaller 'snack' sized meals this does not allow the body the time to carry its digestive process into a cycle, where bile re-enters the gallbladder and is ready for the next batch of food. Also, food that is in the small and large intestine has to be fully digested and broken down into blood soluble forms before new food is introduced, otherwise a redirection of blood action is required to digest the new food in the stomach. What happens is that food remains half digested, while new food is added. This combination causes fermentation within the gut, causing gas as well as food particulate entering the bloodstream that the immune system has to identify as 'enemies'.
Most people have disrupted food absorption in the gut, and many have 'leaky-gut syndrome' which indicates the presence of candida and damage to the gut lining.
If one were to eat primarily fruits and vegetables, this process of repetive food introduction isn't has harmful, as these foods are full of fiber. However, a healthy diet requires fat, as many vitamins are fat soluble, such as E and K.
So, for a quick conclusion on this matter, it is suggested that 5 hour breaks between meals is preferable for not only athletic performance but for general health.
The 5 hour break allows the body's resources to distributive nutrition at a cellular level without having to be burdened by further digestive processes.
In order to alleviate the 'weak from sugar level drops' one should avoid the high sugar forms that Typhoid identified. This causes insulin spikes that are short lived, incurring feelings of further hunger, and a period of 'withdrawel' like symptons which many attribute to their low sugar. By constantly requiring insulin to mediate blood levels, the pancreas becomes stressed and in time, pancreatic cancer and diabetes SYMPTOMS become more likely.

The best way to alleviate the hunger pangs that accompany appropriately spaced meals is to eat fruit separately(always) from proteign and carb meals. If one consumes an orange or apple at least 30 minutes before a main meal, the sugars are timely absorbed to feed energy needs, and the natural fiber spaces out the absorption of sugar so that ATP stores are used to fuel energy levels, and not feed competing bacteria such as candida.
Since the fruit is fully digested(without much digestive effort, with no bile being secreted), the body is then ready with vitamins and phytonutrients already in the bloodstream which helps balance the stress that protein and carb intake have. Vitamin C for instance really helps the body absorb iron.

Also, I really recommend that evening meals be finished by 6pm. Try this for a while and you'll find that you need less sleep to feel just as rested, and your overall health will benefit from the ability to rise with the sun. Circadian rhythms are crucially important for over all health, and many people force themselves into a coffee morning ritual in response to late meal times and blue-light interference in the production of natural melatonin.

At this moment, i'm two weeks into no coffee(I quit cuz of insomnia and overall anxiousness from it), and i'm starting to feel a bit more normal with my adrenals responding better to GABA green tea which has compounds that work in tandem with smaller amounts of caffiene, producing a calming energy as opposed to coffee. Everyone's different with caffeine tolerance, and I'm not calling coffee necessarily bad(it supplies the larger amount of America's magnesium intake).


edit: and just one of many reasons that seem to surface daily, why healthy 'lean' meats are just as awful as the red, iron providing alternative.
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1466/...g_Arsenic.html

Chicken isn't the only thing with arsenic, its in rice too. Ground water is tending towards more arsenic concentration. An animal eats 'rice' and concentrates it into a fiberless form of dead protein.
Meat is only worth eating if it's high in omega 3 content. This requires free range grazing and healthier grain feed such as flax. Hay trumps corn feed because cattle are actually meant to eat it.

Also, lots of the 'meat' in fast food is actually a mixture of soy protein isolates and the meat that said soy produces as cattle feed. So while one is chemically altered (Hexane) and devoid of phytonutrient support that's in all whole foods, the other 'actual' meat is made from pesticide laden, gmo soy or corn which makes it as/even/more harmful than the isolates themselves.

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They think salmonella is deadly dangerous, but MSG, aspartame and sodium nitrite are just fine. They believe in the lie that chemicals are safe as long as the FDA doesn't say anything against them!
http://www.naturalnews.com/026303_so...#ixzz1fnnfFCiD


I took a 3rd year public health class last year. It's interesting from an advocacy point of view just how warped the governing health boards are(administrations).

It's a slippery slope, because as advocates we have to demand change in industry. With media channels the way they are, this is mostly in consumer dollar votes. Whether or not one finds soy disgusting, alternative vegetable proteins are at risk of complete nutrient scalping, and people don't see the health changes promised when switching onto a vegetarian diet. In fact, a lot of people experience heavy withdrawel from rBGH hormones, just as refined corn syrup screws with mood levels so much. People start to detox(fat is full of 'body allocated toxic stores' and when fat starts to burn off, and elimination organs start to function, symptoms of toxic nausea result. Fatigue, is a reason why lots of people claim that a vegetarian diet didn't work for them.
It's really a combination of detox overload, chemical dependency(familiarity), and comfort food habits.

Quitting meat can be like quitting any harsh drug. There are withdrawel symptoms.
anyway, back to FDA shortfalls, the bills that have been passed under the Obama administration have continued the trend of agression to small farmers who don't want to pledge their lives on the seed distribution of a mega corp like Monsanto.

What happens, acting as an advocate, when you appeal to legislation already in place to safeguard public healthl? In Hawaii there is such legislation in place that should dictate an immediate halt to the use of glyphosate on crops. They got them to ban its use in a public park so that kids wouldn't have to absorb it through their feet. Getting them to stop using it in 'the massive food market' isn't working because of vested interests. The kids can't walk on this neurotoxic stuff as acknowledged by concessions, but they can damn well eat it.
http://www.naturalnews.com/034307_GM..._Monsanto.html

The food liberty bills that are being passed in local municipalities reflect an educated public who are more and more taking decisive action against the direct assault on their human rights.

Right now, based on Bill Geates charitable organization, and other platforms, the Obama administration has furthered the same food relief aid that has caused hundreds of thousands of suicides in India since its introduction. Dependency on a profit/control oriented corporation is not in the best interests of anyone, even the richest of the organization though they fail to see it.

Sub-saharan Africa is being 'helped' in the same way. Did you know that suicide rates of farmers are the highest of any working groups in America?

It's actually possible to make good money farming. If you're willing to buy the big equipment and purchase the roundup and patent seeds, as well as the germination initiator spray that some of the seeds require. My cousin up north makes a buttload of money each year in this farming practice.
I'm not willing to say he's happy though.

The answer to world food shortages isn't to induce unnatural bumper crops and then throw 14% of it away, as Americans do. All the while the environment gets destroyed, and people get sick. This 14% doesn't represent the truer waste of the system. And that is, that the meat industry uses more fossil fuels than any other sector in America, including transportation. While requiring the highest energy consumption, it pollutes waterways to the point that irrigated produce can be targeted for salmonella outbreak, and thus legislate measures to irradiate the nutrients that are kids are developing on. It is insanity, as this market drive for meat consumption leaves the rest of the world in poverty; they at least experience less chronic illness than our elevated, modern countries experience, with their mortality and lacking life quality is a result of infrastructure failings. The same guys that push for this control of food through commodity, are the same who utilize IMF unequal trading to keep these countries in 'their proper place'. It's the new market similiarity to the imperial 'unequal treaties' that were forced on China and Japan, back with Britain and the US were strutting their stuff. It carried over after WWII when the US allowed Japan to become an industrial giant, as long as they signed on to a lesser currency(which aided in self-identification as a sovereign nation-important to a defeated Japan) and traded through the IMF interaction scheme which insured American industrial supremecy. At the time America was making everything and shipping it around the world. Electronic gizmos were delegated to the Japanese front, and America gained the military foothold that it now flexes.

When Donald Rumsfield's company was passing the 'safety' of aspertame, Japan had better common sense to use stevia sweetener in their coca cola. What I'm saying is the American people are duped into a diseased system, and because of their ignorance they are passively supporting the oppression of the international states which cannot assert independance. What happens to an African nation that achieves the highest literacy rates and high standards of life? The leader gets identified as a tyrant and the infrastructure gets destroyed, ready to be remade democratically through Haliburton contracts. The US threatened Nelson Mandela to stop showing support for Quaddafi, the man who supported him in prison while America allowed South African injustice. The injustice of Libya was to allign with a trading partner to didn't force the nation into inhumane servitude. The result was catastrophic to the people of Libya, and Bill Maher plays up the leftist puppetry, joking about the fate of Arab dictators. Ha!
America just legislated the right to assassinate its own people, and the president threatens to veto this because it would give the US citizens legal rights foudn in the Geneva Convention. The fact is, Bush jr already made it legal to kill 'enemy combats' so it serves their interests, in a time of OWS, to keep enemy combat identities instead of placing its denizens within the protection of international law. If only the U.N. could act as an international law, in the vein of the Geneva Convention.
Quaddafi wasn't a saint, but neither was George Bush. The difference is that the Libyan people actually liked him, as the Venenzuelan's continue to re-elect Chavez. What America proclaims as justified means to U.N. mandate their bombs into other nations, in America we say that an opposing political party will change things. It doesn't. The 'system' to label it such, is completely feudal in its culminated form. No prancing economic theories are going to solve the situation, as economic theories can't account for a free market that is controlled by an elite. Ron Paul won't get elected because he doesn't have the charisma of the sell-outs, and the media refuses to acknowledge that his message resonates with the people.

This ties back to public health advocacy, because the system is full of intelligent individuals who want to, and have, made remarkable impacts. To extend this advocacy into political reform is going to require the type of attention that OWS phenomena create.
If people stopped eating meat at its current rate, the industry would implode, the media would blame people's heartlessness for deserting the working farmers, and everyone would look better. Black Friday would roll around, and the media would threaten 'buy nothing' advocates as hurting the most vulnerable(clerks, floor employees), and urge people to extend their insolvency for the mere purpose of perpetuation a market cycle that continues to leave the masses with less and less protection. It can be termed as protection because their elected officials promote bank bailouts with Keynesian gusto, and then live out their life with the prefix President as their distinguishing reward.

best to end a rant with something elementary conclusive, such as

Take a note at urban farming, its surge in the face of economic troubles. It directly relates to the type of subsistence that the majority of the world survives on. It is healthy, environmentally sustainable, and less GREEDY. The problem with America is that its majority has been infantilized into a state of immediate gratification response, and since majority rules, the dietary indicators of this will continue to get worse. Science has been marginalized into a profit tool, where the institution of learning itself becomes servant to the financial benefactors.

In 1963, Kennedy took control of his nations finances. He was murdered for it. As was President Garfield.
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:39 PM   #3
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organic. Blacksmith Institute on the most dangerous pollutants in developing countries. Doesn't include NA, Europe, and Japan which uses 75% of global pesticides.
http://www.naturalnews.com/034328_pe...chemicals.html
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Old 12-08-2011, 01:53 AM   #4
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I think you guys need to start a new thread...
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Old 12-08-2011, 03:30 PM   #5
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Apparently these are the evil Canadian cops?

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Old 12-09-2011, 12:49 PM   #6
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I like Dr. Oz and that video. But I think the no meat and cheese and alcohol is overzealous (not to mention unrealistic for the majority of Americans). Less meat, cheese, and alcohol is sufficient. Countries like France, Italy, and Greece have heart disease rates almost as low as Japan, and what do you think of when you think of those countries? I think of countless wines, cheeses, pastas, salamis, and more wine.
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Old 12-09-2011, 04:24 PM   #7
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I like Dr. Oz and that video. But I think the no meat and cheese and alcohol is overzealous (not to mention unrealistic for the majority of Americans). Less meat, cheese, and alcohol is sufficient. Countries like France, Italy, and Greece have heart disease rates almost as low as Japan, and what do you think of when you think of those countries? I think of countless wines, cheeses, pastas, salamis, and more wine.
I love wine.

There's a lot of info in this thread that I will have to parse and research. Thanks for the input, Seth, and everyone else.
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