Xbox Banning and Piracy - Page 2

Szymon · 11-20-2009, 02:45 PM

Wouldn't it be 100% up to them to choose when they ban players? In my opinion, the banned kids have nothing to say but "LOL yep, we fucked up. We probably shouldn't have done something that illegal and unfair to the producers of these games. I knew what I was getting into."

You may not agree with what Microsoft is doing, but at least they're playing fair. IANAL but I don't think this lawsuit stands a chance, especially in America.

Angrist · 11-20-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BreakABone

On the other, it does look like a way to boost holiday sales around MW 2.

I know who's behind the banning. Reggie!

BreakABone · 11-20-2009, 04:39 PM

I haven't read up on the bannings, but I'm curious from what I do know, it seems more that they are banning people from xbox live, which I think may cause some problems because no matter how much you pirate, I don't think there is any way to get live for free.

So technically you are punishing them by actually removing the one thing they do pay for... I think anyhow

Angrist · 11-21-2009, 05:44 PM

It's the same as with bans from Steam and World of Warcraft. People can't pay anymore after that, so it looks like the developers shoot themselves in the foot.
But I guess the idea is to scare other people enough to don't start piracy.

Blix · 12-02-2009, 10:00 PM

OK. I haven't had much time to keep posting in the thread but I'd like to share this video with you guys and get your opinions on it. I don't agree with everything they say and don't disagree with everything either. But I want to hear your opinions before I give mine so you give your ideas just as you see them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqJsGjXdNW4

BreakABone · 12-07-2009, 02:58 AM

Well I think this is an interesting twist,

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Microsoft has begun issuing temporary bans to players taking advantage of an exploit in Modern Warfare 2, while Infinity Ward works on a patch to fix the issue. While the servers may be kept slightly cleaner for the efforts, the amount of control Microsoft holds over owners of their consoles, and the arbitrary way they are able to wield it, is troubling.

Sony stated that it won't be banning anyone over cheating in Modern Warfare 2, but with Infinity Ward controlling all the servers for the game on the PC side of things, bans have been handed down for cheating there, as well. With dedicated servers there was no way for a company to stop you from playing the game, but the closed nature of IWNet means the developer and publisher control your ability to play the game online.

No one is going to defend cheating, but glitches, exploits, and bugs have long found their way into strategy and helped to move gaming forward. Would rocket jumpers have been banned from Xbox Live? If Valve shut down dedicated servers and sought to control every aspect of their games, would there have been Counter Strike? The control Microsoft exerts over Xbox Live, and its ability to block your access to online play remotely, and without appeal, means that you'll be playing the games how they want.

So the gist of it, should MS or anyone be allowed to ban players who exploit a glitch that is in the game?

As much as it sucks, and it does ruin the experience at times, if the developer couldn't be bothered to take it out, I don't see why the player should be punished for it.

I'm sure they will be unbanned once IW patches the game, but its still messed up.

http://www.examiner.com/x-30793-Chic...xploit-Abusers

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-3...sers-in-CODMW2

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2...one-banned.ars

Vampyr · 12-07-2009, 08:02 AM

Yeah, I also think that is wrong.

I've always subscribed to the philosophy that a player in a competitive game should play to win, using whatever the game gives them, including bugs/glitches.

TheSlyMoogle · 12-07-2009, 09:54 AM

Dude Halo 2 would have blown ass without the 3 glitches that everyone played with. Made it much more fun.

Combine 017 · 12-07-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BreakABone

Well I think this is an interesting twist,

So the gist of it, should MS or anyone be allowed to ban players who exploit a glitch that is in the game?

As much as it sucks, and it does ruin the experience at times, if the developer couldn't be bothered to take it out, I don't see why the player should be punished for it.

I'm sure they will be unbanned once IW patches the game, but its still messed up.

Its a really annoying glitch and doesnt really help anyone.
In fact, most times it kills team mates instead of enemies.
And the bans are only 24 hours long, unless you keep doing it, then they add more time.

TheSlyMoogle · 12-07-2009, 10:48 AM

I propose everyone just plays Dual shotgunner in MW2 anyway. It's almost as good as using the rocket glitch.

Fox 6 · 12-07-2009, 11:22 AM

The MW 2 glitch really breaks the game.

Bond · 12-07-2009, 12:52 PM

Microsoft should be able to do whatever it wants within the terms of service that users agree to when registering for Xbox Live.

BreakABone · 12-07-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bond

Microsoft should be able to do whatever it wants within the terms of service that users agree to when registering for Xbox Live.

You can't honestly believe that?

This isn't the gamer's fault per se, its not like they are hacking the game or using some outside code, its in the frigging game and the developers and MS know about it.

Its like if we all got banned in L4D for using the door glitch in No Mercy. Or skywalking in TF 2.

KillerGremlin · 12-07-2009, 01:05 PM

Yet another reason why online PC gaming > console gaming. If people could set up their own servers and be their own admins, then they could establish server rules that decide if you get banned from that server for using "map exploits" or "game exploits."

Even though the bans are just temporary, it's pretty lame for Microsoft to ban users for using software exploits that are the result of a developer's poor coding. Every game has exploits, and it is an issue that pops up in EVERY online game. It's one thing for a server run by some individuals to ban users, but for the developer to ban users (who paid for their buggy game).....eh, that's pretty lame.

Vampyr · 12-07-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bond

Microsoft should be able to do whatever it wants within the terms of service that users agree to when registering for Xbox Live.

Of course they can - and as you can see they are. I believe the question was more meant to mean "is it right for them to do this".

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Originally Posted by KG

Yet another reason why online PC gaming > console gaming. If people could set up their own servers and be their own admins, then they could establish server rules that decide if you get banned from that server for using "map exploits" or "game exploits."

Isn't the PC version of MW2 also not on dedicated servers?