Shootie's getting an iMac soon!

[Revival]

AHH! I got worried.. my dad got a new computer today from Compaq.. it's their "newest" model.. and it has my name on the order form.. I hope he doesn't want me to use that new one and ditch this one.. I don't want Windows at all!

I'll find out when my dad gets home later tonight.

[Jason1]

I would like to get a Mac, but like a lot of games dont even work with it...

[Revival]

Well.. a lot of games you have now won't work with it.. but there are thousands of software programs for the Mac. Here is a listing of some of the games:

http://www.apple.com/software/
(Click on the products guide link on the lower right hand corner)

Might want to check that out and see that there's a lot to offer.

[GameMaster]

Originally posted by Jason1
I would like to get a Mac, but like a lot of games dont even work with it...

Quite the contrary Jason. A very popular program developed for Mac called Virtual PC allows you to run any PC prgram you might stumble across and you could even run Windows if you wanted.

[Revival]

So with that program and the thousands of software programs that are available for Mac, you might be all set.

[gekko]

Originally posted by Jason1
I would like to get a Mac, but like a lot of games dont even work with it...

Well very few of your current games would, because very few companies produce hybrid games, it's basically only Blizzard. The reason behind this is because a lot of companies don't have the resources to port a game to Mac in-house. Like... their developers suck

So anyway, a lot of companies send their games to other companies to have it ported to Mac, and then published. Return to Castle Wolfenstein was given to Aspyr, even though Devine did a great job with the Mac beta. Other games, like the Tom Clancy games get ported by places like MacSoft. This is where the whole theory comes in, Macs get all the good games, but it takes a while. Just because programming for Mac was so much different, programmers really only knew how to make the Windows version and then had to send it off.

There are a few exceptions. Blizzard makes both Mac and PC versions at the same time. Upcoming games like WoW and WarCraft 3 will be released at the same time. Bungie is also a kick-ass Mac developer, too bad Microsoft bought them out, delaying Halo until the game is too old to be appreciated.

Anyway, pretty much every major game comes out on Mac, you just may need to wait for someone to port it. Thankfully, with the addition of Mac OS X and Macs getting the newest video cards, companies are beginning to support the Mac market. Look at UbiSoft, they released Myst III at the same time, and Shadowbane is coming out at the same time.

I guess there's also a good side to waiting. You won't have to deal with all the problems that the PC users deal with. Less bugs and all. But unless you're picky and want every new game the second it comes out, Macs are fine. They get every game that's any good.

[Cyrax9]

Any Company that is making "PC Excluisives" that aren't being ported to the Mac is a company that's shotting themselves in the foot, or more accurately, the wallet. I know Activison has had companies port their "Star Trek" games, and "Interplay" has done the same thing with their "Star Trek Games" giving them to "MacPlay", Simon & Schuster Interactive even made their "Star Trek" games for both the PC and the Mac, although they were more like "Star Trek Technical Manuals" than Games, the excption Being "DS9 Dominion Wars", and "DS9: The Fallen" which looks great on a PC, I'd love to see it's Mac Version.

Also thanks ofr the info on Vitrual PC, I think I can Convince my Brother to get a MAC now, mainly because their's a new game coming out that'll run on a PC only at present time, and a Mac Version hasn't been anounced yet, but it "might be" eventually. Also Keep in Mind that this game as been re-biuolt from scratch 4 times since it was intially Planned. "One Must Fall: Batllegrounds" is the game, and the engine is supposed to be more flexible than UT and Q3A's Graphcis Engine, so a mMac Version is Probably Likley.

Let's start Nailing M$'s Coffin shut. I would like to see M$ "Rest In Peices".

[gekko]

They don't port Mac games cause sometimes the cost of proigrammers, and the rarety of programmers is greater than the possible profit. I mean, only 10% of the world uses Macs, and a lot of education and businesses.

[Cyrax9]

Originally posted by gekko
They don't port Mac games cause sometimes the cost of proigrammers, and the rarety of programmers is greater than the possible profit. I mean, only 10% of the world uses Macs, and a lot of education and businesses.

True Gekko, but this ame is boasting that "it has the most versitle graphics engine since UT", if Diversions Entertainment is going to try and make a Graphics Engine the focal point of the game, then the Mac should be the first thing in their minds, remember no Buiseness with a Half-Decent idea of "eye-candy" would design their graphics engine on the PC only. They've done a few rough skectechs on a G4 for some of the "robot MOdels" i the game, so if the only thing needed is the coding, maybe some people who have used both system should star a copany that'l "port" games to the Mac market.

Believe me, Normally I wouldn't say that the Mac needs more games, but since alot of people use gams asa major part of their PC's, maybe Apple should start , offering more games, it'd get alot more M$ people to convert.

My Uncle is visiting, and this is an actual quote he made that I, personally think holds some truth:


"Bill Gates is just Hitler without the mustasche and Uniform."

Normally I would have taken offesnse to that, but after readuing about what Microsoft is trying to do, and is doing as well, they really are opresser's of free speach, and are trying to "force" the world into using ebverything as a Microsoft product. To me aside from "Mudering" people, they are basically doing everything over that was done in 1942 by the Nazi's, and are tyring to remove any trace of "Non-Microsoft" software from the market. This shares such a comparison with what the Nazi's did that it's extremley scary. The differance is, that people aren't dying from Microsoft's stupidty, but raher, the economy is dying, and while money may not be the most improtant thing in the world, it is, nevertheless, extremly important, if only to put fod on your table.

Persoanlly I think that if apple where to release " LIsenced Clones" of their systems running "Mac OS X", microsoft would have the tables turned on them extremly fast, and they would be losing money. The reason Windows is so popular is because Microsoft has offered it to hundreads of Computer Companies, and Apple hasn't offered "Mac OS X" to any other PC makers. If Mac were to allow "Clones" to be made (Remember how every "PC" that wasn't an IBM was a Clone?) of "Mac" machines, than they might sell the way pC's do, and the playing field could be leveled, just a thought.

[gekko]

No, cause Apple is more than an OS company. They make the hardware to support the software. Like, their new thing is being the digital hub. Pentium 4 is trying to copy Apple with "The center of your digital world" if you haven't noticed.

Anyway, they started by making FireWire ports standard on all Macs, and release iMovie, so consumers can edit DV movies. Then they released CD-RWs standard and released iTunes so consumers can burn their own CDs... EASILY (Not common among PC users). Then they released the SuperDrive, and released iDVD so you can make your own DVD movies. They also released iPod with FireWire, because it's a better transfer metheod, and every Mac has FireWire standard.

You also need to realize that apple has great control over the future of the PC industry, and they would lose that. USB wasn't accepted in the PC world until Apple standardized it. Same thing with FireWire. Apple can't make these things standard if other companies are allowed to make PCs and run OS X. I mean look at the PC world, they still run off floppies, FireWire isn't standard, ethernet isn't standard. I walk in to a store and buy a Mac, and I know I'm getting a CD-RW, ethernet, 56K, USB, FireWire, and built in sound card, all standard. If I walk in to buy a PC, I'm likely going to miss out of ethernet, and FireWire. Hell, G4s come with GIGABIT ethernet STANDARD. It costs nearly $500 for a PC user to get gigabit ethernet.

Macs are such a great platform because the hardware is controled by Apple. The minute Apple lets loose and the OS is run on different hardware, the Windows problems begin to emerge. Compatability issues, problems with the drivers, your sound card not supporting your DVD drive. It's something only Mac users can understand. Apple hardware is part of what makes Macs so great.

[Cyrax9]

Interesting thoughts Gekko, but if Apple is keeping to themselves wouldn't that constitue that hey also have a monopoly that's just not noticed? I like everything Apple has except FireWire, which is really just a pain for what I use my Comp for, now as far as the DVD/CD Burner being STANDARD, I like that, and PC's are behind in the DVD area, however Apple needs to get more games.

I don't like the fact that I can't store a small file on a regular floppy though like I can on the PC, I usually have a small document or an old game on a floppy, and I don't see the reason to use 1 Zip disk to store that stuff, which is why I'll probanly have to pay $50 for a Mac Floppy when the time comes. I still think that should have been left in for small things, you don't need 100MB or 250MP to store a small word proseccing document from work or another wsord porccessor, and Zip Disks are overpriced. I passed my Local Apple store today and almost went in, but I knew that if I got inside, I'd never leave and I had to come home.

[Revival]

MOTHER F**KER!

In case you didn't know, there is no more Compaq Computer -- on Tuesday it switched over to HP . Well, my dad saw this as an oppertunity to get me a new computer and not have it be a Mac.. he's going to get one from HP, at no cost. The worst thing is, I don't get to choose anything that comes with it

This sucks major ass! I gotta get my mom to convince my dad otherwise!

[gekko]

Originally posted by Cyrax9
Interesting thoughts Gekko, but if Apple is keeping to themselves wouldn't that constitue that hey also have a monopoly that's just not noticed? I like everything Apple has except FireWire, which is really just a pain for what I use my Comp for, now as far as the DVD/CD Burner being STANDARD, I like that, and PC's are behind in the DVD area, however Apple needs to get more games.

I don't like the fact that I can't store a small file on a regular floppy though like I can on the PC, I usually have a small document or an old game on a floppy, and I don't see the reason to use 1 Zip disk to store that stuff, which is why I'll probanly have to pay $50 for a Mac Floppy when the time comes. I still think that should have been left in for small things, you don't need 100MB or 250MP to store a small word proseccing document from work or another wsord porccessor, and Zip Disks are overpriced. I passed my Local Apple store today and almost went in, but I knew that if I got inside, I'd never leave and I had to come home.

FireWire is the future man! It's almost 5 times faster than USB, and can also be linked up with a million hubs. DV cameras, external HDs, external disk drives, and everything else benefits from FireWire. Also, it can handle the transfer of a lot more power, explaining any the iPod charges through the FireWire cord, and other crap like MP3 players and Palm's the transfer through USB have a seperate power cord going to the dock.

I forgot to mention Apple ADC (Apple Display Connector), which allows you to transfer power, USB, and the video signal all through the same cable. So you got your huge 23" flat panel hooked up, with your 2-port USB hub, video signal, and power all going through one simple cable. Very nice, considering how fat those monitor cables are.

And a monopoly is making it impossible for someone to compete against your company. And since MS has such a big market share, and the way they handle business with the computer companies and stuff mentioned before, they make it nearly impossible for any other company to come in the picture and compete.

And Apple doesn't make any of their own hardware, for the most part. They basically just get it custom designed, and buy from certain companies. Look at my computer, SuperDrive made by Pioneer, Zip drive by Iomega, HD by IBM, graphics by NVIDIA, etc. It's just where Microsoft may make their OS support USB 2 or whatever, it means nothing. When Apple makes Mac OS support USB 2, they also put it standard on all Macs, so companies know that if they make hardware for it, everyone who buys a new Mac will have the ports and everything. Apple made iMovie because anyone who bought a Mac from that point on would have FireWire and the ability to transfer their movies. Apple made iTunes because everyone from that point on would be able to burn a CD. Apple made iDVD because from that point on, anyone who bought a new higher-end Mac would have the option of a DVD burner. Apple made iPod connect with FireWire because they knew everyone who bought a Mac within the last few years, can connect via FireWire. Very few PCs even come with FireWire ports, you need to buy a new card and deal with drivers not working. It's not really a monopoly, but from a consumer standpoint, you can't get much better.

I want a new Mac. I want a G5 badly. think they're supposed to stard out with dualies over 2ghz, and will probably feature FireWire 2 and USB 2, or at least 1. Also will probably have the newest NVIDIA card, and probably some things we don't expect. Maybe built in 5.1 support? But in reality, because Macs standardized all this crap, my 1-year old Mac will probably last much longer than any of your computers, and I haven't upgraded anything. I have a DVD burner, still not an accepted technology. I have gigabit ethernet, I doubt any of you PC users can claim that. I got FireWire support, I was looking at a new PC and they still don't have it standard. Granted processors advance quickly, any standard person could use this Mac for quite a few new years. The only thing that really would be affected are games. To the average user, the ones who would probably have the hardest time with trouble shooting, my Mac would be good for a few more years, easily.

Gigabit ethernet probably won't be a really accepted PC technology for consumers for another 2 or 3 years. It might make it in businesses, but I've had it for a year now. Windows may be the gamers' platform of choice, but hook up a few Macs to a gigabit hub and you'll be playing games with pings of 5.

And I agree, Macs need an improvement in games. But look at the past few years, it's improved a lot. Problem is more companies need to port their own games. Devine is id's Mac guy, and when he did the RtCW beta, it was sweet as hell. But once they gave it to Aspyr to port, it didn't run as well. I mean, PC games run better, but if more companies started porting in-house, that would narrow the gap. I mean, look at Blizzard games, they run great on Macs. It's improving, and give it time and it will only get better.

PCs are better for games, Macs are better for everything else. And considering most people do more than just play games, Macs aren't a bad choice.

And Shooter, tell your parents you want an iBook because you like Apple's designs better, and the way they run. Depndable at college and all. Then say you want to spend these next few years running a Mac at home to get software, and get used to running it, and stuff like that. I mean, you're getting a PC for free, WTF is wrong with buying a Mac?

[Revival]

Originally posted by gekko
And Shooter, tell your parents you want an iBook because you like Apple's designs better, and the way they run. Depndable at college and all. Then say you want to spend these next few years running a Mac at home to get software, and get used to running it, and stuff like that. I mean, you're getting a PC for free, WTF is wrong with buying a Mac?

Heh.. not a half bad idea

[GameMaster]

Originally posted by gekko


FireWire is the future man! It's almost 5 times faster than USB, and can also be linked up with a million hubs.

5, try 50 times. FireWire is extremely faster.