Nvidia: "Nintendo is talking nonsense" - Page 2

Typhoid · 02-15-2007, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ric

I personally believe that anyone who believes that graphics make a game or that graphics are the be all and end all of the gaming industry quite clearly has little or no knowledge of just exactly what it is they are talking about.

It's as though they thought to themselves -
''I know, if I make up some crap and say the words polygons and graphics it will sound like I know what I am talking about''

I will say this only once 'Gameplay Makes The Game What It Is, and nothing else'
That's why people still play the N.E.S
That's why people still play the Mega Drive (Genesis)
That's why people still play the Playstation

I dont see kids going out and buying an NES every day, or bugging their moms for an NES and a copy of Kid Icarus for Christmas because it's so amazing.

It seems people can never combine the two spectrums.
The people who are for graphics, get told graphics mean nothing.
And the people who are against graphics, say gameplay is everything.

Hello, brilliant idea here.
They both contribute symbiotically.
You can have a crap game look amazing, and it will still be a crap game.
You can have an amazing game be 8-bit, and it will be a crap game. Why, you ask? Compared to today. Kids these days didnt grow up playing what we did. Most dont know what the hell a "Dreamcast" even is. They've never blown a cartidge, and shook it to hear the tingy noises inside.

Amazing games to us for the 8/16-bit era are only amazing because we grew up with them. They're what we enjoyed in our childhoods.

Kids now cant get immersed in a storyline if each person's face looks like an identical block of peach, with maybe a little shading of orange around the edges.

The old games we find amazing (The old NES FF games/ Chrono Trigger / Nothing else comes to mind but you get the point) are that way because they were our childhood.

I wouldnt lump the playstation in that, nor the N64. Those have moderate graphics, compared to Marble Madness, or Sk8 or Die.

I wouldnt be amazed if kids now, couldnt give two ****s about Final Fantasy 7.
Hell, I wouldnt be surprised if some of you didnt even like that game. Welcome to subjectivity. The sole ideal that the gaming industry runs on.

Null · 02-15-2007, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ric

I personally believe that anyone who believes that graphics make a game or that graphics are the be all and end all of the gaming industry quite clearly has little or no knowledge of just exactly what it is they are talking about.

It's as though they thought to themselves -
''I know, if I make up some crap and say the words polygons and graphics it will sound like I know what I am talking about''

I will say this only once 'Gameplay Makes The Game What It Is, and nothing else'

i'd say the same thing about people who actually believe that the gameplay is the "only" important thing in a game.

its a mix. part graphics part game play. and one side weighs out more then the other depending on the game.

graphics are more then things looking pretty. graphics are responsible for the 3d world in general. many 3d games without advancements in graphics would never have become, because they just went possible in 2d.

games that use their graphics to draw you into the game would completely suck without those graphics.

graphics help gameplay in a lot more areas then just looking pretty.

that doesnt mean you cant like old games. old games are still great. but remember. without updated graphics many of thoes old games never woulda been either because they'd of looked like pong.

and many games would be just as good today without thier super graphics... as noted on PC where people turn down graphics to get an edge on line by running it smoother and quicker......

but it boggles the mind how some people can be so ignorant as to say graphics mean nothing and gameplay is everything. graphics and gameplay are sometimes one in the same.

bobcat · 02-15-2007, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Null

i'd say the same thing about people who actually believe that the gameplay is the "only" important thing in a game.

its a mix. part graphics part game play. and one side weighs out more then the other depending on the game.

graphics are more then things looking pretty. graphics are responsible for the 3d world in general. many 3d games without advancements in graphics would never have become, because they just went possible in 2d.

games that use their graphics to draw you into the game would completely suck without those graphics.

graphics help gameplay in a lot more areas then just looking pretty.

that doesnt mean you cant like old games. old games are still great. but remember. without updated graphics many of thoes old games never woulda been either because they'd of looked like pong.

and many games would be just as good today without thier super graphics... as noted on PC where people turn down graphics to get an edge on line by running it smoother and quicker......

but it boggles the mind how some people can be so ignorant as to say graphics mean nothing and gameplay is everything. graphics and gameplay are sometimes one in the same.

Graphics mean NOTHING, GAMEPLAY is EVERYTHING..........

They go hand in hand simple.