@&#%$@^# Microsoft, Die, damn you! - Page 2

gekko · 04-28-2002, 11:38 AM

Mac has almost all of the industrial programs. the entire design world revolves around Macs. Adobe's entire software lineup is PORTED to Windows. Macs got everything for graphic design, web design, movie editing, 3D, programming, etc.

Adobe's entire lineup, Macromedia's entire lineup, Final Cut Pro and DVD Studio Pro from Apple, Maya, Cinema 4D, Corel Bryce, QuarkXPress, LightWave, CodeWarrior, etc.

Windows has a few more in the 3D field, but that's it. Nothing you can't work around. And of course, that's also why business run both Mac and Windows. No one in their right mind does design work on Windows, but if you're into game design, you gotta switch over to Windows to use 3DS Max, unless you do it in Maya, which is highly possible, and can produce amazing results (weren't the Doom III guys designed using Maya?), but people don't want to learn, especially when they are looking at deadlines..

sdtPikachu · 04-28-2002, 08:01 PM

The Mac has all the graphic apps simply because the chip architecture is so much more suited to graphical utilities, an area where wintel PC's are still very limited. A decent G4 will do 10 GFLOPS in Photoshop, whilst a decent PC will have difficulty doing 2. Obviously, this is in part due to Adobe specially optimising PS for the Mac, but Mac hardware leaves PC's far behind for apps like this.

The business apps I'm primarily talking about are the non-graphical ones that are the supposed mainstay of your average office (namely office) and all sorts of other nik-naks (there's all manner of modelling tools that, to my knowledge, onyl exist on the PC here). Sure. Macs have the graphical apps world sewn up, but that's still a small proportion of the total business computer market.

The reason I'm such a strong advocate of Linux is that with it the same program will run just the same on a Mac as it will on Windows. You name a computer, and chances are you can buy a Linux distribution for it. It'll let you plug a Mac into a PC, and they won't grumble at all, etc etc

Unfortunately, it gives people a choice, and M$ don't want that....

Cyrax9 · 04-29-2002, 10:21 PM

Pirated Software, maybe some extreml;y old DOS ames that were taken afetr M$ canceled them, and my Compy of Adobe Illustartor 8.0 is Legal, because my Uncle Gave me the Disc and Lisence key as well, which means It's not stolen at all. As far as Microsoft goes, the day people realize what they're doing to the world, maybe people wil stop buying M$ products. I just hope it's not to late. IF microsoft was a countr they'd be a Dictatorship and all freedom of speach would be crushed, they'd essentailly turn the world back to the time of WW2.

The name "The Evil Epire" really does suit them, because if they were in any "Star Wars" series, they would be the Imeprials, aka the"Empire".

May M$ burn in hell.

sdtPikachu · 04-29-2002, 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by Cyrax9
Legal, because my Uncle Gave me the Disc and Lisence key as well, which means It's not stolen at all.

Well, it depends on the license, but most licenses these days are made only with the person who bought the software, and in fact many of the newer licenses leave out the human element altogether and make a contract with the computer instead. Most are not legally transferable.

For instance, that windows 98 CD you got with your old computer - you are not allowed to give this to anyone, even if you're not using it yourself.
Xp is even worse. You're not allowed to buy a new computer and install your own copy of XP on that - you must buy a new copy for each new computer. Hopefully you're not going to change the hardware configuration much either, cos XP sees this as evidence for the computer changing (particularly in the early builds - people would install new RAM and XP would tell them they had to buy a new copy of XP).

Just another facet to my paranoid theory that M$ is trying to set up their own "we own your computer" mentality in their customers in order so that they can take the hardware out of the home...

"May M$ burn in hell" - sweet, sweet words. If anyone is au fait with the Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy then they may just see more than one similarity betwen the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation and M$.
"Their fundamental design flaws are completely hidden by their superficial design flaws". Hmm.

gekko · 04-29-2002, 11:19 PM

Microsoft is a monopoly, and it can't be stopped without being brought down legally. Only problem is the court rulings do nothing to bring down Microsoft. I mean, splitting up Microsoft only makes for worse products, which they can't make decent ones as is, let's not hurt them. The problem is how they force companies into selling their OS on the computers. How they force users to use their browser.

The reason so many people, like yourselfs except for our Linux fans, don't switch to another OS is simply because Windows is a monopoly. You guys don't think Macs have enough games, so you stick with MS's ****. You don't think it has enough software, so you stick with MS. Now most of you could easily switch over to Mac, no problem. Linux might be more difficult, but the thing is you really sit there and bitch without changing things. Now most of you are stuck with what your parents purchase, but look at the general public.

Most of you guys could easily get by using a Mac. In fact, I garauntee if any of you ever used my Mac for a day, you wouldn't go back to Windows. But at the same time, most of you can learn to troubleshoot pretty easily, so if anything goes wrong (less likely on Macs, may I remind you), you can fix it, or call your local Mac guru up from your PC and figure it out. The general public doesn't have that option. The general public gets a CD-RW drive installed at Best Buy because they have trouble hooking up a few cords and installing the drivers. The general public can't have a PC that doesn't boot up and mess around with the BIOS settings to try to fix it. The general public must use Windows, because if they ever switch, they lose the local support. They would have to find a local Mac shop, which consists basically of Apple Stores, CompUSA, and various small shops you've never heard of.

See, the reason Microsoft has a monopoly is because the Windows users that can convert, aren't willing to convert, and the other users are not able to. It's like buying your first truck, but every car shop within 100 miles only worked on cars. You're almost forced into buying the product, and yes, that's a monopoly.

Now to all you fine fellows, convert already, damn! Need reasons to go to a Mac, start a new thread and I can write pages on a single subject. May I remind you, everything is easier on a Mac

manasecret · 04-30-2002, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by Ric
Right before I get started I just have to say to the guy above me: 'Secret Of Mana Rules'...

Word. I noticed your previous avatar, which I think was some tiger enemy from SOM. Have you played Seiken Densetsu 3? I've had it on emulator for a long time, but for some reason I just never played much into it. I will eventually..

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sdtPikachu · 05-01-2002, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by manasecret
Word.

OK then... how about "cabbages"? Or "defenestrate"? Or "circumlocution"? Or even "pleonasm"?

They're all very good words.

Is this "word" thing related to that "w00t" thing? I hate and detest therm both you understand, and wish to find out what they mean so I may mock you all the more.

Cyrax9 · 05-02-2002, 01:15 AM

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Originally posted by gekko
Microsoft is a monopoly, and it can't be stopped without being brought down legally. Only problem is the court rulings do nothing to bring down Microsoft. I mean, splitting up Microsoft only makes for worse products, which they can't make decent ones as is, let's not hurt them. The problem is how they force companies into selling their OS on the computers. How they force users to use their browser.

The reason so many people, like yourselfs except for our Linux fans, don't switch to another OS is simply because Windows is a monopoly. You guys don't think Macs have enough games, so you stick with MS's ****. You don't think it has enough software, so you stick with MS. Now most of you could easily switch over to Mac, no problem. Linux might be more difficult, but the thing is you really sit there and bitch without changing things. Now most of you are stuck with what your parents purchase, but look at the general public.

Most of you guys could easily get by using a Mac. In fact, I garauntee if any of you ever used my Mac for a day, you wouldn't go back to Windows. But at the same time, most of you can learn to troubleshoot pretty easily, so if anything goes wrong (less likely on Macs, may I remind you), you can fix it, or call your local Mac guru up from your PC and figure it out. The general public doesn't have that option. The general public gets a CD-RW drive installed at Best Buy because they have trouble hooking up a few cords and installing the drivers. The general public can't have a PC that doesn't boot up and mess around with the BIOS settings to try to fix it. The general public must use Windows, because if they ever switch, they lose the local support. They would have to find a local Mac shop, which consists basically of Apple Stores, CompUSA, and various small shops you've never heard of.

See, the reason Microsoft has a monopoly is because the Windows users that can convert, aren't willing to convert, and the other users are not able to. It's like buying your first truck, but every car shop within 100 miles only worked on cars. You're almost forced into buying the product, and yes, that's a monopoly.

Now to all you fine fellows, convert already, damn! Need reasons to go to a Mac, start a new thread and I can write pages on a single subject. May I remind you, everything is easier on a Mac

Like I said M$'s gravy train ends here, I was able to "leeech" one last PC out of my dad, and I loaded it, while still leaving room for expansions. I'm running Windows ME, and while it's pretty good, at least my copy, Mac OS X makes it look like a pile of Dung. I was forced into Office XP, and I've made about 5 or 6 changes to the system, new DVD-ROM Drive, new MPEG-2 Decoder, a Video Capture Card, a USB Cable Modem, and a few programs that cnaged the system regisrty, mainly DirectX 8.1 because my DirectX 8.0a was courrupt.

So far Office XP still works, but it's the last MS office program I buy, I needed it for school, and that was the only reason I got it.

My next Computer will either be a Linux System or a Mac, I just wantto know which one has better DOS emulators and can play more games. If I can play a DOS Game that requires DOS 6.0, a Soundcard, joystick, mouse, and can simulate EMS and XMS memory, with some added perks I'll be fine for awhile, if it can play some Windows games with a plug-in as well, that's even better. I'm just sick of Microsoft, and chances are, in af ew years I'll build a Linux Computer, or I'll buy a Mac. As long as I can run my DOS stuff and some old games as well as new gamesa be it on a Mac, or with a plug-in in Linux I'll be fine. In three years I'll probably be looking for a new Computer, and it won't be a M$ system.

If I get a Mac, I know where to get it repaired, gekko, have you tried www.PCMall.com? They're an authorized Mac resellerand repair center, their's and apple store in Princeton near my doctors, so my Mac can get a Check-up at the same time as I do, and I like my friend's Mac much beter than my old PC. I originally wanted a MAc, but my dad wanted a M$ system, I was stuck with Windoze 3.1, now you know why I hate M$ even more. If Pika has any good DOS preograms for Linux, tell me if they're availibel int he US, and for how much? If their are any DOS programs for MAc OS X, please tel me their rpice and hwo well they stack upo against each other.

I refuse to lose my DOS games, and XP would cause that anyway, so it's now time for a Mac or Linux on my next PC. My brother will have a new Comp before me, and then my parent's wil get a new Comp, my dad will stick with Moronsoft, my brother might be smart enough to buy a Mac or a Linux system as long as it plays One Must Fall: Battlegrounds, I don't see a reason it shouldn't considering that if Diversions Entertainment was smart they'd make a Mac Version.

Now about that Adobe Illustrator Lisence Pika, considering the Box was never opened before I recived the Program, and my Uncle bought copies in bulk since he's a professional artist, I don't think it's much of a problem, I broke the seal on the box, not him, so the lisence wasn't even in use until I opened the Software's Box and Installed it on my PC.

As far as the Windows 98 CD goes, you are right to an extent, if you sell your Old PC though, you are legally alllowed to sell all software that game with the old PC, as long as it is sold with the P. YOu can't sel the PC to one person and Windows 98 to another, but if everytign is sold as it was originally shipped, it's a legal sale, at least the TOS that were placed into action earlier tis year say so. You can't install it on more than one PC either, but if you sell and old PC, you can sell everything that came with it, as long as you don't keep any copies of it. I gave away a 486 with Windows 3.1 and evrything that came with it, the manuals, the Disks, and the original boxes. That was legal because I no longer have any copies of those orignal programs, however if I were to take my Windows ME CD and Copy that to a new PC and then sell this one, it would be ilegal. I know about M$ Office XP, and I hate it with a passion because of Product activation. AS long as I can play my games that came out on or before 1999 on my next Computer 'l be hapy, if I can use a DOS emulator for Linux that's fine too.

Case and point, I'm not buying anything else labeled M$ unless I'm forced to doso for a job or college, and if I can get a Mac or LInux PC for College, than that's what I'm getting.

sdtPikachu · 05-03-2002, 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by Cyrax9
If Pika has any good DOS preograms for Linux, tell me if they're availibel int he US, and for how much?

These are the droids you're looking for

DOSEMU, like is says on the tin, is a DOS emulator for Linux. I've not used it myself (seeing as I started using computers full time oooh less than a year ago, I don't have much experience or need of DOS).

As far as cost goes - as indeed the cost of almostevery GNU/Linux program - zilch. Totally free. Just click on that link, download the source code, compile it, install it and bingo. Anything you see released under the GPL (Gnereal public license) will cost you nothing other than the price of the internet connection downloading it.

Remember you can run Linux on a mac if you want to. My friend had a G4 TiBook, and he's running SuSE 7.3 as well as OS X. Personally, I'd just ditch OS X (it has to be said I don't like it very much at all) but what the hell.

Main thing I don't like about MacOS (at least the ones I've tried) is that it's an opaque operating system, and you can't see what it's doing, and I adore Linux for it's total transparency - there's no such things as hidden anything. Some people however do have a problem with this, as well as it being at heart a command line OS, so there's not as many flashing buttons and whirly gizmos. But you can do whate er you want with it, and (if you know how to code) radically alter bits of it too. If you're interested in coding, Linux comes with a great set of dev tools, including lots of compilers and such. Not that I can code mind.

As far as running windows progs under Linux goes, there are several apps out there to take care of this for you, the most famous being WINE (I believe a recursive acronym for WINE Is Not an Emulator) - like in this screenshot. Some of them are quite good, but obviously there are still bugs. The nice thing about projects like WINE is that they tell you exactly what works and what doesn't. Most of the better emulators cost about $50, although I think WINE is still free (in any case, I've got it installed).

As far as the licensing goes, I wsa just joking really. I consider Adobe to be total bastards, so I don't really care about people pirating their stuff to their hearts content. Same goes for M$ too.

As far as people beig stupid with computers goes, I do my best to eductae people through all the meaningless and inexplicable jargon the industry invented in order to confuse people, with the hope that they actually get to kowe just what their computer can do/is doing- and hopefully abandon M$ in the process.

Cyrax9 · 05-04-2002, 06:07 PM

Like I said, this will be the last Machine to run anything M$ Based, and now that My happieness has been Confirmed for a Linux System, guess what I'll be looking at Next Year?

No I'm not going to cease using my Current PC, at least not for another three years, I just got it last August, and I'll Juice it to death before I "retire" it to a Secondary Machine, but when I do get a new PC, I'll be puttin most of it together myself if I'm able to help out well enough at building a PC from Scratch with factory-fresh components this summer at the Computer Camp I'm working at. I actually know alot of QBasic, some HTML (Mainly used for text-editing), LoGo (the language used for robots), and Visual Basic, unfortuantly it's M$ Visual Basic, and If the scool didn't didn't require it for me to learn C++ I would have avoideed it entirely. Next year I'll be getting lessons in C++ whichi is what I've wanted, so I'm hopeing to finally be able to use some of my Programming Knowledge.

Thanks for the Links Pika, I'll be ready to use them when the time is right, I've already decided that even though it's a "M$" USB intellimouse that's "injection-painted" Yellow and Costs $50 I'm going to buy it, just because it Matches my PC and dosen't have the word of the devil, "Microsoft" on it, but rather, a NIce Close-encounter's alien-head. THat's the only thing I don't like about Mac's, the Mice that they ship with usually! A one-Button mouse annoys me more than anything,espeically since it dosen't have a scroll-wheel, so if I bought a Mac I'd take Gekko's advice, and use my old M$ USB mouse just because I can't stand Control-click. I also need a "Back-Up" USB Mouse, but their will be no more M$ OS's bought by me, no more M$ office programs unless I am "forced" into using them for school in which case I'l have them pay for it, and as son as I'm done with it I'll Delete it, no more M$ Program variations availible on other systems, and most importantly, no M$ XBox! I wouldn't turn on the big "N" like that, andI would sooner buy a PS2 than an XBox.

Here's a message for Billy Gates: "I don't buy crap, I flush it! Remember that the next time you're putting Sewage in Boxes on store Shelves!"

I got this PC for several reasons one of them being to "milk my dad the cow" and get one last PC out of him, after that, it's fair game and I don't intendo for the letters "M" and "S" to be on any of my Software unless it's absolutly Nessecary.

manasecret · 05-05-2002, 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by sdtPikachu
OK then... how about "cabbages"? Or "defenestrate"? Or "circumlocution"? Or even "pleonasm"?

They're all very good words.

Yes they are very good words; whatever you want it to mean to you.

It means something specific to me, in a conversational, non-formal, non-anal style, and it got my point across. And obviously it annoyed you, so perhaps it was in good use.

Two other good words: "Lighten," "Up." Or are you going to be anal about the use of those words, too?

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sdtPikachu · 05-07-2002, 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by manasecret
Yes they are very good words; whatever you want it to mean to you.

It means something specific to me, in a conversational, non-formal, non-anal style, and it got my point across. And obviously it annoyed you, so perhaps it was in good use.

Two other good words: "Lighten," "Up." Or are you going to be anal about the use of those words, too?

That may be, but I don't see how by simply saying "word" you get your point across. If you could perhaps exlain what it means I may be a bit less sarky about the whole thing.

It's not that it annoys me, I just see it as totally pointless and therefore amusing.

"And obviously it annoyed you, so perhaps it was in good use."

So it's intended to annoy me? Well why didn't you say so?

manasecret · 05-07-2002, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by sdtPikachu
That may be, but I don't see how by simply saying "word" you get your point across. If you could perhaps exlain what it means I may be a bit less sarky about the whole thing.

It's not that it annoys me, I just see it as totally pointless and therefore amusing.

It means "I think what you say is true" (that being what Ric said, "Secret of Mana Rules"). Or I guess literally it means "I think the words you used are true." But instead of sounding stupid and actually saying that, I just said Word. There is probably another way of saying what I meant without the slang and manage not to sound stiff, but sometimes I don't really want to think all too much; so a cliche of slang can be useful.

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"And obviously it annoyed you, so perhaps it was in good use."

So it's intended to annoy me? Well why didn't you say so?

Perhaps it sounds as if I'm twisting my words around, but I used 'perhaps' purposely to mean that I didn't say Word to annoy you on purpose, but that perhaps it was a good effect anyway. Perhaps that will help, perhaps?

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sdtPikachu · 05-08-2002, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by manasecret
Perhaps that will help, perhaps?

You used "perhaps" twice in that sentence. Word.