03-29-2002, 12:40 AM
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Well, he is my take on the different "parties" (and yes, this is way over-simplified):
1st party: The company that owns the console
2nd party: A company that has some sort of contract thingy that forces them to develop exclusively for a console
3rd party: A company that is totally independant and that can take it's games where-ever they want when-ever they want
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03-29-2002, 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by Yoda9864
Well, he is my take on the different "parties" (and yes, this is way over-simplified):
1st party: The company that owns the console
2nd party: A company that has some sort of contract thingy that forces them to develop exclusively for a console
3rd party: A company that is totally independant and that can take it's games where-ever they want when-ever they want
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Under your definition, Rare is a third party because they can plublish thier own games... Plus they have no contract with Nintendo to make thier games exclusive. (even though the franchises they use have to stay exclusive)
But like I said before, I think it comes down to the games... there is a crystal clear difference between a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd party game... but a developer can develop all three types of games at the same... NBA 2k2, and Sonic can be labeld as 2nd party (for Dreamcast) and third party (for Gamecube) games. So what "party" is Sega in?
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03-29-2002, 07:16 AM
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The PsYcHo
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BJW, you are talking complete and utter crap, how was sonic for Dc a 2nd party game?
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03-29-2002, 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by BigJustinW
Under your definition, Rare is a third party because they can plublish thier own games... Plus they have no contract with Nintendo to make thier games exclusive. (even though the franchises they use have to stay exclusive)
But like I said before, I think it comes down to the games... there is a crystal clear difference between a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd party game... but a developer can develop all three types of games at the same... NBA 2k2, and Sonic can be labeld as 2nd party (for Dreamcast) and third party (for Gamecube) games. So what "party" is Sega in?
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No by Yoda's definition Rare would be a 3rd party. I think a company owning about 50% of another company is pretty close to a contractual obliagation.
And even though Rare could publish their own games really don't mean they can take it anywhere they went. Like you said Nintendo opwns pretty much all their franchises, so you can't expect Rare to make PD0 or Banjo and take it to the Ps2 or X-Box.
Sonic for DC was a first party game. The game was made by Sega. Sonic Team is a development house of Sega of Japan. The 2k2 were a 2nd party game because Visual Concepts to my knowledge aren't really part of Sega's core 9 teams. I could be wrong.
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03-29-2002, 01:30 PM
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I believe Red Lobster owns the other 50% of Rareware, look for Perfect Dark Zero to come with a side of Popcorn Shrimp and a Diet Coke.
WHAT? 
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03-29-2002, 06:49 PM
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The Greatest One
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BJW, you are talking complete and utter crap,
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how was sonic for Dc a 2nd party game?
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It isn't, I mean NBA 2k2...
but anyway, Sonic adventure 2 on one system is a 1st party game, and on another system is a 3rd party game... so what type of developer is Sega?
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03-29-2002, 06:57 PM
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The PsYcHo
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Sorry about that comment, got carried away by the heat of the moment 
PLEASE FORGIVE ME!:eek:
Oh, you may have been referring ONLY to NBA 2k2, but you clearly typed:
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NBA 2k2, and Sonic can be labeld as 2nd party (for Dreamcast)
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Anyway, you made a typo, lets just leave it at that .
In answer to your pending question, Sega WAS a first party, and is NOW a third party. Your point? |
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03-29-2002, 06:59 PM
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Survivor Lord
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Originally posted by BigJustinW
but anyway, Sonic adventure 2 on one system is a 1st party game, and on another system is a 3rd party game... so what type of developer is Sega?
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At the time of it's release on DC, Sega was a first party developer. When it was released on GCN they were and still are a 3rd party developer. I don't see what logic you trying to get from that. You're talking about two different situations at two different times and trying to create a confusion out of them. That would be like me saying Canada was once under British rule many years ago and now is an independantly run country. So what does that make Canada, independant or under British rule? Unless I misunderstood your meaning. |
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03-29-2002, 07:15 PM
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The Greatest One
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At the time of it's release on DC, Sega was a first party developer. When it was released on GCN they were and still are a 3rd party developer. I don't see what logic you trying to get from that. You're talking about two different situations at two different times and trying to create a confusion out of them. That would be like me saying Canada was once under British rule many years ago and now is an independantly run country. So what does that make Canada, independant or under British rule? Unless I misunderstood your meaning.
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Uh, Sega was still making Games for Dreamcast AFTER they made games for Ps2 and GCN...
Other Examples:
Square made Mario RPG and Final Fantasy
Capcom made Zelda and Street fighter
Camelot made Mario Golf and Hot Shots golf
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03-29-2002, 07:25 PM
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The PsYcHo
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BJW, I fail to see the point you are trying to make here? |
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03-29-2002, 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by BigJustinW
Uh, Sega was still making Games for Dreamcast AFTER they made games for Ps2 and GCN...
Other Examples:
Square made Mario RPG and Final Fantasy
Capcom made Zelda and Street fighter
Camelot made Mario Golf and Hot Shots golf
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Well that is easy.
The first game behind each of the companies you listed is a 2nd party game made by a 3rd party developer.
the second is a 3rd party game made by a 3rd party.
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03-29-2002, 07:27 PM
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Survivor Lord
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Originally posted by BigJustinW
Uh, Sega was still making Games for Dreamcast AFTER they made games for Ps2 and GCN...
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Yeah never mind what I said, I was thinking that Sonic 2 was released BEFORE it was announced that Sega was going multi-platform.
And I also still don't see your point |
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03-29-2002, 07:40 PM
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The Greatest One
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Originally posted by BreakABone
Well that is easy.
The first game behind each of the companies you listed is a 2nd party game made by a 3rd party developer.
the second is a 3rd party game made by a 3rd party.
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So what's a 2nd party developer?
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03-29-2002, 07:43 PM
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The Greatest One
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Ridley, Link... my point is that developers can't be classified in parties... but games can be.
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03-29-2002, 07:52 PM
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The Greatest One
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Right this is annoying me now, BJW I may not hold a position of power here at GT but I feel I speak for the people when I say SHUT THE HELL UP.
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lol, you really think teling me to shut up will stop me from talking?
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Stop acting like a child, I respect the opinions and views expressed by everyone however this has got way out of hand, can we get back on topic please,
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How am I off topic?
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oh wait, RAREWARE ARE SECOND PARTY EXCLUSIVE TO NINTENDO and thats all there is to it, The End.
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Just like in the SNES days when Square was called a Nintendo 2nd party and they were exclusive to Nintendo?
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Why did you delete that post?
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