Final Fantasy VII on PS3

[MuGen]

Originally Posted by Xantar

It's very simple: sooner or later, people will get tired of franchises getting whored out. If it happened to Tomb Raider, it can happen to Final Fantasy VII. So even if I loved FF VII and thought it was the greatest game ever made (which I don't), I wouldn't want this because ultimately, it would hurt the franchise. In the coming years, Final Fantasy VII is overexposed already, and from where I sit, people who don't have Cell chips running their brains are already getting tired of it. As far as they're concerned, Square-Enix should have just stopped with Advent Children.

By the way, I'd really like to see where you get off saying that lots of people would love to see this happen. Lots of your friends want it? People slobber over it on message boards you visit? Great. Now show me some solid data.

And while you're at it, try to differentiate between people "who would love to see it happen" and people "who would pay $50 to play the game all over again."

Stop antagonizing me because you don't think FFVII Is one of the best Final Fantasy games ever made. Aside from VI, VII marked one of the best storylines ever interpolated into a RPG.

It surprises me that you don't even know about the mass cult following FFVII has. Go to any gaming forum, mention FFVII and you'll get a mass amount of people from each forum that will accomodate you, Albeit GT considering it used to be a Nintendo forum and VII seperated marked a new relationship from Nintendo and on Playstation..

Nintendoids pay money all the time to see Mario in everything else, and they pay money for Zelda after Zelda game....... Now.... to pay $50 for a remake of a game thats only been done once....isn't going to hurt the franchise as much as you would hope it would. All FF games have been original, except for X-2 being a sequel. And you cannot count Advent Children considering it's a friggin movie.

So to have a VII remake? You act as if this is the millionth time they've remade a game. Honestly the only 'whoring' I've seen from Square is FFX-2.

[Ginkasa]

Originally Posted by Sony

Stop antagonizing me because you don't think FFVII Is one of the best Final Fantasy games ever made. Aside from VI, VII marked one of the best storylines ever interpolated into a RPG.

Overly confusing storylines does not equal best FF.

Originally Posted by Sony

It surprises me that you don't even know about the mass cult following FFVII has. Go to any gaming forum, mention FFVII and you'll get a mass amount of people from each forum that will accomodate you, Albeit GT considering it used to be a Nintendo forum and VII seperated marked a new relationship from Nintendo and on Playstation..

I knew he'd start calling us Nintendo fanboys at some point...

Now listen. Xantar is not a Nintendo fanboy in anyway. Now, he only post every now and then (more so recently, but still not a whole lot) and you are relatively new, so I can't blame you for not knowing him, but I can safely assure you that he is not a "fanboy" of any kind.

As for me, well, FFVII was my first Final Fantasy. I didn't really even know what either Square or Final Fantasy were until well into the N64/PSX era (that would be after the split). My favorite FF is FFIX, a PSX game. Not liking FFVII the best has nothing to do with it being the first FF not on a Nintendo system or anything to do with the split. I just don't like it as much as others.

Originally Posted by Sony

Nintendoids pay money all the time to see Mario in everything else, and they pay money for Zelda after Zelda game.......

Originally Posted by Sony

Now.... to pay $50 for a remake of a game thats only been done once....isn't going to hurt the franchise as much as you would hope it would. All FF games have been original, except for X-2 being a sequel. And you cannot count Advent Children considering it's a friggin movie. So to have a VII remake? You act as if this is the millionth time they've remade a game. Honestly the only 'whoring' I've seen from Square is FFX-2.

We don't hope that a remake will hurt the franchise; not at all. I love Final Fantasy, which is why I would rather play a whole new game than an old one with a new face.

And there are far more FFVII products coming out than a remake and a movie. There is: Dirge of Cerberus, Crisis Core, and Before Crisis. With a remake, there will be four new games based off of the FFVII universe. While I was all up for a sequel or whatever, this is way too much. And the movie does count because it is still helping to oversaturate the market, whether it is a game or a "friggin movie."


/me shrugs and walks away

[Xantar]

Originally Posted by Jerry Falwell

Stop antagonizing me because you don't think FFVII Is one of the best Final Fantasy games ever made. Aside from VI, VII marked one of the best storylines ever interpolated into a RPG.

It surprises me that you don't even know about the mass cult following FFVII has. Go to any gaming forum, mention FFVII and you'll get a mass amount of people from each forum that will accomodate you, Albeit GT considering it used to be a Nintendo forum and VII seperated marked a new relationship from Nintendo and on Playstation..

Nintendoids pay money all the time to see Mario in everything else, and they pay money for Zelda after Zelda game....... Now.... to pay $50 for a remake of a game thats only been done once....isn't going to hurt the franchise as much as you would hope it would. All FF games have been original, except for X-2 being a sequel. And you cannot count Advent Children considering it's a friggin movie.

So to have a VII remake? You act as if this is the millionth time they've remade a game. Honestly the only 'whoring' I've seen from Square is FFX-2.

You know, I think it's really cute how you keep posting as if you think somebody is going to seriously pay attention. But just to accommodate you, let me point out a very simple distinction:

The internet does not equal the world.

Got that? Ok, good. Now, how many people will I find on any particular message board who reply "yes" when I ask the question, "Do you want a graphical update of Final Fantasy VII?" A hundred? A thousand?

Now how many copies does a Final Fantasy game have to sell in order to be considered a success? 500,000? A million?

You see my point, I hope. I'm never going to find enough people simply by combing through internet message boards to conclude one way or another. I might find that there's a rabid fanbase, but that says nothing at all about the real world out there where people spend real money. Metroid Prime was hailed by many as the possibly the greatest game made in this generation, but that didn't help sales of Metroid Prime: Echoes very much. The news that Resident Evil was coming to the GameCube sparked so much furor that countless petitions were started up asking Capcom to bring the franchise back so the PS2. You'd think that it was one of the biggest deals of the decade from all the hype that was started up at the time, but the truth is Resident Evil: Remake didn't do all that fantastically well either.

So why don't you tell me again: what proof do you have to offer me that a graphical update of Final Fantasy VII is in demand and will do well in sales? Internet message boards don't count. The most you could prove to me with that is that maybe 10,000 people would buy it. That's a bit of a far cry from hundreds of thousands, don't you think? Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because there are a bundh of rabic fanboys on the internet that the world at large will care at all about Final Fantasy VII. Using that same logic, I could also conclude that a Catherine Zeta-Jones videogame is also going to be a huge hit. In all likelihood, there are more people who know her name than there are people who have heard of Final Fantasy VII.

Incidentally, if you think that the only whoring Square Enix has done is FF X-2, then I guess you haven't heard of Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus or Final Fantasy VII: Before Crisis. Add these to Final Fantasy VII: Remake (or whatever they call it) and you get three games in the Final Fantasy VII world within a year and a half or so. At least when a new Mario or Zelda game is made, it takes place in a substantially different world. And besides that, it's been three years since either a Zelda or Mario game has come out on consoles. It's funny how people trying to criticize Nintendo always seem to miss little details like that.

[bobcat]

i'm a nintendo fanboy who likes FF

[Happydude]

what are these other 2 FFVII games? can anyone supply a link please?

[Perfect Stu]

Xantar, I know you like giving the guy a hard time...but I'll bite.

Who are you to say that a FFVII remake wouldnt sell extremely well?

REmake on Gamecube was a success...Resident Evil was a big hit when it was released originally

FFVII was a huge hit when IT was released originally...and with a 2-generation update (contrasting RE's one-gen update) I dont see why it wouldnt do just as good, if not considerably better.

Now, I honestly think a new Final Fantasy game would probably sell better...but I have a sneaking suspiscion that Final Fantasy VII remade on PS3 would sell its fair share of copies...

[Happydude]

everybody i know who has played FFVII and liked it want's to buy the graphic remake when it comes out....and that's quite a lot of people.

[MuGen]

Originally Posted by Happydude

everybody i know who has played FFVII and liked it want's to buy the graphic remake when it comes out....and that's quite a lot of people.

Thats the point I'm trying to make......A people who have played FFVII and liked it, wouldn't mind a newer polished version..

As did fans of RE when it was polished for GCN.

[DarkMaster]

Holy crap, I can't believe some people actually seem angry with SE for doing this. How can anyone be opposed to a company trying to make their fans happy? For years and years people have whined and bitched and begged for an expansion onto the FFVII universe (it IS widely proclaimed to be the best FF game ever, whether you agree or not), and now that the people are finally getting what they wanted, they still complain.

Yeah, they're also doing it for the vast amounts of cash. Guess what? That's what companies do, they make money. People will buy it, so they're going to make it.

If you don't like it, don't play it. The fact of the matter is, there ARE people who want this to happen, so instead of bickering about it, just go play something else.

SE can assign a team to develop a FFVII remake and it will not affect any other game's development AT ALL. They have a LOT of development teams (Square teams, Enix teams, Tri-Ace teams, Game Arts teams, Working Design teams...), how else do you think that they're managing to currently work on FFXII, Dirge of Cerberus, Crisis Core, Before Crisis, Kingdom Hearts 2, Code Age Commanders, Grandia 3, Radiata Stories, Romancing Saga, Dragon Quest VIII, Fullmetal Alchemist 2, FullMetal Alchemist 3, Front Mission Online, Front Mission 5, FFII Mobile, Front Mission 2089 Mobile, Hexcite Fushion, Ambrosia Odyssey, Drakegard II, Heavy Metal Thunder, Dragon Quest Monsters series, FFIII (DS), FF: Crystal Chronicles (DS), Secret of Mana (DS), World of Mana, Slime Morimori Dragon Quest 2, FFXIII (this is confirmed to be in development), and a sequel to FFXI?

I mean seriously, who cares what the company does? If you think they're whoring out a series, then don't buy the games and move on.

EDIT: I forgot a few games in that list, it's now updated.

[Solid Snake]

I never owned the orginal playstation so I never played FFVII, but I bought a used version and played about two hours worth on my PS2. For me it is hard to go back to the retro games with realy bad graphics compared to what I am used to seeing. The point is, I would most likely buy a remake of FFVII just so I could experience what most people say is the best FF ever made.

Even though some people think it is a bad idea, I think SE would sell enough copies to make a huge profit on the remake.

[DeathsHand]

I'm with Darkmaster on this one... I mean surrusly...

I mean I agree that they're whoring out FFVII... But the thing is, they're doing it with games that are in completely different genres...

Dirge of Cerberus is an Action sort of game, almost like DMC, I believe...

That one on PSP is supposidly an action/RPG...

And a remake, of course, would be a straight-up RPG...

It's nothing like Tomb Raider, which was the same kind of game with the same kind of gameplay over and over and over again...

Also, just because it'd be a remake and the graphics would get an update, doesn't mean that's all they would do... Look at the RE remake, there's some new areas, new storylines, some new item placement and events, etc... And if you ask me, the remake blows the original out of the water...

They could be doing something similar, keeping it true to the original while trying to keep it somewhat fresh... *shrug*

[Xantar]

Just so you know, REmake sold 500,000 copies. That's not bad all told, but it's not that good either. I never said a Final Fantasy VII remake would sell horribly, but by the standards of Final Fantasy games, which normally sell a million copies in Japan alone, it's not going to do that well. And besides that, I really think that all the Final Fantasy VII spin-offs and licenses are a bad idea. Even if they're in different genres or whatever, it's too much cashing in too fast. Even the biggest Squaresoft freaks I know have decided that the company has lost its creativity. After all, there was a time when Squaresoft didn't need to do this kind of rehashing. You may not hate the idea, you may even be planning to buy all the games, but there's nobody who has been fooled into thinking that this is anything other than a cynical ploy to get some cheap revenue. Honestly, would it be the end of the world for you if there was never a remake?

Where does it end? At the rate things are going, if all three of these new spin-off games sell well (which I'm not certain all of them will), Squaresoft will be encouraged to make even more Final Fantasy VII spin-offs. At some point, even if they're all different genres and have new levels or whatever, people are going to get tired of it.

I also wish that you all would stop telling me about how many people you know who would buy this game as if that actually means anything. I can tell you that half of the people I know who liked Final Fantasy VII don't plan to buy the remake and don't like the idea and it would be true. Hell, I could tell you that I personally know a few hundred people who would line up in stores to purchase a game that was written entrely in Vietnamese. Does that mean making a Vietnamese language game is going to be a good idea? When companies go around making decision like this, they do some market research. They don't go around asking some of their personal friends whether they would buy the new game. So stop thinking that your opinions and the opinions of the people you know means anything about the world at large. I certainly don't. What I do have is the history of remakes which demonstrates that such games are lucky if they can manage a million units sold worldwide.

In the short term, it certainly won't hurt Square-Enix to release a graphically updated version of Final Fantasy VII, but I guarantee that they are quickly reaching the point where people just aren't going to keep buying because they want something new. That's bad for the long term. If Square-Enix wanted to do this properly, it wouldn't kill them to wait three or four years in between each game. Nintendo, among others, has demonstrated that you can keep a franchise going forever that way. As it is now, I will be seriously surprised if Square-Enix even announces a Final Fantasy VII game or spin-off for the PS4. The cash cow just doesn't stretch that far.

[Canyarion]

Well I agree that they're milking it a bit too much. Their fans said 'FFVII is the best' and after a while they came up with all these extra FFVII things.

You won't hear people complain, like you don't hear them complain about every new Pokémon game, but it's not the path they should take.

To support Xantar a bit more on this:

Originally Posted by Happydude

everybody i know who has played FFVII and liked it want's to buy the graphic remake when it comes out....and that's quite a lot of people.

So you KNOW 'quite a lot of people' who would buy it, or you assume there are quite a lot of people that would, because you know a couple that will??

[MuGen]

The point isn't that a lot of people would jump in line to buy this game. The point is that FFVII may be undergoing a makeover in terms of graphics. That was the point of discussion, and you guys are jumping to conclusions and all of a sudden creating implications that the company is making a mistake, and that it either won't sell as much or won't sell at all. Every franchise has it's cult following and it's been proven. No matter how re-hashed a game is, there will be people out there who are willing to buy it or who really want to play it.

There was no original arguement about how many copies this will sell or not, that point came straight from your a$$ Xantar. MY point is that I know a lot of fans out there who wouldn't mind seeing a re-polished FFVII, whether it be forum followers or gamers I game with. You have no ground to discredit anyone. What you're doing is like going to a website you hate just to curse it off on it's tagboard.... wasting your time.

People will think this is a great idea and people will look forward to it. Then there are those who don't really care too much for it, or don't think it's really a big deal, nor do they think it's good move on Squeenix's part. But I'm one of those people who are looking forward to it, and I don't need you trying to super impose your thoughts about Square's market strategies on me. You talk in your posts about market strategies and Square enix as if you know what is happening behind closed doors.

We don't know if Square looked at all the fans and gave in to their letters, or if Square is just rehashing it for more money. One thing is for sure... .for a tech demo, the FFVII footage at the Sony Press Conference got the audience's blood pumping again. The point is not to play the game again with just upgraded graphics. It's to EXPERIENCE IT once again, with nice visuals and upgrades. You might not think so, but there is a difference between playing a game again and experiencing it again.

Curiosity lingers within all of us, whether it be strong or weak. The curiosity of seeing how they could present the world of FFVII in next-gen graphics interests me.. and thats that.

[Jonbo298]

Never liked FF games, dont expect me to get excited about this one