The Draft

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

I am anti-draft all the way. The only way I'd fight is if my country was being invaded. Then I would take up arms with no questions asked.

I'm one of those nuts that believe we should be able to solve the world's probelms with diplomacy. I know this is wholly unrealistic in many cases of world affairs but I hope that in the future, we can get our **** together and cooperate as a united people.

I'm very anti-violence and I don't feel it fair to force people to be put in a kill or be killed situation against their will. Wars are hardly ever worth fighting.

Well, at least you're realistic in the sense that you know your expectations are unrealistic. The only time we'll band together as one people is if the planet Earth is ever threatened.

[gekko]

The reason the pro-military folks are against it is it brings in some horrible soldiers. Many will refuse to fight, and the military will have to resort to the methods they used in Vietnam, severe ass-beatings, in order to get them to comply with orders. They also are not dependable in battle, and no one knows how they will react when bullets fly by. It's hard to take a pacifist and make him into a warrior.

For the anti-war folks, they are selfish. They don't care about fighting for their country, and they don't care about bringing the troops home. You know the quickest way to get our troops home? Send replacements. We have guys going for a 3rd tour in a 4 year enlistment, and if they ever activate stop loss again, they could end up doing 4. But they are selfish, and would rather they dodge bullets time and time again than allow them to finally see their family and watch their child grow up.

As for the people out there right now, don't say they knew what they were getting into. You have no idea. What you know about the military going in, when you choose to sign the contract, is completely different from the military you experience just a few months into that 4 years. Now what choice do you have? None. They signed up for what their recruiter told them it was like, now they spend 4 years realizing they made a mistake. So don't think we volunteer for it because we love this stuff. Most people I've met, hate it.

As for the draft, the biggest problem is that the people we bring in don't get the proper training before being sent to war. I'm not sure how the Army works, but in the Marine Corps, the 3 month boot camp is all about teaching discipline, the 8 week infantry school teaches very basic skills. You learn everything else at your unit. It's not enough to send them to war immediately.

The draft would be better used to replace stateside jobs so those guys can deploy, because a lot of former infantry move on after 4 years, go do something else. Get them back, and put someone else in their jobs.

The thing most of you don't realize is that war isn't political. You guys sit around all day debating worthless politics, but the politics end when you leave this country. As soon as you're walking the streets of Fallujah, it no longer matters why we went to war, whether it was just or not, or whether the war is worth fighting. It's irrelevant. You take a look at the situation and know you're in a foreign country, you're fighting a war, at any second someone may try to kill you, and if you die you won't be coming home. Politics no longer matters, all that you worry about is survival.

[Dylflon]

War is just so damn futile.

[Joeiss]

If Canada had a draft, and I got my notice or whatever... I would go without complaint.

[Solid Snake]

First off the President will only implement a draft in dire need, therefore I support it 100%. If this country ever comes to the point where it has no choice, but to draft soldiers it would be for a good reason, and I would probably volunteer before they could draft me.

Of course soldiers hate going to Iraq, find me one person that enjoys being away from home and getting shot at. Soldiers don't enlist to go to war, they enlist to be part of something bigger, they are there to be the few brave souls who want to make their country better and stand up to evil in the world. It takes a special person to fight wars.

I personally am in support of the Iraq war, the world is a better place today because of what we have done, the only thing that worries me is I am afraid of Iraq turning into another Gaza strip.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

There would be so much uprisal against it. Thats why I think, if it does ever happen, it will be an overnight thing. Not an ongoing "Its coming" sort of situation. Because that gives people time to leave the country, or declare religious reasons. And the more that have time to do that, the less that get drafted.

Typhoid, whether the draft happened overnight or with warning, you would have plenty of time to run. The military doesn't just sow up at your house without warning and grab you. You receive notice and then are expected to report for duty. If you refuse and don't run, you get even more time to plan for things waiting for your court date.

Listen, there is no way that a draft will ever happen in the near future, especially not for an elective war. Like you said, it would be political suicide for both Bush and the Republican party. Thats why organizations like MoveOn.org are trying to make everyone think that a draft will happen. They want to trick people into being against President Bush. It's the far-left philosophy of "victory by any means necessary". Lies, misinformation and slander are all fair game to them.

[BreakABone]

What would you do
If you were asked to give up your dreams for freedom
What would you do
If asked to make the ultimate sacrifice

Would you think about all them people
Who gave up everything they had.
Would you think about all them War Vets
And would you start to feel bad

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
No, there's a hefty f^ckin' fee.
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

What would you do
If someone told you to fight for freedom.
Would you answer the call
Or run away like a little pu$&y
'Cause the only reason that you're here.
Is 'cause folks died for you in the past
So maybe now it's your turn
To die kicking some ass

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
Now there's a have to hook'in fee
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

You don't throw in your buck 'o five. Who will?
Oooh buck 'o five
Freedom costs a buck 'o five


Er was just listening to the song...