Bush is a Goof

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by Xantar
[b]So, Joeiss, are you saying that we shouldn't have gone into the war against Al Quaeda and the Taliban?

I am not sure. I still do not know for certain what my outlook of it is... And I guess that I will not know for a while maybe. But, I am leaning towards the opinion that America is doing the right thing. Because like you said, eliminating the Taliban will eliminate more deaths in the end. But... This post isn't about me...

Look, I wasn't happy about the war. I'm not happy with the way Bush is looking for new targets in North Korea or Iraq.

Neither am I. I think that America wants to fight too much, and wants to use all their power. But, it could be good if Housin (sp?) is defeated or something... Or arrested... or at least if they let the UN inspect their weapons... Or something like that.

But nonetheless, destroying Al Quaeda is the right thing to do. Bush said that the only way to end violence is if fighting and evil are shut down. Do you really think Al Quaeda is going to do that? Do you seriously think for one instant that Al Quaeda fighters are going to just lay down their weapons and ask for peace?

I do not think that the Al Queda will do that. But, Bush said that escalating violence will not lead to peace. But, Bush's army is escalating the violence in Afghanistan. So, how can peace come about it if America's leader doesn't think it will?

If you do, you are naïve. They have shown that they are capable of incredible wrongdoing against innocent civilians and that moreover they would happily do it again if they are given the opportunity. I ask you again: do you really think Al Quaeda is going to be the one to stop the fighting?

No, again. I might even think that US are doing the right thing for eliminating the Taliban and Al Queda network. Terrorist organizations will not want peace, they want the opposite. But, what Bush said today, I would think that America would not be violent towards them.

So if not them, who else to do it but us (us being the people against Al Quaeda, that is)? And how are we going to stop Al Quaeda from committing more acts of terrorism? I can only think of one way, and that is to kill them. If you've got a better idea, one that will work, I'm all ears. But I've taken a long, hard look at this, and I've come to the conclusion that there really wasn't any other way. Al Quaeda has to be wiped off the face of the earth. Otherwise, more innocent civilians will die. Do you get it? By letting Al Quaeda continue to exist in its current form, you would advocate putting thousands of innocent civilians at risk.

Sorry, I do not have another idea. I wish I did, however. If we kill the Al Queda, many more lives might be saved . But, I see that a death is a death. I am not quite sure if I agree with the killing = less killing in the future aspect.

Never mind whether God has forgiven them or not. That's between Him and the individual people. Unless people are punished for their transgressions or prevented from committing further atrocities, all of civilization will collapse. And I'm pretty certain that God wouldn't want that.

I think that God has let everything that has happened for a reason. Who knows... Maybe 9/11 happened so terrorism could end. Hopefully that is true. I just wish that Bush would see eye to eye with his opinions and his actions.

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by Xantar
I'm sorry, but if you think politicians should disregard the people's views and adjust themselves accordingly, you are doubly naïve. Politicians should have some opinions, yes, but they also have to be realistic. They are representatives of the people, and as such, they should take the public into account when considering their actions.

I am sorry, but Bush is not just a politician, he is the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth. Let's just say that Bush did not want to send troops to beat the hell out of the Taliban in Afghanistan, he wanted to do what he proposed to the Middle east countries. Maybe he is living his dream in other countries.. Because if he fails, its not like Americans are dying, right?

Originally posted by Shooter
So whatever someone believes should be a reality?

I believe that everyone should have good health -- doesn't mean it's going to happen.

I would think that the President of the United States of America's opinion would count for alot of marbles. So, I think that a person of his status who has opinions like what he said today should eb a reality. I do not think that single people are more important than others, but that is how the majority of North America feels. So, if anybody should have alot of say, it should be President Bush.

[Xantar]

Originally posted by Joeiss

But, Bush said that escalating violence will not lead to peace. But, Bush's army is escalating the violence in Afghanistan. So, how can peace come about it if America's leader doesn't think it will?

How exactly is Bush escalating the violence? Answer me that.

I see a fundamental error in your thinking. To you, the battlefield consists solely of Afghanistan. That's just not true. The terrorist attacks of September 11th did not take place in Afghanistan, but they are as much a part of this war as the bombing of Kandahar. Bush didn't escalate the violence. He didn't initiate the conflict. Al Quaeda did that. Shouldn't Bush do something about that?

Moreover, Afghanistan is more peaceful than it has been in years. It still has enormous problems, but most would say that it is better off now than it was last year. Has Bush really escalated the violence even in Afghanistan?

But, I see that a death is a death. I am not quite sure if I agree with the killing = less killing in the future aspect.

Let's say somebody kills your mother. You know who he is. He has said that he will kill your father next.

Will you idly stand by and let him do it because you don't believe in killing to prevent further violence?

Let's suppose you give him the benefit of the doubt. Then he kills your father and targets one of your siblings next. Will you still take no action?

Remember, Al Quaeda not only masterminded the September 11th attacks but has also bombed U.S. embassies and military bases, resulting in hundreds of deaths. Should the U.S. stand idly by and not defend itself?

[Gamer]

If anyone killed ANYONE that i care about they would be dead, whether its right away or later on in life, they would pay for what they had done. I beleive that bush has reason to kill terrorists and i think it is not a problem, i actually agree with it. Like Xantar said, if someone killed you mother and said they were gonna kill your father and you knew who they were would you do nothing about it? I think not.

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by Xantar
[b]

How exactly is Bush escalating the violence? Answer me that.

How is Bush escalating violence? Easy. 1) Bombing the hell out of Afghanistan. 2) Sending troops to eliminate the Taliban soldiers. 3) America already killed thousands of Taliban.

Those three reason are how Bush has escalated violence.

I see a fundamental error in your thinking. To you, the battlefield consists solely of Afghanistan. That's just not true. The terrorist attacks of September 11th did not take place in Afghanistan, but they are as much a part of this war as the bombing of Kandahar. Bush didn't escalate the violence. He didn't initiate the conflict. Al Quaeda did that. Shouldn't Bush do something about that?

Yes, America soil was part of the battle ground. I realize that. But, Bush says that in Palestine/Israel can have peace if they stop the violence. Again, why doesn't USA do the same thing? Taliban initiated the violence, yes, but America has done alot of damage to Afghanistan. So I do not see how more destruction of lands can win anything.

Let's say somebody kills your mother. You know who he is. He has said that he will kill your father next.

Will you idly stand by and let him do it because you don't believe in killing to prevent further violence?

Let's suppose you give him the benefit of the doubt. Then he kills your father and targets one of your siblings next. Will you still take no action?

Wow. That is one hell of an example. And you know what? I seriously don't know what I would do. Sorry that I cannot answer that question.

Remember, Al Quaeda not only masterminded the September 11th attacks but has also bombed U.S. embassies and military bases, resulting in hundreds of deaths. Should the U.S. stand idly by and not defend itself?

Well, America did not start to get serious about terrorism after it happened on main land America. I seriously do not think that America thought that anybody would have the guts to attack them on home land. America did stand by and not defend itself. And September 11 was the result.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Joeiss: Just be glad I'm not the president of United States.

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by nWoCHRISnWo
Joeiss: Just be glad I'm not the president of United States.

Haha... I would hate to see what you would do! Thank God Chris is a citizen of Canada! A country with no real power!

Lol.

[Gamer]

Originally posted by Joeiss


Haha... I would hate to see what you would do! Thank God Chris is a citizen of Canada! A country with no real power!

Lol.

Hey man, watch what you say!

[Angrist]

Originally posted by Joeiss
I think that Bush is one big loser, who likes to condtradict his actions with his words. Does anybody have comments on this? If so, post them here.

Couldn't have said it better!!!

Angrist---><---Bush
Joeiss ---><---Bush

[Angrist]

Originally posted by Xantar
Let's say somebody kills your mother. You know who he is. He has said that he will kill your father next.

Will you idly stand by and let him do it because you don't believe in killing to prevent further violence?

Let's suppose you give him the benefit of the doubt. Then he kills your father and targets one of your siblings next. Will you still take no action?

I would let report him and get him arrested. I wouldn't kill him.

[Xantar]

Okay, fine. What if you couldn't get him arrested? What if you were the only one who could take direct action?

Because I don't think you seriously believe the U.S. can get Al Quaeda arrested, do you?

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by gamer


Hey man, watch what you say!

Easy there buddy. I am a Canadian too. And all I am doing is stating a fact. Canada is not powerful. America is.

[Ravishing Rick Rude]

Look, you people can flame me or whatever.

After the "shock" of September 11th, i have prettty much come to a conclusion that America had it coming.

After so many years of sticking there noses in other countries problems and wars to be " Peacekeeper". The Arab communities had just had enough.

If i were to pick out the most horrific event in history, America would be the culprit.

I say we start off in Vietnam, causing 50,000 people's deaths, sound about right? even at one point a group of AMERICAN soldiers strolled through a village and killed every single living thing in the place, Women and Children included. The incident was called the My Lai massacre.

Not to mention the Brain child of an idea " Agent Orange"


To this day it is still causing birth defects in babies who's parents were exposed to it as kids themselves.

[Angrist]

I agree with Marc

America (especially BUSH) keeps on saying that it's the best country. No wonder they got Bin Laden angry!

[gekko]

Originally posted by N8
unlike the terrorists, the US is not killing innocent people, we are taking out those who pose a threat to the world.

Sure we're not. You think just because they're a member of Al Qeada, they're guilty of something? If you watched the news, you would realize that these plans were pretty secret. The only ones who knew were the ones involved. Now we go around killing everyone we see, and many of them who were never involved.

The Taliban? They never did anything to kill us. They don't pose a threat to the world. They just gave Al Qeada guys money, and now we shut down the entire government, killing any member who we see.

It would be like accusing a member of the mafia of murdering the president, and then killing every member of the mafia, even though most of them knew nothing.

Welcome to war. We kill innocent people, we always do. Don't ever try to deny that America is killing innocent people, because we are! Every single war involves the death of innocent people. WWII, you know how many Germans we killed? Don't tell me they were guilty of anything, they were just fighting for their country, the same thing the Americans were doing. Sure, Hitler was guilty. The government people in Germany were guilty, but to solve that we went and killed thousands of German troops, who are not responsible for anything that Hitler did.

War involves killing innocent people. Don't let Bush tell you that we are the good guys and only killing people that are guilty, when they struck and killed innocent people. It just ain't true.