Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - Page 12

TheSlyMoogle · 11-28-2011, 08:40 PM

Don't get me wrong before I start this, but I think the game would have been better off without motion controls at all. and would have been much better with the sword being used by a control stick in a 1:1 instead of with the way it plays now.

Don't hate I'm enjoying the game, but I still think it would have been a lot more precise with a stick controlling the sword. You would still get the full range of motion.

However honestly it's really not an issue until you're in a combat situation and the sword doesn't respond right.

The other complaint I have is the combat is super slow. Enemies are retarded. They just stand there and slowly attack or guard all day. So what I thought was going to be some kind of awesome motion infused challenge turned into a borefest.

Now on to the good stuff. This is the BEST motion controlled game I've ever played. I'm about 12 hours into the game and just finished my 3rd temple. So far I haven't been bored playing it, and so far the most important thing I've learned in this game is "YOU CAN FUCKING CUT LIKE FUCKING EVERYTHING!"

Shield bash is fucking sweet in this game. When I do get involved in a battle at least shield bashing every enemy attack keeps my shield from getting fucked up.

I also enjoy the story, the characters and the general pacing.

So good job nintendo. You made a game for the wii that I actually like.

Angrist · 11-29-2011, 03:26 AM

Haha, I remember speculating about that a lot. It was the best thing ever in my mind.
This is better.

Actually I should try and find a Zelda wish-list I made around that time. I wonder how many other things came true.

Ginkasa · 11-29-2011, 04:30 AM

It was a pretty awesome time to be a Zelda fan back then. Coming pretty soon off of the one-two punch of OoT and MM... the series was the undisputed king and anything was possible. Unfortunately, I think the series as a whole fell prey to the ultimate overhype. After OoT the Zelda games couldn't just be great games - they had the to the Best Games of All Time.

Unfortunately, no Zelda game has been able to legitimately claim that title since OoT (even if you feel a more recent Zelda game is better than OoT, I don't think you can argue it was as revolutionary or as far ahead of its contemporaries as OoT was for its time). Mixed with Nintendo's constant missteps in the minds of "hardcore" gamers, this has caused the Zelda series to kind of fall out of grace... For as many people claiming Skyward Sword is the best game ever just because its Zelda, there's the same amount trashing it because its from Nintendo, or it has motion controls, or it hasn't changed "the formula" enough, or they just didn't enjoy themselves while playing it.

Ah well.

TheSlyMoogle · 11-29-2011, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ginkasa

It was a pretty awesome time to be a Zelda fan back then. Coming pretty soon off of the one-two punch of OoT and MM... the series was the undisputed king and anything was possible. Unfortunately, I think the series as a whole fell prey to the ultimate overhype. After OoT the Zelda games couldn't just be great games - they had the to the Best Games of All Time.

Unfortunately, no Zelda game has been able to legitimately claim that title since OoT (even if you feel a more recent Zelda game is better than OoT, I don't think you can argue it was as revolutionary or as far ahead of its contemporaries as OoT was for its time). Mixed with Nintendo's constant missteps in the minds of "hardcore" gamers, this has caused the Zelda series to kind of fall out of grace... For as many people claiming Skyward Sword is the best game ever just because its Zelda, there's the same amount trashing it because its from Nintendo, or it has motion controls, or it hasn't changed "the formula" enough, or they just didn't enjoy themselves while playing it.

Ah well.

Well after doing some light spoiling and playing since my last post I found out I'm almost done with the game.

This is a good game, I appreciate it, however it isn't the best zelda game. It isn't the best zelda game by a "longshot"...

Get it?

Anyway. The puzzlan was kinda meh, the enemies and combat remained slow and boring, and something just wasn't there for me. I really don't know what it is that wasn't there, it just felt off the whole time I have been playing.

I feel it's probably the 3rd or 4th best zelda game sitting behind OoT/ALttP, and possibly Majora's Mask. Also this game has made me realize just how awful I thought Twilight Princess really was.

KillerGremlin · 11-29-2011, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSlyMoogle

Well after doing some light spoiling and playing since my last post I found out I'm almost done with the game.

This is a good game, I appreciate it, however it isn't the best zelda game. It isn't the best zelda game by a "longshot"...

Get it?

Anyway. The puzzlan was kinda meh, the enemies and combat remained slow and boring, and something just wasn't there for me. I really don't know what it is that wasn't there, it just felt off the whole time I have been playing.

I feel it's probably the 3rd or 4th best zelda game sitting behind OoT/ALttP, and possibly Majora's Mask. Also this game has made me realize just how awful I thought Twilight Princess really was.

What? You don't agree with IGN's 10 out of 10, BEST GAME EVAR?

You are a troll and a flamer! Your opinion is invalid! You are a moron! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Just a couple more weeks til I get my hands on this thing. I am pretty excited, not gonna lie.

Blix · 11-29-2011, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

What? You don't agree with IGN's 10 out of 10, BEST GAME EVAR?

You are a troll and a flamer! Your opinion is invalid! You are a moron! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Just a couple more weeks til I get my hands on this thing. I am pretty excited, not gonna lie.

Aye, that he is.

KillerGremlin · 11-29-2011, 03:51 PM

Barring the innovation and framework that OoT laid down, I really appreciate that each Zelda experience is very personal.

Like....OoT has a different feel than Majora's Mask, and Wind Waker feels like a different game than Twilight Princess.

If I had to pick one Zelda game that I would want to live in...I'm not sure what game I would pick.

Angrist · 11-29-2011, 04:33 PM

Don't pick Majora's Mask, because you'd only have 3 days left to live.

Edit: Also don't pick Link's Awakening... because when Link wakes up, you'll disappear!

BreakABone · 11-29-2011, 07:09 PM

Took me about 40 hours but finished the game.

Want some time to really digest everything, I loathe making snap calls on anything, but was a really solid experiences that had some odd design choices in 2-3 areas that knocked it down a peg for me.

Loved the end game sequence and the main baddie.

Ginkasa · 11-29-2011, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BreakABone

Want some time to really digest everything, I loathe making snap calls on anything, but was a really solid experiences that had some odd design choices in 2-3 areas that knocked it down a peg for me.

I haven't finished it yet, but this sums up my feelings so far pretty closely. I'm thinking specifically of Silent Realms and repeated elements (not Zelda elements; Skyward Sword elements, if that makes sense).

Angrist · 11-30-2011, 04:23 AM

Ok, now I want to know how many dungeons there are. I'm on my way to the 6th... is that the last? I've put 35 hours into the game so far, but I've spent a lot of time on goofing around. I'm a bit worried that the game is much shorter than I expected.

Oh and please no spoilers, just the number of dungeons (or a general picture of how much is left for me).

DarkMaster · 12-03-2011, 02:34 PM

I'm pretty near the end of the game, I think. I just read through IGN's 10/10 review of this game, and I am completely blown away at the utter horeshit contained therein. Not once is there any mention of the game's many, many flaws, such as retreading the same 3 areas 3-4 times, the stupid ass silent realms, or the general frustration that arises when the motion controls just don't work properly.

I'm not trying to hold IGN to any kind of standard, but what a complete crock of shit, and that goes for any of the other (many) 10/10 reviews for this game. I want to express fully my complaints with this game, but I'll wait till I'm done with it.

As it stands, there are a number of drawbacks that have thoroughly annoyed and disappointed me...

BreakABone · 12-03-2011, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkMaster

I'm pretty near the end of the game, I think. I just read through IGN's 10/10 review of this game, and I am completely blown away at the utter horeshit contained therein. Not once is there any mention of the game's many, many flaws, such as retreading the same 3 areas 3-4 times, the stupid ass silent realms, or the general frustration that arises when the motion controls just don't work properly.

I'm not trying to hold IGN to any kind of standard, but what a complete crock of shit, and that goes for any of the other (many) 10/10 reviews for this game. I want to express fully my complaints with this game, but I'll wait till I'm done with it.

As it stands, there are a number of drawbacks that have thoroughly annoyed and disappointed me...

I think re-visiting the same areas 3-4 times, is a decision that varies per person. Some love it, some hate it. I don't mind it. Since they usually come with different tasks/opening up more of the world.

I loved the Silent Realms personally, and think again that varies per person.

And.. yeah the motion controls are a whole diff ballpark. In my entire 40 hours with the game, I've only had issues with it 4 times and only once was it frustrating to me.

Ginkasa · 12-03-2011, 03:19 PM

Personally, I don't understand the grievances behind revisiting areas. When you do revisit you go to new areas within those areas and/or the areas you've already visited are altered or changed in a drastic way. And its not like you've never had to revisit areas in any other past Zelda games.

I think the issue with this and also with the various "there is no overworld" complaints has to do with Nintendo's presentation of the world. Because the different areas so clearly separated and distinct from each other and because they're more dense and have monsters and puzzles and corridors it creates an atmosphere less of "this is a place in the world" and more of a feeling like a dungeon. So having to traverse through it again, for whatever reason, feels more like having to go back through the Temple of the Ocean King to advance in PH than having to go back through the Kokiri Forest and Lost Woods to get to the Forest Temple in OoT.

Anyway, I also don't like the Silent Realms, but I've seen plenty of people talk about how much they love them, so its not an objective flaw with the game. Personal preference. Same with the controls. The only issue I encountered with them was trying to stab. I could never get that to work consistently. There's also enough people who have had no issue with the controls that I don't think its an inherent flaw in the game.

That said, I don't personally think its a 10/10 game either. Although I don't mind "revisiting" the main areas, I do mind fighting two bosses three separate times each and having to go back through one of the dungeons for a meaningless fetch quest. I also didn't like the Silent Realms, as I stated above. Overall, I think its the best Zelda game since TWW, but that still places it down around the halfway mark in the series as a whole.

Angrist · 12-03-2011, 03:42 PM

I love the trials in the silent realms. It all looks so pretty and when you're being followed it's pretty scary. I was actually a bit disappointed that I got the 2nd and 3rd one in 2 tries each.
I don't mind revisiting places, I always do that in Zelda games anyway. And it's not like it's the first Zelda where you do this! Almost every Zelda had you go back to a place you already knew, from where you found another dungeon.
For example OoT: you visit 3 areas as a kid: forest, mountain, Zora's Domain. When you're grown up you need to revisit those areas to find new temples. They even had a temple behind Kakariko Village!
Maybe in SS it seems more frustrating because there are only 3 points where you can descend to the surface.

The motion control is awesome, I want them to remake every Zelda game with these controls.

My complaints:
- Why do they give that stupid message every time I pick up a bug after I've loaded the game??!?! It's come to the point where I deliberately don't pick up items because it will annoy me.
- Uhm I had something else but I forgot.

Anyway, do I think it's a 10/10? Depends on if decimals are allowed. If not: yeah it's more a 10 than a 9. If they are: I'd give it a 9.8.

A question: is there a shooting range for the bow??? I haven't found it yet, but I want to! Should be great.