What religion are you?

[Classic Rocker]

Psh I believe organized religion is just meant to control people. People who have no desire to be free and think for themselves. Just my opinion.

I mean..would people really be in the religion if there was no reward? Like going to heaven or living on a pardise earth? Satan brought up that issue with God. I'm just wondering what you all think. I think 3/4th of people would back down from there faith without any reward at the end.

[GameMaster]

The Bible teaches me to be a kind and compassionate person. Anyone who doesn't read it cannot be kind or compassionate. Simple equation: read the Bible and you'll be a good person and you'll have a utopian afterlife. If you don't read it, you're not a good person and you won't have an enjoyable afterlife.

[Canyarion]

Well, you can be a good person, but without belief in God, chances are you won't get eternal life...

The bible makes clear that there are 3 important things: belief, knowledge, actions.

Some people 'just' believe, but that's it. Others are 'only' good people, but don't want to believe in God. Others know a lot of the bible, but have lost faith in it (theologists and stuff)...

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by GameMaster

Anyone who doesn't read it cannot be kind or compassionate. Simple equation: read the Bible and you'll be a good person and you'll have a utopian afterlife. If you don't read it, you're not a good person and you won't have an enjoyable afterlife.

Thats slightly narrowminded my friend.

So your telling me, if I dont read a book I have no interest in reading, yet i change nothing abouyt myself, suddenly I am labeled as a bad person?

I dont get it. How can reading a book make you a good person, and If you dont read it your not a good person.

Did Jesus read the Bible? No. Is he a good person? Yes.

Reading a book about things makes you no more of a good person than breathing makes you able to fly.

[GameMaster]

The Bible is no ordinary book my comrade, it is a book of God. Whether the Bible you read from is from a hotel or from a museum, it is better than all other books of this world. And that is not an opinion, it is pure fact and truth.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by GameMaster

The Bible is no ordinary book my comrade, it is a book of God. Whether the Bible you read from is from a hotel or from a museum, it is better than all other books of this world. And that is not an opinion, it is pure fact and truth.

So your saying anyone who hasnt read the Bible is bad then?

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

So your saying anyone who hasnt read the Bible is bad then?

That depends on what you mean by bad. The way I see it, man in general is "bad" we all sin. You don't have to read anything, you just have to believe in him... The words of the Bible are the truth. If you want the truth, read, if you don't want the truth... well, that's too bad. I can't convince you of anything, that's not my job. You have some access the bible, you have eyes, and you can read. My tip, read it. If you don't want to, that's your own problem.

[Joeiss]

Doing something nice is great, but won't get you to heaven. Doing something nice in the name of God is great, and will get you into heaven.

Our actions are meaningless unless we do it for God.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Joeiss

Doing something nice is great, but won't get you to heaven. Doing something nice in the name of God is great, and will get you into heaven.

Our actions are meaningless unless we do it for God.

But sometimes some religions in the middle east kill for the name of their god. Yet, they are still wrong and bad.


religion doesnt justify anything. good or bad.

So your telling me, if i give $10 billion to a childrens school i wont go to heaven, because its not in the name of God?

If I save a busload of childrens lives, I wont go to heaven because i didnt do it for God?

Originally Posted by TheGame

The way I see it, man in general is "bad" we all sin

What exactly did Mother Theresa do? The woman was a saint. Like, literally. Oh wait...riiight, origional sin. The thing that backs up the "fact" everyone will go to hell and so on and so forth.

I think religion ws made by some king, or ruler of the days of old, like a scare tactic to follow the laws of that particular man. Think about it. Who would oppose his opinion? He would have you beheaded.

King : "Follow my laws or go to hell!!"
Villagers: "Hell? whats hell?"
King: "A place of fire and eternal torment."
Villagers : " Wait, how do you know?"
King: "God told me."
Villagers: "You didnt talk to god."
King: "Guards, behead him!!"

See, its that simple.

I think it was a scare tactic to get people to do what you wanted with grave concequences if they didnt listen.

Can anyone prove the existance of Heaven or Hell? no.
Can anyone prove the existance of God? No.
Yet people are so ready to defend something that has not been proven to exist. Like ghosts. Or vampires. Or zombies.

And everyone just says "Oh, God exists, because it says so in the bible!!"
Well, i read a book once where it says dragons ae real. Are they? No. Does anyone defend to their grave that they are? No, not really.

Because if someone comes at you with a knife shouting : "Ill kill you if you say dragons are real!!" you will say they dont exist, because Dragons show no promise in afterlife.

Yet, if the same man runs up and yells : "Ill kill you if you say God is real!!!!" if you were religious, you would say he is, because you believe in an afterlfe of warmth and love.

I think religion is juist so people can feel meanigful. So they feel like they know something. And the idea that we go to Heaven after we die (assuming you are good) makes it so people dont freak out when they are terminally ill.

And the threat of Hell is supposed to differ you from doing bad things.

But where in the bible does it say something about people who are good AND bad? Where do they go?

Rough examples:

If you save a busload of children, you go to heaven.
If you kill a man, you go to hell.
But what if you save a busload of children while killing a man? Where do you go? What happens?

And another thing, why dont the Jews have hell? Dont you pray to he same god as Christians/Catholics etc.?

[TheGame]

What exactly did Mother Theresa do? The woman was a saint. Like, literally. Oh wait...riiight, origional sin. The thing that backs up the "fact" everyone will go to hell and so on and so forth.

The fact that everyone would go to hell? You like taking things overboard eh? Just because we all sin it doesn't mean we can't be forgiven for them. You can be the worst killer of innocent people in the world, and if you ask for forgivness and truly know in your heart that you were wrong and that you will do everything in your power not do it again... you are forgiven. If you lead a nice life but you manage to kill somone on purpose, and you ask for forgivness but aren't sorry for what you did and would turn around and do it again if you have a chance, you aren't forgiven. The key is: You must believe... period. If you believe in God, you will obey him, and feel like crap when you don't.

You can't buy your way into heaven. One action doesn't speak for your entire life. Maybe you should read the bible and answer your own questions. The thought that one who does bad goes to hell period proves that you don't know what you are talking about... I've sinned just as much as the next man.

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

But sometimes some religions in the middle east kill for the name of their god. Yet, they are still wrong and bad.


religion doesnt justify anything. good or bad.

So your telling me, if i give $10 billion to a childrens school i wont go to heaven, because its not in the name of God?

If I save a busload of childrens lives, I wont go to heaven because i didnt do it for God?




What exactly did Mother Theresa do? The woman was a saint. Like, literally. Oh wait...riiight, origional sin. The thing that backs up the "fact" everyone will go to hell and so on and so forth.

I think religion ws made by some king, or ruler of the days of old, like a scare tactic to follow the laws of that particular man. Think about it. Who would oppose his opinion? He would have you beheaded.

King : "Follow my laws or go to hell!!"
Villagers: "Hell? whats hell?"
King: "A place of fire and eternal torment."
Villagers : " Wait, how do you know?"
King: "God told me."
Villagers: "You didnt talk to god."
King: "Guards, behead him!!"

See, its that simple.

I think it was a scare tactic to get people to do what you wanted with grave concequences if they didnt listen.

Can anyone prove the existance of Heaven or Hell? no.
Can anyone prove the existance of God? No.
Yet people are so ready to defend something that has not been proven to exist. Like ghosts. Or vampires. Or zombies.

And everyone just says "Oh, God exists, because it says so in the bible!!"
Well, i read a book once where it says dragons ae real. Are they? No. Does anyone defend to their grave that they are? No, not really.

Because if someone comes at you with a knife shouting : "Ill kill you if you say dragons are real!!" you will say they dont exist, because Dragons show no promise in afterlife.

Yet, if the same man runs up and yells : "Ill kill you if you say God is real!!!!" if you were religious, you would say he is, because you believe in an afterlfe of warmth and love.

I think religion is juist so people can feel meanigful. So they feel like they know something. And the idea that we go to Heaven after we die (assuming you are good) makes it so people dont freak out when they are terminally ill.

And the threat of Hell is supposed to differ you from doing bad things.

But where in the bible does it say something about people who are good AND bad? Where do they go?

Rough examples:

If you save a busload of children, you go to heaven.
If you kill a man, you go to hell.
But what if you save a busload of children while killing a man? Where do you go? What happens?

And another thing, why dont the Jews have hell? Dont you pray to he same god as Christians/Catholics etc.?

Y-o-u d-o n-o-t k-n-o-w w-h-a-t y-o-u a-r-e t-a-l-k-i-n-g a-b-o-u-t.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Bond

Y-o-u d-o n-o-t k-n-o-w w-h-a-t y-o-u a-r-e t-a-l-k-i-n-g a-b-o-u-t.

That was quite the convincing response. It has changed my perspective on everything now.


*Reads the Bible*

[Crono]

I'll say some things to you Typhoid:

Christianity and Catholicism are the same thing. Cathlocism is just a branch of the Christain faith. Not sure if you knew that or not, just letting you know.

There are a number of things science has not been able to prove. So why do you single out a religion? Science has not proven where the first human came from, it's all a theory. And that's exactly what religion is, IMO... just a theory. Not proven to be true. Not proven to be false.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Crono

I'll say some things to you Typhoid:

Christianity and Catholicism are the same thing. Cathlocism is just a branch of the Christain faith. Not sure if you knew that or not, just letting you know.

There are a number of things science has not been able to prove. So why do you single out a religion? Science has not proven where the first human came from, it's all a theory. And that's exactly what religion is, IMO... just a theory. Not proven to be true. Not proven to be false.

I know they are the same.

And i never said Science hasnt provent God exists, or Heaven, or Hell. I just said It hasnt been proven. Nobody has been there, nobody has seen God. Nobody has been to hell and back, or to heaven and back.

And like i said, i have nothing against religion, or religious people. I seem o get harped on here so much for anything I say, when in fact I have nothing agaisnt any of the people that view otherwise than me. I could take equal insult about religious people saying God does exist, because im Athiest, and technically, God is against my "religion". And people keep forcing religion on me.

Religion gives meaning to people, and I understand and respect that.


It just makes me mad because i always gett he perverbial gangbang of arguments for saying what I believe. Yet, I harp on none of you.

And Thusly, I am tired of being the perverbial black man in the circle of the KKK, so I am taking a break.

[GameMaster]

We're not against you, Sean, we just want you to experience the same glory and peace in your life as we do in ours through the power of God's almighty care and love. All you have to do is put your faith in him.

It's the only way the feelings of sadness, despair, and lonliness you feel will go away. Medicine can't replicate God's love.