The Matrix "spoilers"

[thatmariolover]

Originally posted by Joeiss
Well, the machines made it to Zion, and they started to kill a bunch of people... And then there was only one survivor, which was that guy.

I think that is what happened... Or maybe the machines didn't reach Zion, but like a defense station or something.

Yeah, as somebody else just said, they reached the counter attack point, wiped them out, and there was only one survivor.

Now, let's start with the obvious things we know about the survivor:

1. He is the same person who tried to kill Neo in the beginning of the movie.

2. He etched two strait parallel lines into his hand before he did that.

3. He asked his superior officer to volunteer to look for Morpheus's ship.

And some things that (perhaps) coincide with the numbers above:

1. There had to have been motive for him to kill Neo. Likewise, there had to be motive for the machines to spare him.

2. Are those lines symbolic of the Roman Numberal Two? Either way, what do they stand for and what was the driving force behind doing it?

3. He wanted to find the ship for a reason. Again, what was his motive?

If you can recall, at the counter attack, the survivor triggered an EMP blast (presumably) so that the machines could kill the Zion forces more quickly.

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Now, about the lines he cut into his hand. I want to know (if it is a Roman Numberal two) why he would etch them into his hand. It almost sounds cult-like to me. I almost wonder if there is some sort of prophesy or alter-religion (or perhaps cult) that he follows. Like in real life, there is not simply Christian beliefs or disbelief, nor simply Jewish beliefs or disbelief. There are middle religions. What would their motive be if such a cult did exist?

Well, I'm done for now.

PS: Can somebody figure out his name for me? I'm sick of calling him survivor...

[ZebraRampage]

Ok, I'm not sure if all of you know this because in the last couple of posts it looked like some people weren't sure who he was...but the one survivor dude was the guy that Agent Smith cloned himself into at the beginning of the movie.

[The Germanator]

Yeah, what Zebra said...he's Agent Smith...

[Joeiss]

Yep yep... That is why I think the machines spared him... Becuase they "senced" that he was connect to the Matrix or something... I don't know.

[DarkMaster]

Originally posted by thatmariolover
2. Are those lines symbolic of the Roman Numberal Two? Either way, what do they stand for and what was the driving force behind doing it?

although the lines themselves may symbolize something, I think the very reason he's carving himself is because this is his first time in the real world. He is Agent Smith who, earlier on in the movie, copied his information into Bane (the guy he appears to be in the real world). Now, Agent Smith was a program, until Neo destroyed him in the first movie. Throughout Reloaded, you'll hear a lot of things about Exile programs, ones that are no longer needed and/or can not be deleted. Smith is an Agent, he is suppose to be unbeatable, such is how he was programmed.

Neo defeated him, but he did not "die" because there is no way to delete an Agent program (I believe it was either the Oracle, or the Creator who implied this). Now, Smith is "free", he can do what ever he wants, he is no longer a program controlled by the Matrix (notice how the other Agents detest him?). Now that he can roam about in the real world, he now can physically feel things, like a human. I believe, that Smith cuts up his hand for the sensation. He has never feeled pain before, so he's experimenting.

3. He wanted to find the ship for a reason. Again, what was his motive?

easy enough, he wants to find Neo in the real world. Essentailly, Neo would be easier to kill in the real world than in the matrix.

So how come Neo has "powers" in the real world now? there could be multiple reasons.

For one thing, the matrix, including the real world, could all just be one big matrix. This would allow Neo to be powerful as well in the "real" world. If the Real World is actually the REAL World then, we get another slew of possible answers:He is some kind of magical human being, or, he is, essentially, not a human, and more of an outside-Matrix progam not unlike Agent Smith. After all, the creator does say that Neo is a program of the Matrix, designed to keep inline the .1% of people who could not accept living in the Matrix. Those .1% are the people in Zion.

The Creator also says "this will be the sixth time we've destroyed Zion, we are getting quite good at it" do you have any idea what that means? Zion has been destroyed almost the same way numerous times. How can an actual real life city be destroyed, start over with all the same buildings, peoples, and concepts, and then be destroyed again by the machines?

This could prove that the "Real" World is actually part of the Matrix, its another designed world made by the machines to harness the .1% people who can't except what they think is the real matrix. While all along, they are actually in one big matrix, they just can't see it. And that's not all, Neo also says near the end, when the machines are coming, he can "feel them" much like he can sense and feel things inside the matrix. This shows that Neo is starting to see the "Real" World for what it really is: a bunch of green coding.

[thatmariolover]

Originally posted by ZebraRampage
Ok, I'm not sure if all of you know this because in the last couple of posts it looked like some people weren't sure who he was...but the one survivor dude was the guy that Agent Smith cloned himself into at the beginning of the movie.

Ok, thanks for clarifying that. My main problem was, I didn't know they were the same people, but to me it would have only made sense for them to be the same guy. So there was a conflict between what I knew and what made sense.

And DarkMaster summed the rest up fairly nicely.

Originally posted by DarkMaster
The Creator also says "this will be the sixth time we've destroyed Zion, we are getting quite good at it" do you have any idea what that means? Zion has been destroyed almost the same way numerous times. How can an actual real life city be destroyed, start over with all the same buildings, peoples, and concepts, and then be destroyed again by the machines?

This is the question that we might have to wait on in order to get an answer. There are a slew of possibilities.

One is that the machines keep Zion alive for a reason. Perhaps they have literally destroyed Zion in the past. The "One" then chose the individuals from The Matrix who would start Zion back up again, their memories would be erased and reprogrammed to make them think that they had lived in Zion their entire lives; the current "One" would die and the cycle would repeat itself. Read what the Architect said below. He states that if Zion doesn't go on, if Neo doesn't choose the individuals to continue with Zion, then there would be a terrible system crash. This system crash would presumably happen because Zion would be destroyed and there would be nobody chosen to rebuild it. But why would that cause a system crash in the matrix?

Originally posted by The Architect
The function of 'the one' is now to return the source allowing a temporary dissemination(diffusion for propagation and permanence; a scattering or spreading abroad, as of ideas, beliefs, etc.) of the code you carry re-inserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals. Sixteen female, seven male to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix. Which, coupled with the extermination of Zion, will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

The problem was that he knew Trinity would die if he wasn't there to save her.

If he had chosen the other door, the cycle simply would have repeated itself. The only way to bring an end to it (for better or worse) was to choose the door he did.

[One Winged Angel]

Did anyone know what happened to tank?

[thatmariolover]

Originally posted by One Winged Angel
Did anyone know what happened to tank?

I had the same question. Blink's (is that his name) girlfriend is the sister of Tank and Dozer, and in the movie she said she had "already lost two people to that ship", or something to that effect. But as I understood it, Tank lived through the last one... So... :/

Now that I think about it though, I thought I caught a glimpse of him in the trailer for the next movie (I could be wrong). At any rate, it will be interesting to see how (or if) they explain his dissappearance.

[Joeiss]

Well, you have to watch Animatrix to get the full story.

[Dyne]

Originally posted by One Winged Angel
Did anyone know what happened to tank?

Tommy Chong got signed off the set for some unknown reason. He went out with style, too. Apparently he stole all the food on set and just drove away. I think they could have patched it up better in the movie, though.

[Mechadragon]

AHAHAHAA Dyne, his name is Marcus Chong. Tommy Chong is one of the title characters from Cheech and Chong. You got a stoner mixed up with a freedom fighter.

[One Winged Angel]

Originally posted by Mechadragon
AHAHAHAA Dyne, his name is Marcus Chong. Tommy Chong is one of the title characters from Cheech and Chong. You got a stoner mixed up with a freedom fighter.

they're both stoners

[fingersman]

Someone told me that "Tank" was sueing the WB because they said they would put him back in the sequeal and they didn't.

[quiet mike]

Hey guys........

I know it's kind of late but in Romania we just got the movie and I saw it 2 weeks ago. I'll tell you my conclusions:

First I want to ask if any of you can tell me where can I find Animatrix to watch it? I missed it on TV and just saw the end where they all die!

Tank died in the time between part 1 and part 2, as his sister tells us.

Compared with all of you I want to chose the real Zion theory. The Matrix within the Matrix it's too simple of an answer for Zion and everything. I might be really worng but I like to speculate on the other solution.

The name of the second part Rloaded, indicated what hapened 5 times before, but didn't in this one, and that's why the third one is a Revolution.

QUIET MIKE's theory on Matrix:

-Zion is in the real world. It was built by either the machines long ago, after the first Matrix, that failed and rebuild if needed after each ONE. It was a place where the few that rejected the program could be kept under surveliance. Remember the council member showing the mechanical room. It's there, no one knows how and why, but they depend on them.

- Agent Smith loaded itself in a real human's mind. Remember that all humans that can enter the Matrix have plenty of chips inserted in their brain. In the Matrix a person looks like the reflection of how the brain thinks he looks, so agent Smith looks like agent Smith once loaded in another brain. But outside the Matrix he looks like the real person but the brain is controlled by agent Smith since he is loded in the chips implanted in that guy's head.

- Neo had to choose a door where his program code would restart the Matrix and spread the "Legend of the One", which was in turn controled by the Oracle. With this reboot, everyone conected with the matrix would have renweed memories, maybe start all over. The humans out the Matrix would be defeated by the machines, with the exception of a few chosen by the One, which would have modified memories and left in Zion from where they would get back to the Matrix and get the rejecties out of the system.
Choosing not to reboot meant again the destruction of Zion, but without the few choosen ones, but also mean to have all the humans in the system continuing to leave the same life. Since life is in continuous evolution they would try to do the same in the Matrix, but since the Matrix is a simulation of only the 20th century, it would malfanction and crash thus destroing all conected into it. That's why Choosing that door meant destroing every human in Zion in their fight with the machines, as well as all the one in the Matrix trough the crash. So the death wasn't instant like someone believed.
- Once Neo got out they had 24 hours until the Machines reach Zion and begin the fight, and also hat to find a way to keep the Matrix online until all humans are disconencted.
- I have no clue how outside agent Smith survive the attack in one of the outposts
- Realizing all the secrets of the Matrix in his last trip, Neo got overcharged (remember the Trinity save sequence). Once outside the Matrix, because of the overcharge that he kept in his implants he starts sensing all the electrical inerferences in the air, like the radio frequencies the Machines use to keep in tough to each other and central comand. Somehow, just like in the Matrix, he can change the electic field (Magneto).

If you got bored go read something else. I need to take a breack. I talked too much

[thatmariolover]

Yeah, I think your right.

I've also been theorizing that the machines have left Zion alone because it is the "control group." In the event that a system failure occured in the Matrix and all humans were lost, they would need some humans that were not hardwired to it to restart crop production.

Just a thought.