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[Stonecutter]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

Thank you. I thought I was QUITE clear in my response, but I guess you have to beat some people over the head to get your point across sometimes.

And now that we are clear on my point, its time for you to explain to me exactly what makes Dean a great presidential candidate. And nothing with the term's "Bush" or "current administration" will be accepted as logical reasoning.

You still haven't given me a satisfactory response as to why a temper and a flair for the dramatic in less than ideal situations is even in the same area code as sexual assault. I think you're still equating democrat with Clinton and Clinton with womanizer. If you would have said "he's the kind of guy who would go bobby knight on his staffers" I'd disagree with you but I would still see where you're coming from. nevertheless, reasoning follows, but not before...

These questions: Why is it simply not enough that I or anyone else agree with him on the major issues? Why do you insist on grilling every democrat on why they support who they support. For someone who claims to be "conservative but not a republican" (which is total bull****, you're just a republican with a guilty conscience, I used to be one too, I know your game first hand,) you sure seem to have a higher opinion of people who will vote for bush. There are several things that I see in Dean, but none that I can file under the heading of "these are my political views and they're different from yours."

Such as:


1) Dean is not a warhawk. I'm not going to turn this into a "the Iraq war was/was not the right thing to do" debate, I didn't want the United States to go to war, George Bush took them to war, Howard Dean would not have. Kerry, Clark and Edwards (I think) did not start taking a hard anti-war stance until they started chasing Dean.

2) Dean values a woman's right to choose.

3) Dean has a conservationist stance on the environment.

4)Dean will roll back the tax cut. I'm no expert on the tax cut, but you cannot possibly believe that we're not going to touch social security, we're going to lower prescription drug costs, we're going to fund a war in Iraq, a war in Afghanistan, build a base on the moon, improve education, AND lower taxes. Even with Clinton administration taxes you couldn't do all of that. If you're wealthy and you don't give a **** about the lower classes then more power to you, vote for Bush, I'm not going to stop you, I'll even agree with your reasoning, no matter how wrong I think your beliefs are, but it doesn't make mine wrong,

So basically, I've looked at Dean's stances on the issues, and outside of Kusinich, I agree with him more than any other Democrat.

Also, Deep down, you must know that the “Dean would be a bad president because he can't control his temper” argument is about as intelligent as the “Bush is a dumbass” argument.