Nintendo lowers Shipping estimates; Mario sales expectations not met - Page 2

Mushlafa · 10-01-2002, 07:31 PM

and thats why xbox and GC are so far behind ps2....

Joeiss · 10-01-2002, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by Mushlafa
and thats why xbox and GC are so far behind ps2....

Wow. You are one smart puppy! Do you want a cookie?

Anyways...... I am surprised by this.... I seriously thought that SMS would be a huge system seller.... Damn Nintendo... They should have released a Mario title at their launch!!!!!!!!!!!

Mushlafa · 10-01-2002, 08:40 PM

and have it suck? and yeah i would like a cookie
*grabs cookie from joeiss*
yummm :P

Jason1 · 10-01-2002, 08:45 PM

In my mind, the main thing slowing down Sunshine is marketing. They need to make me head of Marketing. I would show em how its done. But seirously folks, I dont think you can get much worse that the famous clean is better than dirty commercial. And when I first heard RE would be exclusive, I was sure it would drastically help nintendo, but now im not so sure, I think some fans have just forgotten about it, or let it go peacefully. Besides, there are so many other games for PS2, I dont think they need it. And while im now fine with Celda, I think from a marketing and consumer standpoint, that turned off pretty much every casual Zelda fan. Sure people here will still buy, but relying on hard-core fans isnt good enough. Many casual fans will be turned off by this, greatly effecting sales, you can bet on that.

CrOnO_LiNk · 10-01-2002, 09:11 PM

If only Nintendo had Square... 2 million a week in Japan. That's amazing!

TheGame · 10-01-2002, 09:19 PM

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Uh, I think Nintendo will still keep GC out for a normal five year period. The Ps2 was out for over a year before its competition came.

That's why I said 2-3 years... Ps3 is supposed to be out in 2004.. that gives GCN 2 years if Nintendo5 comes out the same year, or 3 years if it comes out a year later. If it comes out two years later... well, I don't see Nintendo doing too well.

Mushlafa · 10-01-2002, 09:25 PM

actually ps3 is sappose to be out 2005... i was jus readin a bunch of stupid 10 year old fanboys talkin bout it.... i know technology advances fast but they were giving speeds like 100-500 ghz for the CPU and SD ram at speeds in the 10's of ghz...
The one thing they mighta had right was the release date

Blix · 10-01-2002, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by Jason1
Sure people here will still buy, but relying on hard-core fans isnt good enough. Many casual fans will be turned off by this, greatly effecting sales, you can bet on that.

So true. and to think causla gamers were once a minority in video games.

Angrist · 10-02-2002, 07:33 AM

Please remember that RE was just a REMAKE. Why would the fans buy a GCN for a game they've already played? If any RE game can sell Cubes, it will be RE0.

And I don't think the cellshading will keep ppl from buying Zelda. They will see the ads, they'll see how cool it is and how nice the graphics are. Sellda will zel.

Perfect Stu · 10-02-2002, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by Mushlafa
and thats why xbox and GC are so far behind ps2....

yes...and no

it was the reason why the PS2 led by X many systems, but since the Gamecube and XBox have been released, it has still DESTROYED them in sales. The head start doesn't explain why PS2 is still dominating weekly sales charts.

Professor S · 10-02-2002, 08:34 AM

I starting to think that Mario, Zelda and the rest of the high anticipated Nintendo franchises have already moved many of the consoles that they were expected, but they did so AT LAUNCH. Remember the delays and that most fans of Nintendo franchises, are Nintendo fans to begin with, so you would think that they would have bought a console ASAP. Just an idea.

PuPPeT · 10-02-2002, 10:19 AM

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yes...and no

it was the reason why the PS2 led by X many systems, but since the Gamecube and XBox have been released, it has still DESTROYED them in sales. The head start doesn't explain why PS2 is still dominating weekly sales charts.

But console almost always sale better on there second year of sales and then you will see sales drop off. But yes it is funny to hear about how Microsoft is going to monopolizes the games market and turn it’s back on the hardcore game especially when Sony are on the edge of doing the same thing Sony can do just about any thing they want this generation knowing to well there going to sale more units then any one else with ease. Where as Nintendo and Microsoft has to build up and rely on the Hardcore gamer as the masses are about as brain washed as it gets with Sony Consoles and will follow it blindly to where every Sony wants them it’s trendy to have a Sony it’s Kiddy to have a Nintendo and well it monopolizes to have an Microsoft. Come on it you know nothing about the games scene what Console are you going to buy? The kiddy one, the monopolizing one or the trendy one your mate has which ok has less power crap graphics and sound but its kool

But look at this way Sony after the last generation is about the only company who are going to lose market share this time around! Microsoft can only gain share in the market as it has nothing to lose and Nintendo look like they are going to a lest get a 20% share like they had before if not a bit more around 25 to 30% by 2005 and I would say about the same for Microsoft (Who knows maybe more maybe less). Hell some one better stop Sony or it really will be a monopoly come the next generation and that’s bad for every one.

TheGame · 10-02-2002, 11:59 AM

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But console almost always sale better on there second year of sales and then you will see sales drop off.

That's not always true... Ps2 has dominated GCN/Xbox in 2001 and 2002... unless they sell a good 5 million consoles each in this Holiday season strecth (assuming Sony gets no sales

) they will not grab Sony's 3rd year sales with thier second year sales.

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But yes it is funny to hear about how Microsoft is going to monopolizes the games market and turn it’s back on the hardcore game especially when Sony are on the edge of doing the same thing Sony can do just about any thing they want this generation knowing to well there going to sale more units then any one else with ease. Where as Nintendo and Microsoft has to build up and rely on the Hardcore gamer as the masses are about as brain washed as it gets with Sony Consoles and will follow it blindly to where every Sony wants them it’s trendy to have a Sony it’s Kiddy to have a Nintendo and well it monopolizes to have an Microsoft. Come on it you know nothing about the games scene what Console are you going to buy? The kiddy one, the monopolizing one or the trendy one your mate has which ok has less power crap graphics and sound but its kool

I, being a hardcore gamer, could care less about graphics. In my opinion, Sony's console sales compared to GCN's and Xbox's is exactly like Sony's game quality compared to GCN's and Xbox's.

I'm neither brain washed, or playing it because everybody else thinks it's cool. In my opinion, if we were to list the top 20 games for this generation, at least 15 would go to Sony. That's why it's selling better.

Have you learned anything from the Psx Era? Or from seeing Game Gear get killed by the all mighty powerful Gameboy? Game quality wins out. If Ps2 was honestly truly crap, it would have flopped. If N64 can do it, Ps2 can do it.

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But look at this way Sony after the last generation is about the only company who are going to lose market share this time around! Microsoft can only gain share in the market as it has nothing to lose and Nintendo look like they are going to a lest get a 20% share like they had before if not a bit more around 25 to 30% by 2005 and I would say about the same for Microsoft (Who knows maybe more maybe less). Hell some one better stop Sony or it really will be a monopoly come the next generation and that’s bad for every one.

I wouldn't mind it being a Sony Monopoly... because they have the system with the best games. Now, if Nintendo 64 would have dominated Psx in sales, then we'd have a monopoly problem. Nintendo couldn't handle winning two generations (SNES/Nes), what makes you think they could handle 3? We'd still be using carts today if Nintendo would have won... and gaming in general would have turned extremely crappy.

At least Sony is releasing a decent product... and at least they are concentrating on games. Not to say Nintendo and M$ aren't... they just have been making more hardware innovations this generation than game innovations.

Professor S · 10-02-2002, 12:33 PM

Saying the PS2 has the best games is much like saying that if you put a million monkeys in a room with a million typewriters for a million years, they would write Shakespeare. Does the PS2 have a lot of good-great games? Sure, but they have about 20 times that much absolute CRAP.

Right now I think the Gamecube and XBox have a better good game to bad game ration than PS2.

When was the last great PS2 game released? A long time ago, and i don't see all that much besides Vice City on the horizon.

TheGame · 10-02-2002, 12:58 PM

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Does the PS2 have a lot of good-great games? Sure, but they have about 20 times that much absolute CRAP.

Right now I think the Gamecube and XBox have a better good game to bad game ration than PS2.

Does the ratio really matter?

If one system has 500 games, and 20% of the games are good, and a system has 100 games and 90% of them are good, does that really make the 90% system better?

Count the games over 9.0 at IGN, Gamespot, or in any of your mags, and Ps2 has everybody else murderd. That's all that matters. If you don't like the crap, you don't have to buy it, but thers is a lot more good content there to chose from.

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When was the last great PS2 game released? A long time ago, and i don't see all that much besides Vice City on the horizon.

When was the last great Xbox game released? (Launch?)

When was there ever that great of a game for GCN? (SSBM? ED?)

When has anybody released a racing game that's better than GT3.. or a game period that's better than GTA3? Does Nintendo or MS have an RPG that can beat out KH or FFX? Who gets all the sports games first? Anybody got a fighter that destroys the Duo of Tekken 4 and Virtual Fighter 4?

I'm not saying Xbox and GCN are crap... Ps2 just got them beat in game quality IMO.

I think Xbox is in second, and GCN is in third... for the present and the furtue... but it's all "IMO"