I No Longer Bleed Green - Page 2

Bond · 08-19-2009, 12:07 AM

Interesting. If he can't play until Week 6 at the earliest, I wonder if he'll be added as a WR instead of a QB. I can't see him being a reliable 2nd or even 3rd string QB when you consider how long he was out of football and the fact he'll have to learn the Eagle's playbook.

TheGame · 08-19-2009, 01:56 AM

I think not allowing him to play by Week 6 actually helps him more to get adjusted with the team.. if he were to actually play any earlier I could see him coming out alot more rusty.

Typhoid · 08-19-2009, 05:56 AM

I have a new love for the Dolphins now, just for the fact they picked up a linebacker (Played here as a DE) in the off-season named Cameron Wake.

He played for the Lions in the CFL, got the rookie-of-the-year award and the Defensive Player of the Year award in 2007 - the only person to get both in the same year.

2007 BC Tackles-72 Sacks-16
2008 BC Tackles-65 Sacks-23

I love this man.
That is all.

TheGame · 08-28-2009, 10:32 AM

Vick did decent his first game. Fans sure didn't mind him

Professor S · 08-28-2009, 12:35 PM

I wouldn't know because I didn't watch. Those that mind aren't there to boo.

Vampyr · 08-28-2009, 12:49 PM

I'm not sure what kind of people actually applaud this guy.

Bond · 08-28-2009, 12:51 PM

You know there is a problem with society when values and morals are overshadowed by someone playing football.

TheGame · 08-28-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bond

You know there is a problem with society when values and morals are overshadowed by someone playing football.

So forgiving someone for a mistake they made and allowing them a second chance is immoral?

Wasting your time worrying about someone did in the past all the time, never forgiving them or giving them a chance is the right thing to do? Even after they did their time in jail and payed out the ass for it?

Professor S · 08-28-2009, 01:18 PM

The question is: Would everyone be so forgiving if he didn't play pro football? The answer is no.

People sold their morals for the chance of their team winning professional sporting events.

Vampyr · 08-28-2009, 01:25 PM

There's a difference between a "mistake" and what he did.

TheGame · 08-28-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor S

The question is: Would everyone be so forgiving if he didn't play pro football? The answer is no.

Possibly. But a lot of people still haven't forgiven him dispite him being a pro football player. In fact, he gets a bigger negative reaction then any normal guy would get who did the same thing. If you count the potential money he could have made, and the money he actually lost.. he's likely paid for it more then any other man who's ever commited the same crime. Not to mention his dirty laundry is going to follow him around for the rest of his life on the public stage.

If he wasn't a pro football player, would you even know or care about him commiting this crime? A lot of fast food places are known for hiring people with a criminal record, have people even considered not going to them for that fact?

So yeah.. I'm just kinda on the side of forgiving him and giving him a second chance personally. I just feel like he did his time for it, now he deserves a chance to use his gift and influence for good. I dont think FORGIVING someone who did their time already is immoral...

Professor S · 08-28-2009, 01:46 PM

If it's genuine, then I don't see the immorality, and in fact I'd view it as being downright Christian, but I contend that for the vast majority of those so quick to forgive, it's not out of kindness but some absurd loyalty to a sporting franchise. An ends justify the the means mentality, which is the essence of immorality.

Typhoid · 08-28-2009, 02:20 PM

The man has served his debt. He did time, and for godssake he's bankrupt.
Yes, what he did - not good. But as it's said, he did his time. That doesn't make up for what he did, but it's not like he's running around going "Ha Ha, I almost got away with that shit, motherfuckers!" The man just wants to play football, and in making the allusions that the rest of his life should be terrible and everyone on the planet should outright hate him is asinine.

TheGame · 08-28-2009, 03:02 PM

I think it boils down to how high in regard people hold the value of those pit bull's lives. I can understand why people who care a lot about animals are not ready to forgive him. A lot of people would see a homeless starving cat out on the street and help them, but if they see a homeless starving man they wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole. (I'm the type who wouldn't do anything for either!)

Vick killed those dogs brutally, and had fun while doing it. For some people he might as well killed other people... which in my book would be hard to forgive. So I understand them somewhat there.

And I understand that some people are quicker to forgive him if he's on their home team, and how that can be annoying to people who really hate Vick for what he did.

So I see where people are coming from.. I just am personally ready to forgive him.

Vampyr · 08-28-2009, 03:25 PM

There are some things I can forgive people for and some that I can't. Almost all of the time there are enough shades of gray involved to at least see it from the other person's point of view and to be able to forgive them. Examples include doing drugs, robbery, selling drugs, and even murder if done in self defense or to protect someone close to you.

There are other things that require a serious personal flaw in one's being to commit. Examples of this include being a serial killer, rape, and child molestation. And what he did.

It isn't my fault that he was in the public eye and therefore suffers more punishment and accusations than an average person. He was getting paid enough to face the consequences of what comes along with that.

Forgiveness is a funny thing. It shouldn't be like saying "it's ok, lets forget the past." It would be like "It's not ok what you did, but I'm ready to let you work to make up for it." People who applaud him at games, and what you guys are saying, have done the former, not the latter. Or maybe you have done the latter, but playing good at football is not enough to make up for it.

And besides, I have a good feeling he isn't sorry for what he did, he's just sorry he got caught doing it and his good times are over.