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nWoCHRISnWo · 03-29-2002, 03:19 PM

Strangler, this shouldn't be an argument between Austin and Bret, I only brought him up to compare their situations, which you somehow alter freely to make Austin a hero and Bret a piece of ****.

As for the fact/rumour thing... I never believed the things from 1wrestling were facts (but for you, it's a fact if it comes from 1wrestling and it's convenient, but a rumour if you're arguing against it apparently), I tried putting "as far as we know" "from all sources" etc. before most of what I said, so it's quite obvious you're just finding any little thing to falt me for.

Here's my problem with your whole argument though: "I'd rather take Austin's word for it" Oh, how suprising. You know my bias with nWo, now you must know how I feel because of your bias with anything not nWo, and in this case, Steve Austin. Anyhoo, just think for half a damn second... Do you think Austin would say anything to make himself look like the "badguy" here? This doesn't take a scientist... My biasm for nWo isn't even in the same league as yours for Austin right now. That's like taking OJ's word for it that he didn't kill his wife.

Oh yeah, and I conveniently excluded some columnists opinions on the Austin situation? LMAO. Nice try. I don't give a rat's ass about their opinions, I'm getting the facts, or what's closest to facts that we can get, unlike you. I went in the newsline sextion (NEWS, not COLUMNS/OPINIONS) and got the first three quotes that said anything about why Austin wasn't showing up at his job. They ALL said "from our sources" and none of it was opinion, so as I said before, AS FAR AS WE KNOW Austin is only mad because of HIS position.

Dave Scherer agreed with Austin, good for Dave Scherer. Just because 1wrestling people have opinions doesn't mean they're right. Now I know exactly what you're gonna do now, tell me that I'm a hipocrat because I quoted them as "facts." There's a difference between telling facts (or as close as facts that we can know) from their sources than their opinions.

"I'll even give you that Austin is out for himself"

That's not what you were saying before, even earlier in your same post. This is what my argument was, so thank you for finally ending this argument. Bottom line, as we both agreed now: Steve Austin is doing this for HIMSELF.

And where you ever saw me comparing Jarret to Austin I have no clue, but don't pretend I say things for your convenience. You don't have to be as good as Steve Austin is to be a main eventer.

Now, I realize that I have a bias for nWo, but after this argument, there's no question that your bias for anything going against nWo is far greater.

And one last thing, Hall, Nash, and Hogan DID lead WCW to new heights, and anyone other than you can see that.

Null · 03-29-2002, 05:15 PM

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And Null... You've always considered Bret a whiner. Good for you, know can you give me a few examples of him whining before the Montreal screwjob? And you've got your facts wrong, so that might be why your opinion on Bret is so jaded. He didn't wanna leave with the belt, he had no problem jobbing. He had a problem jobbing to Shawn Michaels, and Shawn Michaels only.

nWo was the reason you stopped watching WWF. Well you're in the big minority there. Black and white must suck too, seeing as how their T-shirts made wearing wrestling T-shirts acceptable in society. I saw more nWo shirts at WWF shows than anyone else's, even before nWo came back.

you reading into me a bit too much man.

I said i dissagree with the way BOTH hart and austin handled thier situations. As for bret. i used to be a huge fan of him. the Austin / Hart fueds back in the day is still one of my favorites.
Call it Harts character. call it the way he acts. he just always came off as a whiner to me. I didnt say anything hes done or did made it that way.

I think austins going off home and crying about it is just as whiny.

as for the black and white. i didnt say that was wrong for merchandise sales. everyone likes black tshirts.

But when the nWo was in WCW. EVERYTHING was black and white it seemed. all the wrestlers became black and white. the ring became black and white. everything. I like color. i loved when Savage wore the colorful things. i like Hogans Yellow better. Hell. i even liked doink the clown. COLOR MAN COLOR!

hehe

nWoCHRISnWo · 03-29-2002, 06:43 PM

You mean you didn't like when nWo ran everything in WCW?

Null · 03-29-2002, 06:45 PM

didnt care. cuz i stoped watching

Professor S · 03-29-2002, 09:32 PM

Chris, I honestly don't bother reading your posts anymore. I hope one day you come to your senses and realize you've wasted you best years of fandome on backstabbing pricks.

Biut since I can't convince you of this, I'll join you to make you happy.

Hogan is infallible...

Hall is sober and a fantastic human being...

Nash doesn't attempt to book only his friends in his angles...

X-Pac doesn't suck...

Happy now?

Null · 03-29-2002, 10:01 PM

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X-Pac doesn't suck...

nWoCHRISnWo · 03-29-2002, 10:28 PM

You need to realize that you're not always right Strangler. I've been to about seven wrestling boards today, and in each and every one of them, there are more people pissed at Austin for being the crybaby he's acting like than praising him.

And why must your bring up the people I cheer for in an argument where it matters not?

Ah well, just remember that you're always right even when everyone else says otherwise, and if you say something, it has more credibility than if a site with actual sources says something.

PS. Isn't it funny howyou change your whole argument from "Austin is doing this for the company" to "Austin is doing this for himself, but it will benefit the company" and you tell me you're not gonna bother reading MY posts anymore? LOL, whatever floats your boat.

And since you can't be convinced that Steve Austin isn't god, I'll have to agree with you.

-If Hogan, Hall, or Nash do ANYTHING at all, whether it be save an old woman from dieing or inventing the cure to a thousand types of diseases, they still do no good and are rotten pieces of ****.

-You're always right.

-If 1wrestling posts news that you like, it's reliable facts. If they post news you don't like, they're just rumours and anyone who listens to them are idiots.

-Hogan never EVER helped WWF and nWo never EVER helped WCW.

-Steve Austin is a bigger icon than Hogan.

(They seemed to have gotten funnier and funnier going down.)

BreakABone · 03-30-2002, 04:50 PM

Well I would just like to throw in my 2 cents even if they are late.

Anyhow, I believe that Stone Cold has every right to be mad.

I don't know what program you and the other WWF fans been watching for the last couple of montsh but the WWF really has been screwing up his character.

I mean just take a look at his character for about the last 14 months or so.

He starts off 2001 by winning the Royal Rumble and getting a shot at the WWF title in Texas his home state.

He continues his super hot feud with HHH at No Way Out 2001 in what was the match of the year.

He then focuses on his WWF title match at WM x-7. It was a rather poor build up to the match between him and the Rock but a good match nonetheless.

He makes a lackluster heel turn at WM x-7 and wins the WWFtitle. He goes on the next night to give one lame excuse for turning heel, and later that same night becomes friends with a man he was feuding with no more than 6 weeks before that. And it was no minor feud it was built up that this two hated each other. HHH ran the guy over with a damn car and Austin dropped him some 40ft in a car. Then in one swift motion he becomes good friends with him.

He continues the next few months in some dull feuds. I mean him vs Taker wasn't too great. Heck I don't even remember why they feuded.

He than has a feud with both Jericho and Benoit which turns out a decent match and starts the InVasion angle. Austin turns face for about 1-1/2 in this angle and then suddenly turns heel again.

Yes that is correct folks 2 heel turns in the span of about 3-1/2 months.

He goes on to have a hot feud with Kurt Angle. Only one real problem with this feud. Early on in the year it was built up that Kurt couldn't defeat SCSA. I mean they had two title matches at the end of 2000 which Austin almost wins but loses both due to HHH. But Austin is a wussy when it comes to Kurt Angle this time. And must result to cheating to keep his title at SummerSlam and then win it back from him after Unforgiven.

Austin would then become friends with Kurt Angle after he joined the Alliance even though they feuded like 2 weeks before that.

Austin would than participate in the winner takes all match at Survivor Series in which he would suffer the losing fall.

Austin would then go on to turn face when Ric Flair announces hinself new co-owner of the WWF.

Austin would lose his title at Vengeance in December to Chris Jericho after some heavy interference especially from one Mr.Booker T.

Booker T would then interefer in let another Austin title match causing Jericho to retain his title on Raw.

Booker T and Austin would fight in a grocery store and some other places like a church. This feud would result in one singles match in which Booker T wins but nothing major ever comes out of the feud,

Austin would than turn his attention to the Royal Rumble where he is built up as one of the people who could win it.

Austin is the 3rd to last person elimianted not even making it to the final 3 with Angle and HHH.

He would win a mini tourney to become number one contender for the WWF title yet he spends little time feuding with Jericho and spends most of his time dealing with McMahon and the on going threats of the nWo.

He would lose his WWF title match at NWO 2k2 to Jericho when the nWo interferes.

He would go on to feud with the nWo mainly Scott Hall and in a very lame segment pulls out a gun on Scott Hall and Kevin Nash.

Then the WWF wants him to lose to Scott Hall at the biggest event of the year.

Even though, just a year agfo he was wrestling for the title at the same event. And Scott Hall has proven time and time again he isn't the most reliable person in the world. So Austin was wise in not wanting to lose to Scott Hall. His character was pretty much shoot with all those lame turns and well some lame fueds and angles.

So I could see why Austin is a little mad.

Even more, who exactly would Austin feud with now?

Hogan and Rock are off doing there own things.

Austin already squashed Scott Hall showing that he is no real threat to Austin and the WWF really don't wnat him feuding with Kevin Nash,

Triple H is a face and Austin has feuded with Taker enough.

Joeiss · 03-30-2002, 05:40 PM

I find it funny that you guys take this so seriously. Hell, who knows, maybe this whole Austin thing is just a set up. Or maybe Austin is dead.

Who the hell cares.

Focus on who is wrestling, not who isn't. If Austin wants to be a baby, let him sit out. He knows that he can stay out as liong as he wants. Hell, why not. He is probably still receiving his pay check.

Matusha · 04-01-2002, 11:50 AM

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You guys are so naive it's not even funny.

First, I never said Austin didn't do a lot for wrestling. He's been very influential to pro wrestling, although not near as much as Hulk Hogan.

Next, where the hell do you get your info from? Austin has reportedly (unless you get some sort of special news from special sources that no one else knows about) not shown up at his job for a week now BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIKE HIS POSITION IN THE COMPANY. Note: *HIS*

Right from Dave Sherer: "he is unhappy with the way he has been used and treated since the arrival of the nWo."

"The rumors going around backstage were that we would see Austin back when he was satisfied that the WWF would use him properly."

Here's a quote straight from 1Bob: "Austin has been upset for several weeks, according to our sources, about the direction of his character and the fact that he was positioned into a semi-main event role for Wrestlemania.

WWF management was angered when Austin reportedly vetoed an idea that would have involved a run-in during his match at Wrestlemania with Scott Hall that would have been used to explain the "brand extension" that was announced the next night."

You can make up all the bull**** that you want, but get your facts straight. Austin isn't happy about HIS position in WWF, Austin is mad because of HIS spot at Mania, Austin even changed the biggest storyline WWF has right now because poor little Steve "crybaby" Austin didn't like what HE would have to give up.

As for Bret Hart, you have GOT to be kidding me. He was known for his loyalty, and after all he's done for the WWF (if it wasn't for him, your beloved Austin wouldn't be what he is today) he's not the crybaby you guys make him out to be. It's not that he didn't wanna pass the torch, nobody who knows anything has ever said that. It's not that he had a problem with jobbing in general, it was quite obvious that he didn't want to job to Shawn Michaels in Canada. Job to Michaels next night on Raw? Job to someone else in Montreal? No problem. Yet, he must be the world's biggest crybaby because of this, while Austin hasn't even shown up at his damn job for a week. ONE WHOLE WEEK. Imagine if you didn't show up at your job for a week. What would happen? I'll give you a hint, you won't have to show up for your job for lots of more weeks to come.

And about Jarret, forming opinions on a wrestler based on their drawing ability in the dieing months of WCW is so retarded I don't even know if you were joking or what.

You're a hell of a lot more biased AGAINST the nWo than I am TOWARDS them. You give them no credit whatsoever.

And Null... You've always considered Bret a whiner. Good for you, know can you give me a few examples of him whining before the Montreal screwjob? And you've got your facts wrong, so that might be why your opinion on Bret is so jaded. He didn't wanna leave with the belt, he had no problem jobbing. He had a problem jobbing to Shawn Michaels, and Shawn Michaels only.

nWo was the reason you stopped watching WWF. Well you're in the big minority there. Black and white must suck too, seeing as how their T-shirts made wearing wrestling T-shirts acceptable in society. I saw more nWo shirts at WWF shows than anyone else's, even before nWo came back.

And I think you're getting your facts from Strangler, who's getting his facts from unknown sources. As far as we know, Austin isn't fighting for any cause other than his own.

Wrong Chris.In 96' he was whining because he lost to Michaels and how they were putting Michaels over him.That is why he left for 8 months.

Rick_Blaze · 04-01-2002, 11:57 AM

Big ****ing deal, Austin is not at the top so he is mad. What's so hard to understand? He does not want to be somewhere else other than the top spot and he does not want to give it to the other guys around just like when Ric Flair refused to lose to Lex Luger or when Bret Hart didn't want to lose to Shawn Michaels and there are countless other examples. That doesn't make him a hero it makes him a wrestler.

Matusha · 04-01-2002, 12:02 PM

Austin sucked in 2001?He was much more cool than he evr was.The bad guy Austin made the new Austin,the What? man.Stone Cold had been sucking since 1999 before WMX8.I liked the heel Austin.They should make him one again if you ask me.

Joeiss · 04-01-2002, 02:29 PM

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They should make him one again if you ask me.

Yeah, but nobody is asking you.

Null · 04-01-2002, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by Matusha
Austin sucked in 2001?He was much more cool than he evr was.The bad guy Austin made the new Austin,the What? man.Stone Cold had been sucking since 1999 before WMX8.I liked the heel Austin.They should make him one again if you ask me.

um no...

"what" is the most annoying thing to come along since well.... ever.

austin sucked as a heel. he was funny at times. but he sucked. His character is built around being a badass. bout him being a tough SOB.

they totally changed his character. he sucked. if they could of kept him tough and made him bad. like back when he started fighting Hart back in the day. him as a heel can work.

Joeiss · 04-01-2002, 05:08 PM

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"what" is the most annoying thing to come along since well.... ever.

I agree, yet many, many people say "What" during the interviews. Damn, I hate it!!!