To those with both a DS and PSP...

[Blackmane]

Crash Bandicoot kart racing?

[MuGen]

Was there ever a game?

[Null]

Originally Posted by Kyuzo

but you only see Mario everywhere on GCN

not taking sides on this argument, but perhaps the weirdest example of all....

Mario and company in EA's NBA Street v3.

[MuGen]

omg i have never seen that........... thats almost a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

[Canyarion]

I bet a SSB clone with Sonic and other characters would sell pretty well, IF the play mechanics are good.

Cause don't forget, the Mario games ARE GOOD GAMES. And people enjoy them.

You act like all Nintendo has is Mario, but look at the top20 GCN games, I don't think 20% is Mario related.

[Null]

no doubt they sell well. and they used to be good. the lastest versions of mario gold and mario kart were huge dissapointments. but i have hopes that its only a little slip and they'll get back up with thoes for the next versions.

[MuGen]

Don't get me wrong, I am in no way saying they are bad games. I'm just making a point here, that they re-use Mario and his gang too much, and especially in gimmick games like Tennis, and Party... and now basketball.

They are all good games, but my point is... the repetition...

[DarrenMcLeod]

Yeah, Crash Bandicoot had his own racing game on Playstation back when his name meant something. (OMG MARIO KILLAR!)

Do I think that the Mario thing is a little ridiculous? Yes. NBA Street crossed the line. They don't belong there AT ALL. It was a horrible idea.

Now, Mario Kart is a franchise, and has been for ages, and I wouldn't want it any other way. Games like Mario Kart and Super Smash Brothers NEED the franchise characters to give them personality. Mario Kart wouldn't be fun with realistic drivers.

As far as creating new characters in a Nintendo game, it wouldn't have the marketing power. Top Spin Tennis is (apparently) a better tennis game than Mario Tennis. I haven't played it, so I wouldn't know, but I've heard great things. But what I do know is I've never heard anyone talk about Top Spin Tennis. My buddy owns XBox, and loves XBox Live. He also loves playing Mario Tennis with me and our buddies. But he still hasn't bought Top Spin, and won't. Strange draw that a franchise has on people.

I don't see what's wrong with franchise characters if it is their own game. I'd rather see Mario Party with Mario than with a bunch of other characters because I know the personalities of all the Nintendo characters, and the characters they introduce in other games (WarioWare for example) don't seem to have the same life. I wish WarioWare featured Mario and the gang rather than the weird cartoony guys in that game.

Talking about Microsoft not using "Master Chief Kart" is ridiculous, because he wouldn't work in anything but a shooter because of his character. The beauty of the Mushroom Kingdom is it is such a universal group of characters that can work in everything.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by DarrenMcLeod

The beauty of the Mushroom Kingdom is it is such a universal group of characters that can work in everything.

[MuGen]

Your misunderstanding me Highlander... First of all, Super Smash Brothers is far from a Mario franchise game, considering it consists of Nintendo characters of all sorts and not just the Mushroom kingdom.

I have favorite games on all 3 consoles, and I like Mario Tennis and Super Smash Brothers. But my point, yet again, is that they are rehashing the Mario characters in games they need not be in.... and the biggest example in NBA street...

And I guess you haven't heard of the new GCN game coming out Mario Dance Revolution?

[DarrenMcLeod]

As I stated, I think NBA Street 3 featuring Mario characters is stupid. The Mario Dance Dance is stupid.

But Mario Kart, Mario Tennis, Super Smash Bros, Mario Golf... I like the reusing of franchise characters. I guess that's just me, though.

[Teuthida]

They should just whore out Tingle and his brothers. Imagine Dance Dance Revolution with the spandex-clade quadruplets.

[bobcat]

I don't see the major deal.

It's Mario, he's a fat Italian plumber........cut him some slack

I don't see him complaining about being a cameo in every game possible. Maybe we should all take a step back and think about how Mario is handling all this...

[The Duggler]

Originally Posted by Null

not taking sides on this argument...

hehe yeah right.


As for the current debate, I guess it falls back to what each fans like. Nintendo fans like the gameplay, how a game plays and how much fun they have with it. The very essence of videogames I guess.

Mario Tennis is the best tennis game out there period. I could care less if it there was 2 or 100 characters, it would still be the best tennis game.

I guess others like having lots of extra stuff around the game like different characters etc... to make up for the lack of quality gameplay mecanics.

[Null]

Originally Posted by Nitram

hehe yeah right.

well, sometime when you get the able to read everything instead of just one part you'll start to get it. until then, oh well.