A Little Perspective in Iraq

[Professor S]

Well now that America is busy hating itself over the Abu Graif debacle, it seems we are continuing to overlook the constant atrocities being committed to Western civilians over in Iraq. Keep in mind these civilians are actually trying to rebuild Iraq and provide them with a future.

http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/sto...96.htm&sc=1107

Al Quieda has decided to release a video of the BEHEADING of an American civilian in response to the pictures of the Iraqi prisoners that were released to the press last week.

Civilians are beheaded, burned and hung from bridges by insurgents and terrorists... and the media goes nuts over a few embarrassing photos and actually can now enjoy the fact that because they released the photos to the public instead of the military, WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW, they are now responsible for the murder of an innocent civilian.

Just a reminder of how the world has completely lost perspective in Iraq. This message has been brought to you by the Foundation for Common Sense.

[Rndm_Perfection]

Yeah, I saw that right when I signed onto the net...

Above all, it reminded me how futile revenge-for-revenge is. That is, if the video is legit and not an act to anger the US, then the terrorist "heroics" are just foolish fuel for the cycle. I know, it happens in just about every conflict... and I'm not telling anybody anything that isn't clearly obvious. But, it's the first thing that jumped into my mind. Media posts pictures... terrorists kill civilians... terrorist leaders get bombed... terrorists make the leaders martyrs and raid cities... etc.

But, that beheading better damn well get as much, or more attention than pictures of humiliation and abuse.

[The Germanator]

Who cares about war? Haven't you guys seen the new Zelda video?

[Rndm_Perfection]

Originally Posted by The Germanator

Who cares about war? Haven't you guys seen the new Zelda video?

lmfao, dare any of you insult me when I call this place "just a gaming forum."

[The Duggler]

Originally Posted by The Germanator

Who cares about war? Haven't you guys seen the new Zelda video?

My god, this place is full of comedy this afternoon!

[Professor S]

The discussion about Abu Graif went several pages before it was closed... an American is beheaded with a knife in a process that took over 30 seconds and the discussion about it degrades into humor in 5 posts.

Thank you all for proving my point.

[Ace195]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

The discussion about Abu Graif went several pages before it was closed... an American is beheaded with a knife in a process that took over 30 seconds and the discussion about it degrades into humor in 5 posts.

Thank you all for proving my point.

Strangler I undertstand what your talking about, and I'm against the media in it's full.. It's trying to make "News" when in actuality all it does is skip the stores that would be considered news and jump straight to the terrible side.


But as far as common sense goes I had a drill sgt. that once told me "Common sense is not so common." So..


I say to everyone that is bickering and bitching about IRAQ, sure be against the war but support our troops. It's not their fault that the war is going on, They give orders we follow.

[The Germanator]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

The discussion about Abu Graif went several pages before it was closed... an American is beheaded with a knife in a process that took over 30 seconds and the discussion about it degrades into humor in 5 posts.

Thank you all for proving my point.

Well...When you post something like this on a gaming forum right as some of the most interesting stuff was being announced at E3, did you expect any different? Believe it or not, some people are more apathetic about the war than anything else.

I hate it that US soldiers are being killed, but this is what we wanted right? This is making our nation and the world a better place, right? So, some of those who have gone overseas have been killed, yep, that is what happens in war. I was about as apathetic about the Iraqi torture photos as I am about the supposed beheading of the U.S soldier. People die, whether it's a humane death or inhumane, does it matter? Of course it's a terrible thing, and it's why I disagree with war in the first place, but there's nothing to be done once a war starts. We probably don't even know about some of the more terrible offenses that have been commited on both sides, so I can't believe that the torture photos or this video are the worst things that have happened.

I suppose my point is that you certainly can't get a good judgement on people in general when you base your results on what has occured in a gaming forum. The media personally has no effect on me. I will not be outraged by anything that comes out of this war, no matter how horrible because the word "war" makes bad news redundant.

Edit: My mistake, US civilian, not soldier. Doesn't change my general view though.

[Stonecutter]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

Well now that America is busy hating itself over the Abu Graif debacle, it seems we are continuing to overlook the constant atrocities being committed to Western civilians over in Iraq. Keep in mind these civilians are actually trying to rebuild Iraq and provide them with a future.

http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/sto...96.htm&sc=1107

Al Quieda has decided to release a video of the BEHEADING of an American civilian in response to the pictures of the Iraqi prisoners that were released to the press last week.

Civilians are beheaded, burned and hung from bridges by insurgents and terrorists... and the media goes nuts over a few embarrassing photos and actually can now enjoy the fact that because they released the photos to the public instead of the military, WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW, they are now responsible for the murder of an innocent civilian.

Just a reminder of how the world has completely lost perspective in Iraq. This message has been brought to you by the Foundation for Common Sense.

Those civilians shouldn't be over there in the first place and they are the representatives of the biggest THEAVES in the entire world. It doesn't make the killing just, but stop trying to portray those victims as completely innocent, because they are far from it.

[TheGame]

I had a thought when I woke up this morning... "innocent" people get killed every day here by people within this country. Where is the daily head count on that? How "out of the ordinary" is terrorist attacks and murders in Iraq?

[Dylflon]

There was a 5 minute story on the beheading on CBC last night. It sucks for his parents to have to watch their son die.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

Those civilians shouldn't be over there in the first place and they are the representatives of the biggest THEAVES in the entire world. It doesn't make the killing just, but stop trying to portray those victims as completely innocent, because they are far from it.

Are you kidding me? Did you even do any research into the story of the guy who was beheaded? He volunteered his expertise because he felt he could go over there and help rebuild Iraq after the conventional war was over. But instead of actually basing any of your opinions on facts you'd rather create your own fiction and attempt to stain the memory of these people who put their lives on the line EVERY DAY to rebuild a nation for people who are trying to KILL THEM. You sentiments and uneducated and disgust me. If you actually are even attempting to defend the people who lopped off that poor man's head in the slightest, you are a horrific human being and deserve to be drug into the street and beaten publicly. That would make you worse than the scum that spit on soldiers when they came back from Vietnam.

Ever notice that liberals always care about the humanity of everyone else exept their own American people? I find that disturbing.

You also keep saying how the US and its companies are THIEVES (not THEAVES). Please back that up with one shred of evidence of how companies brought over by the US or the US itself has stolen one ounce of oil or land from the Iraqi people. If this sounds like you've heard it before, its because you have. I ask for evidence whenever people accuse the US or its supported companies of stealing. Somehow no one can ever find it though

[Dylflon]

U.S. steals 80% of reconstruction fund

Sounds a bit like thievery to me.

If you want other people to give sources, you better damn well use reliable sources to back up your arguments. You never provide sources for your arguments.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

U.S. steals 80% of reconstruction fund

Sounds a bit like thievery to me.

If you want other people to give sources, you better damn well use reliable sources to back up your arguments. You never provide sources for your arguments.

Hah. Okay, even if they did steal from Iraq, it's not any different from what they're used to. Wasn't it Saddam who used his own country's earnnings to build his army to fight an eight year war with Iran, and invade Kuwait? That also sounds a bit like thievery to me.

I do not doubt the credibility of that article, because wether it happened or not, I couldn't care less.

Suppose you should backtrack into the older topics where facts and proof was given? He has given proof many times before.

And no offense guys, but I will trust the word of The Strangler before I trust the word of a 16 year old kid. Although I'd like to see what he has to say in regards to Dylflon's post.

[Dylflon]

I'm 17 .

The problem with arguing about things like the war on Iraq is that no matter how many sources are put forth, nobody will ever change their opinion.

Most of the time I've said things they were opinion based and I stated that they were opinion based. I don't post things as facts if I don't know them for sure. But even if I post what I think or my two cents (or if anyone else does it for that matter) people persist on tearing them apart.

I'd like you to notice that I do not attempt to "destroy" The Strangler's views or opinions. I respect his right to have them regardless of whether or not I agree with them. But if I say something about it me not believing so many civilians should have died, I get attacked.

Now, in arguments about the war on Iraq, the people arguing break down into two groups:

1. People who support the war

2. People who oppose the war

Nobody can win an argument because when it comes to the war on iraq virtually any argument is opinion based.

Example: "The Iraq war is good because Saddam was a bad guy."

"No, it is bad because civilians are dying."

These aren't facts. They are opinions. When it comes to these arguments, people from group 1 completely disregard anything anybody from group 2 has to say and vise versa. It's a lot like arguing about religion.

That's why nobody can win these arguments.

When I talk about Iraq, I won't try to take your opinions and rip them to shreds. I will only offer my opinion. I won't ask for sources and I won't argue about semantics.

In these debates people will have varying opinions.You should respect them rather than attack them.