Let's Talk Politics

[gekko]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...agency_iraq_15

The head of the U.N. nuclear agency will tell the Security Council on Monday that Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) has done a "quite satisfactory" job of cooperating with inspectors in some areas but that they need more time to complete their search.

"Their report card will be a `B' ? quite satisfactory," he said.

Later, seeking to qualify his comments, Gwozdecky said the "B" is only for responding to inspectors' questions and requests for information.

"We're not in the position of issuing grades ? that's for the Security Council to do," he said. "We just report the facts, and our goal is the disarmament of Iraq. They're not coming forward to help us. They're not bringing forward original documentation."

Give me a break here. A "B" grade? The powerless UN is afriad to say anything bad about Hussein. Are they forgetting that Iraq has barred inspectors from searching military bases? They can't search the most obvious location of the weapons! They can't get interviews with the scientists outside of Iraq, and we all know about Sadaam's torture, these guys will be killed if Sadaam thinks they squealed. Of course they won't talk. Give them US citizenship, then bring them back and they'll spill their guts. And then again, this "cooperation" includes all these chemical warheads they "forgot" were there, and they still won't say where the ton of VX gas, and numerous other unacounted-for biological agents are. That deserves a B? Closer to a D.

The White House dismissed the favorable assessment, but a senior U.S. official said the Bush administration was considering agreeing to let the inspections go on longer as a means of reassuring anxious European allies following a rift that broke out this week with France and Germany.

Welcome to Europe. When push comes to shove, Germany and France will jump on board. And you know the second the US has won the war France will jump in and try to get good oil prices.

Bush needs to push this in his State of the Union, action needs to be taken soon. Iraq has a decade of practice avoiding weapons detectors, you don't think they know how to hide their weapons? They've done it for years! It isn't the best time for a war with Iraq, considering the oil problem in Venezuela, but the more Bush waits, the more people are afriad to invest and it's hurting our economy. We have more than enough reasons to go to war with Iraq, just go already.

[ZebraRampage]

I just finished my World Cultures class and now you just reminded me of it. I'm sick of politics.

[Rndm_Perfection]

Heh, I don't see what the hesitation to attack Saddam is. Just because we had attacked him before and stopped half way, doesn't mean we should give him a break just because he "went silent" for a bit...

The government is lacking tact... and lots of it! We need to slip out deals to all who support us, stating that they'll get the best oil prices.

Wars aren't fun and games, they aren't little talent shows to flash your shiny toys and weaponry. What ever happened to strategy (and dear God, what of this "strategerie"?). The United States of America is THE powerhouse nation, no matter how hard politicians and little outsiders try to get around it.

I know, you're thinking I'm some patriotic fanboy who jumped off onto a tangent... so I'll get to the point:

Saddam is a threat. He was about 12 years ago, he is now, and he will be even larger of a threat in years to come if someone doesn't act now. Alliances like the UN are too large... it's why the United States has become static in growth, and why countries separate in the first place. Due to little disagreements for personal welfare, someone like Saddam is going to be permitted to be the next Adolph Hitler. And... Hitler didn't need "weapons of mass destruction" to do some damage. The threat is not the opponents weapons, but rather our self-caution.

As for the inspections, I find them completely unnecessary. *shrugs* I find it all quite ridiculous. We're just buying more time for Saddam while pushing positive messages through the press.

In World War II, the world's threat was Isolationism... and Japan saved us all by giving the States an eye-opener.

In World War III, it will be the UN. For all the good in the world, I hope Japan does something. Heheh, their oil prices are so high, I could see it happen.


Well, that be my opinion. May I only need to speak it once.

[Joeiss]

Comparing Hitler and Hussein is a joke. Please do not every make that comparison again.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Joeiss
Comparing Hitler and Hussein is a joke. Please do not every make that comparison again.

I guess you don't know how Hussein treats his people then? They are starving. Babies can't get milk, children barely have enough food to live the day. He bombs his own people and kills them, just because they are different from him. Hussein lives in a 100 room palace, while some of his people have no shelter. He's a cruel dictator that controls his entire country. That is reason enough to eradicate him from the face of the earth.

[Ravishing Rick Rude]

Originally posted by Joeiss
Comparing Hitler and Hussein is a joke. Please do not every make that comparison again.

Yea, i agree with this one, Umm, Saddam, is just....a dictator, who has a reputation of being a "terrorist" Hitler, began to wipe out an entire race of people without thinking twice.

[Rndm_Perfection]

Originally posted by Joeiss
Comparing Hitler and Hussein is a joke. Please do not every make that comparison again.

Oh, I'm sorry... I was completely wrong. Saddam has the potential to be worse than Hitler.

Of course, Saddam is nothing like Hitler as of now. But, was not Hitler also seen as a reliable leader before his large plans of racial extermination? Hitler was one of the most charismatic men of the world's history. Why, he was even a spokesperson for the Olympics, and the first voice on radio which extended past Earth's limits. Hitler's "goal" was quite noble in his mind.

What makes Saddam so different? Is it because he hasn't hurt you or anyone you know? Is it because you haven't read about him attempting to wipe out an entire race?

*shrugs* Well, let's see. Let all the world leave Saddam to his plans. Perhaps he won't turn out to be anything like Hitler. Maybe he's just performing his "experiments" not to test out the power of his weaponry, but rather to discover some peculiar cure to cancer!

Yea, i agree with this one, Umm, Saddam, is just....a dictator, who has a reputation of being a "terrorist" Hitler, began to wipe out an entire race of people without thinking twice.

Ooooh boy... "just a dictator". I suppose Hitler's start was that dramatically different. As well, I presume being highlighted as a "terrorist" isn't too bad as being highlighted as a "military and political genius".

It's not what Saddam has done. It's what Saddam can do. And... inspecting palaces isn't going to give anybody the heads up.


Personally, I believe the word "terrorist" has been far over-used by the press. Heh, they should try "alarmist" or "horrorist" *gasps*.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Rndm_Perfection

Ooooh boy... "just a dictator". I suppose Hitler's start was that dramatically different. As well, I presume being highlighted as a "terrorist" isn't too bad as being highlighted as a "military and political genius".

Hitler was elected by the German people.

I'm not trying to justify his cause, but the German people did democratically elect him into office.

[gekko]

Originally posted by Bond
Hitler was elected by the German people.

So was Sadaam Well... technically at least

And attached, for Joeiss, British intelligence report on Sadaam's crimes against humanity.

[Kitana85]

I couldn't get my computer to read the dossier (I need to uninstall and reinstall Acrobat, but am unmotivated to do so), but at any rate, as all of you are trying to defend why Hussain is like Hitler, you are ALL using one phrase that emphasizes the vast differences between the two: you keep saying what inhumanities Hussain is doing to the PEOPLE OF HIS COUNTRY. Hitler did things to people NOT ONLY in his counrty, but to people all over Europe. He killed people in Africa, in other Europian and Asain nations, he killed people everywhere.

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Originally posted by Bond
Hitler was elected by the German people.
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Yes, by his people, but not by those whom he was brutally murdering, and those whose lives he was otherwise destroying

Yes, I do believe we need to go to war. The UN is getting nothing done, aside from possibly giving Hussain more time, but we CANNOT act alone. We are the powerhouse, but we will fall if we have the ENTIRE world against us. I am for a just war, and though in some ways this idea seems like a crusade, there are few other options. I say few as I belive there must be some left, but it is a time to act.
However, as I said, we CANNOT afford to invade without other nations behind us. Bush seems war hungry, eager to fight, and that is not a safe state for the commander in chief to reside.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Kitana85

Yes, by his people, but not by those whom he was brutally murdering, and those whose lives he was otherwise destroying

I never said he was elected by whom he brutally murdered.

[Jason1]

Why dont we go to war blah blah blah...?

The answer to that question is simple...thousands of American lives will be lost. Is it really worth it? You guys wouldnt be saying ''oh just go to war allready!'' if you were being drafted or had to fight.

[gekko]

Originally posted by Kitana85
Hussain is doing to the PEOPLE OF HIS COUNTRY. Hitler did things to people NOT ONLY in his counrty, but to people all over Europe. He killed people in Africa, in other Europian and Asain nations, he killed people everywhere.

It's Hussein, with an "e." Anyway, what's your point with this? They're different? Or one is worse than the other?

we CANNOT act alone. We are the powerhouse, but we will fall if we have the ENTIRE world against us. I am for a just war, and though in some ways this idea seems like a crusade, there are few other options. I say few as I belive there must be some left, but it is a time to act.
However, as I said, we CANNOT afford to invade without other nations behind us. Bush seems war hungry, eager to fight, and that is not a safe state for the commander in chief to reside.

Of course we have the entire world against us. Until the day comes when Sadaam kills million of Americans, we will have people against us. Most people don't think Sadaam's a threat to Americans. I guess we're forgetting that there's more ways to spread chemical weapons than through warheads. All you need is a small bag, about the size of a lunchbag full of chemicals. Sneak it into the country, hit the water supply of a major city, and there will be millions dead. But I'd rather have some people not like the US than see the piles of bodies.

There are many reasons the other nations aren't behind us, other than they're pussies. Russia and China have been trading on the black market with Iraq. And when the war is over, we will probably figure out France is selling them stuff they shouldn't be. No one wants Sadaam in power, but no one has the balls to say so. By saying so they would become a target of Sadaam's, and perhaps lose some deals on oil.

Originally posted by Jason1
You guys wouldnt be saying ''oh just go to war allready!'' if you were being drafted or had to fight.

I am enlisted in the United States Marine Corps. I ship out August 11th, MOS 0300 Infantry option. Oh, and go to war already!

[Joeiss]

How long has Hussein been in power in Iraq? Hmm... Too long. And guess what? Hitler was only in power for what... 10 years? And he came so close to killing off the Jews, conquering Europe and conquering Russia. Hmm.... Saddam has killed his own people, and umm... Went to war with Kuwait, then got defeated by America... hmm... what else?

[Professor S]

The reason why Hussein hasn't killed millions so far isn't because he hasn't had the inclination, its because he hasn't had the opportunity. He already tried his hand at genocide by gassing the Kurds. Now should we wait until he kills millions before we finally come to the conclusion that he could very well be the next Hitler? Your logic is flawed to say the least...

Hussein attempted to kill his own son, gets sexual pleasure from torturing prisoners (according to his former mistresses), his heads of state retire and then "vanish", his own people took over the southern portion of Iraq after the Gulf war only to be crushed and then systematically murdered, he a flagrantly ignored U.N. resolutions on inspections for over 7 years and oh yeah, there's the whole genocide thing I mentioned earlier.

But no, you're right, there's no way he could be the next Hitler...

Here's a little history lesson for you: After WWI the world forces decreed that Germany could not have a standing Army of over 80,000 troops. Once Hitler was voted Chancellor he began forming the SS, which was technically a "political" group even though they trained as soldiers. There numbers were over 1 million strong. The world knew about the SS, knew that they were really an army, but sat around and hoped nothing would come of it. Look what happened there. World apathy allowed millions to be killed. Maybe we should start taking out lessons from history, instead of constantly being forced to relive it.

I recommend all those who don't believe we should go to war should get their heads out of the sand or whatever other dark holes they have them stuck into.

As for thousands of Americans being killed in the war with Iraq, did you even pay attention to the first Gulf war?