GOP Debate Thoughts

[Professor S]

- John McCain looks like Emporer Palpatine. He's jumped the shark.
- Tom Tancredo (sp?) is nuts.
- Ron Paul makes Tom look sane.
- Who the **** is Gilmore?
- Rudy Guliani was surprisingly mediocre.
- Sam Brownback was surprisingly strong.
- President Huckabee? He's doomed just because of his name.
- Mitt Romney is your next President of the United States. I'm calling it right now. Tall, good looking, knowledgeable and confident. When I look at him I see Ronald Reagan, and it has nothing to due with his policies. We may see the return of the Great Communicator.

[manasecret]

Thursday, May 03, 2007
"Glorious day of human liberty and freedom"
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Those are the words Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback used to describe the day Roe v. Wade was hypothetically repealed.

Nine out of the 10 GOP presidential candidates also endorsed repealing the abortion decision, with Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo saying "that would be the greatest day in this country's history."

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani was the lone hold-out.

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Yikes. Greatest day in USA history? Heck I failed US history and even I can think of a hundred different days that would be greater than that day, even if I were anti-abortion.

I didn't catch the debate, so this ticker they got at CNN helped fill me in a bit. http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/

[Professor S]

Well lets clarify those comments, Mana. Yes, they are against Roe vs. Wade, but few of them said they were 100% against abortion. Roe vs. Wade is horrible law and should be repealed, but that does not equal banning abortion, it means passing good abortion law. Law that is specific and qualifies life, and doesn't just give carte blanche when it comes to ending pregnancies.

How many years have we spent arguing over Roe vs. Wade because it is horribly ambiguous precedent? If we pass clear and specific law in it's stead, then we can stop this rediculous bickering, protect burgeoning life while allowing women to have a right to choose but not KILL and get to important issues. I think that is more the point that most of the candidates were trying to convey.

Everyone, lets not just concentrate on abortion, lets keep this about the debate. If you want to address the abortion issue, please do, but try and keep it in the context of the debate (You're comments were fine, Mana, I'm speaking to everyone else)

[manasecret]

Yes I see that as a problem of "seeing" the debate second-hand from CNN, because I may read their little five-sentence blurb generalizing what ten candidates had to say about one little tiny issue (hah) and obviously not really get the true spirit of what the candidates said. That said, I'm getting it second hand from you as well. Personally, saying "Glorious day of human liberty and freedom" or "that would be the greatest day in this country's history" goes a little bit further than just disagreeing with a poorly clarified court decision.

I know what you mean, I don't want to steer this towards abortion either. Rather boring subject that goes no where anyhow. But I don't really want to talk about how handsome each candidate is either .

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by manasecret

Yes I see that as a problem of "seeing" the debate second-hand from CNN, because I may read their little five-sentence blurb generalizing what ten candidates had to say about one little tiny issue (hah) and obviously not really get the true spirit of what the candidates said. That said, I'm getting it second hand from you as well.

To be specific, I was fererring to their comments about partial birth abortion, which most of the candidates referred to when abortion was brought up. Roe vs. Wade gives the precendent that could make that disgusting practice legal again. I will dance the day Roe vs. Wade is overturned as well, and real law is passed, though I doubt it will ever happen.

And I'm glad to hear you don't trust me either. Go watch it for yourself, and then decide. If more people did that the world would be in a much better place.

I know what you mean, I don't want to steer this towards abortion either. Rather boring subject that goes no where anyhow. But I don't really want to talk about how handsome each candidate is either .

Unfortunately thats been a big reason for winning elections since women were given the right to vote. No I'm not being sexist, just stating fact reflected by research.

[Bond]

Yep. It's Mit Romney.

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by Professor S

- Mitt Romney is your next President of the United States. I'm calling it right now. Tall, good looking, knowledgeable and confident. When I look at him I see Ronald Reagan, and it has nothing to due with his policies. We may see the return of the Great Communicator.

You honestly cant be serious. Hes MORMAN. Are you kidding me? They would outlaw premarital sex and drinking. Im serious, he would try.

Not to mention the fact he has absolutley no chance whatsoever of getting the nomination. None.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Jason1

You honestly cant be serious. Hes MORMAN. Are you kidding me? They would outlaw premarital sex and drinking. Im serious, he would try.

Not to mention the fact he has absolutley no chance whatsoever of getting the nomination. None.

Not only is this comment bigotted, but it managed to be completely IGNORANT of any information regarding the race so far or the candidate you claim to know so much about.

1) Morman - I guess you think if he's President he'll try and make you worship Joeseph Smith, take multiple wives and eat babies as well? You should really take the time to get to know a candidate and their modern faith before making such statements.

2) He's raised more campaign funds than any other Republican candidate the last time I checked numbers.

3) He's smooth, presidential, good looking and so far can articulate his positions more effectively than any other Republican candidate.

4) Romne is tied... TIED... for FIRST PLACE in most polls of Republican constituents, even though he media is obsessed with Romne's religion and hammers it into the ground everytime they interview him. Republicans aren't going to dislike him more because of it the more they get to know him. The time for bigotted dismissal of Romne (just like your post) has passed. He has been accepted as a mainstream candidate, and that is not going to change anytime soon.

I have an idea: Listen to his actual IDEAS before slandering the man for his FAITH.

And for the record, I'm not supporting any candidate yet, but I lean Guliani so far (even though I have no idea how to spell his name), even though Romne is closing in. Time will tell.

[Teuthida]

Originally Posted by Professor S

Romne is tied... TIED... for FIRST PLACE in most polls of Republican constituents

Scary: http://movies.crooksandliars.com/GOP...-Evolution.mov

None of the folks you like raised their hands, but just showing that the disposition of the candidates as a whole isn't anything to applaud.

And for the record, I'm not supporting any candidate yet, but I lean Guliani so far (even though I have no idea how to spell his name), even though Romne is closing in. Time will tell.

I like Giuliani as a drag queen, not as the president...although if he was in drag for speeches I suppose I could overlook his ****ty policies. I'm not quite sure how he became popular after 9/11 considering how many firefighters he got killed due to his poor decision making. Perhaps in the same way everyone loved Bush just after it happened. My, how things changed. Plus I just learned he was the reason I couldn't get a ferret back in 95. I knew they were illegal but didn't realize how much he hated them. That bastard.

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Jason1

You honestly cant be serious. Hes MORMAN. Are you kidding me? They would outlaw premarital sex and drinking. Im serious, he would try.

Not to mention the fact he has absolutley no chance whatsoever of getting the nomination. None.

MORMON. He's MORMON.

[KillerGremlin]

the upcoming election is depressing, who is going to pick on Bush when he's not in office....i'll miss his witty comments like, "i'm the commander guy."

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by Bond

MORMON. He's MORMON.

Right, exactly, and thats the point im trying to make. Do you know anyone who is Mormon strangler? I actually happen to have a good friend of mine, who ive known a long time, who is mormon. Dont get me wrong, I like the guy, in fact hes one of the nicest persons ive ever met, I just told you he is my friend, but his views are so whacked out crazy, he has no sense of humor, cant take a joke, ect. God forbid you say anything PG-13 rated aroud him, he will simply leave the room, im not even kidding. Im not saying all Mormans are like that, but I could see this guy coming and knocking on my door trying to get me to convert to Mormanism. Mormons try to covertley get into the discussion of religion with you, challenge your views, then change them. Trust me, my friend does it to me all the time. The point is, Its stupid, and I dont have any respect for a religion that goes door to door trying to get people to become members. If I want to be Mormon, I will, I dont need to be convinced of that. Im not trying to push my religious beliefs onto others, and I dont want anyone doing that to me. And I do believe Mitt Romney would try to brainwash the American people, because thats what Mormans do.

But really Im not sure why im arguing this, Im voting Democrat for sure this election, because Im sick of the gas prices (among other things, of course)

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Jason1

Right, exactly, and thats the point im trying to make. Do you know anyone who is Mormon strangler? I actually happen to have a good friend of mine, who ive known a long time, who is mormon. Dont get me wrong, I like the guy, in fact hes one of the nicest persons ive ever met, I just told you he is my friend, but his views are so whacked out crazy, he has no sense of humor, cant take a joke, ect. God forbid you say anything PG-13 rated aroud him, he will simply leave the room, im not even kidding. Im not saying all Mormans are like that, but I could see this guy coming and knocking on my door trying to get me to convert to Mormanism. Mormons try to covertley get into the discussion of religion with you, challenge your views, then change them. Trust me, my friend does it to me all the time. The point is, Its stupid, and I dont have any respect for a religion that goes door to door trying to get people to become members. If I want to be Mormon, I will, I dont need to be convinced of that. Im not trying to push my religious beliefs onto others, and I dont want anyone doing that to me. And I do believe Mitt Romney would try to brainwash the American people, because thats what Mormans do.

But really Im not sure why im arguing this, Im voting Democrat for sure this election, because Im sick of the gas prices (among other things, of course)

1) Bond was pointing out how you misspelled Mormon... he wasn't agreeing with you. And not to throw stones, I misspelled it too.

2) You know a Mormon, and now your an expert on what all Mormons will do... wow, thats a special power you have. I guess if a black guy mugged you you'd think all blacks are criminals...

3) Voting democrat or not, its actually good to know the character and policies of the people who you refuse to vote for befre doing so. Otherwise, your decision is based on ignorance and apathy, and not thought or internal dialogue.

4) Really think that an INTERNATIONAL commodity, such as Oil, can have the the price changed by a President and not more powerful market forces? Do you know that America has one of the LOWEST level of gas prices in the WORLD right now? Do you know much of anything that you are basing your voted on??? Or are Democrats "good" and Republicans are "bad" and little else needs to be discussed?

This is why I become a prick when talking about politics, because of bigotted, ignorant and lazy views such as those presented here.

Favorite book and novel? Who the **** cares? I care about his views and policies, not his choice of lietrature. This is why idiots get elected, is because of questions like that from the media.

And KG, I think Bush is going to play a huge role in getting a Republican back in office, and it won't be because of anything Bush does, its because the Democrats can't seem to get their brains around the fact that Bush isn't running next election...

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by Professor S

4) Really think that an INTERNATIONAL commodity, such as Oil, can have the the price changed by a President and not more powerful market forces? Do you know that America has one of the LOWEST level of gas prices in the WORLD right now? Do you know much of anything that you are basing your voted on??? Or are Democrats "good" and Republicans are "bad" and little else needs to be discussed?

Yes, I honestly do believe that getting a democrat elected would lower gas prices. In fact, I would be willing to bet money that gas lowers by at least 50 cents, if not a lot more, within 3 months of a democrat getting elected. Bush and Cheney are in with the Oil companys. Higher gas prices means more money for them. Have you ever seen Farienheit 9/11? And, the fact that the rest of the world hates them (who can blame them), dosent help either. We need a democrat elected so the rest of the world will like us, plain and simple.

[The Germanator]

Nothing all that relevant here, but an article on Romney's favorite book...Yay.

http://kutv.com/politics/local_story_123235115.html