Bowling for children

Crash · 07-13-2005, 08:55 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...tm?POE=NEWISVA

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Suicide car bomber kills up to 27, several Iraqi children
BAGHDAD (AP) — A suicide car bomb exploded next to U.S. troops handing out candy and toys, killing 18 children and teenagers Wednesday.

Parents heard the shattering explosion and raced out to the discover the worst — children's mangled, bloodied bodies strewn on the street.
An Iraqi policeman secures the site where a suicide car bomb exploded in Baghdad. . At least 70 people were injured, a newborn and three U.S. soldiers among them
By Ali al-Saadi, AFP/Getty Images

and we're supposed to fight them fair.... WTF

damn liberal hippies get pissed when americans do this

but no one bats an eye when 30 kids are blow up by the same freaking psychos that were in abu ghraib

in a related story:

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Armed men stormed a house in Baghdad on Tuesday, killing four Iraqi human rights activists and wounding another, a member of the group said.

The victims belonged to the local International Organization for Human Rights and were shot by several men at their office in the western neighborhood of Jamaa, their colleague Jamal Ibrahim said.

yeah, these ****ers are real human, and deserve to be treated with utmost respect... my ASS ...**** the geneva convention in this occupation

Happydude · 07-13-2005, 09:06 PM

stupid stupid terrorists...

Fox 6 · 07-13-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash

yeah, these ****ers are real human, and deserve to be treated with utmost respect... my ASS ...**** the geneva convention in this occupation

In that case you would just be lowering yourself to the terrorists level. Also people people would disagree at the war in Iraq even more, to break a treaty that your country signed in good faith is a ridiculous thought. I'm not saying that they should sit back and do nothing, but breaking that treaty would be a bad idea.

Crash · 07-13-2005, 09:19 PM

yeah, I agree... the geneva convention should not be broken.. because then americans would be hated more than ever.

but something has to be done... it is an unfair war, and its causing american lives (about 1700 as of now)

my dad's regiment - 3rd ACR out of colorado... has had a crapload of casualties for one post. why? roadside bombs, suicide bombs and plain "what-were-they-thinking"

how do you fight an enemy that doesn't fight like you do?

think brittish in revolutionary war... 'but they aren't fighting the way they are supposed to...., they are hiding and wearing camoflage'

what happened to them? well, they didn't get their job done, because they were too concerned with doing it like a gentleman.

now, we're too concerned with "doing it polically correct" and its not good for us. That's all I'm saying.

Fox 6 · 07-13-2005, 09:21 PM

It seems to me that you were probably blowing off steam, and expressing your frustration, and thats ok to do at times.

DarrenMcLeod · 07-13-2005, 09:31 PM

Terrorist bombings don't justify the prisoner photos.

Crash · 07-13-2005, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DarrenMcLeod

Terrorist bombings don't justify the prisoner photos.

worse things happen at frat parties... big deal i say!

Crash · 07-13-2005, 09:33 PM

of course, i'm just blowing off steam.

just sick of the media saying:

"2 more american soldiers killed needlessly today"
when those soldiers are trying to protect us and them and little iraqi children from becoming victims of religiously charged hate crimes.

dammit media, cover the real stories not your crybaby I want it my way stories!!!

DeathsHand · 07-13-2005, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash

just sick of the media saying:

"2 more american soldiers killed needlessly today"

What the hell media are you watching/reading/listening to?

Xantar · 07-14-2005, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Crash

yeah, I agree... the geneva convention should not be broken.. because then americans would be hated more than ever.

but something has to be done... it is an unfair war, and its causing american lives (about 1700 as of now)

my dad's regiment - 3rd ACR out of colorado... has had a crapload of casualties for one post. why? roadside bombs, suicide bombs and plain "what-were-they-thinking"

how do you fight an enemy that doesn't fight like you do?

think brittish in revolutionary war... 'but they aren't fighting the way they are supposed to...., they are hiding and wearing camoflage'

what happened to them? well, they didn't get their job done, because they were too concerned with doing it like a gentleman.

now, we're too concerned with "doing it polically correct" and its not good for us. That's all I'm saying.

Don't look now, but all of that suggests that maybe, just maybe, some folks in the government didn't have a totally clear idea of how to carry the war in Iraq through to its conclusion.

So how do you fight an enemy that doesn't fight like you, Crash? Do you have some suggestions for our troops?

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3) All muslim detainees, including those that we hold that were involved in the 9/11 attack, are given many priveledges including a Quran and food that is cooked and treated to Islamic specifications (in fact the meals that detainees receive are considerably more expensive than ones we feed our own troops). Detainees that have been cooperative have even been taken on boat trips and given BBQ dinners and other amenities.

Which is all beside the point because these detainees were imprisoned without a right to counsel nor reasonable expectation of a timely trial or even knowing what they are suspected of doing. Spare me all the talk about barbecue dinners and having surgical masks to hang the Quran off the ground because that's all just blowing smoke. What if there's somebody totally innocent in there? The problem with the way we're detaining people is there's no way we'd even know if there were innocent people in there. If I were detained without being able to talk to anybody or even face my accusers, somehow I don't think that having expensive food served to me would be much comfort.

Professor S · 07-14-2005, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Xantar

Which is all beside the point because these detainees were imprisoned without a right to counsel nor reasonable expectation of a timely trial or even knowing what they are suspected of doing. Spare me all the talk about barbecue dinners and having surgical masks to hang the Quran off the ground because that's all just blowing smoke. What if there's somebody totally innocent in there? The problem with the way we're detaining people is there's no way we'd even know if there were innocent people in there. If I were detained without being able to talk to anybody or even face my accusers, somehow I don't think that having expensive food served to me would be much comfort.

1) We don't have to let them face their accusers and and they are not protected under US or any other law that I am aware of, as I pointed out with my bit about the Geneva Convention.

2) We have released many detainees that we have captured and kept in Abu Graib and GITMO. In fact I believe that 6 (maybe more) detainees that have been released by the US have been RE-CAPTURED or killed in Iraq. They were released and then went back to kill more troop/civilians/kids/kittens. Oh those poor poor detainees. I feel so sorry for them.

Spare me all your sympathy and indignation. We aren't keeping pick pockets in GITMO. These are bad people that do the kind of things that Crash posted above. Sorry if you can't stomach what needs to be done.

The whole problem is that no one has a damn clue about what needs to be done, besides the people whose JOB IT IS TO DO IT. So until someone comes up with a better idea on how to gain intelligence from illegal combatants and killers, I'll trust those that are trained to do so and their methods.

gekko · 07-14-2005, 09:33 AM

I'm glad you guys get the luxury of spewing your **** from a ****ing keyboard on the other side of the world. Maybe if your ass had to walk down those same streets, you might find this to be a little bit bigger deal.

As for the Geneva convention, I am not against it, but the insurgents are, so **** em. It's like signing a peace treaty and then getting attacked. Are you still going to ****ing sit there and get killed, or will you fight back? You ****ing fight back. The geneva convention was never intended to be one-sided. We did the right thing, we followed it, but now they didn't. All is fair in love and ****ing war, and this is war.

Now how do you fight an enemy that doesn't fight like you? You adapt, and you fight like them. Holy ****, is this a new concept? Does anybody learn anything about Vietnam other than the politics of it? To fight guerillas, you fight like guerillas. It's that simple. I'll kill every mother****er in that city if I have to. These ****s know who doesn't belong in their neighborhood, they know who is an Iraqi, and who isn't. They got two choices, tell us where the **** they are, or get wiped out along with em. **** these guys, I have no remorse. I'm not about to go back and be a human ****ing target just waiting to be shot at again. Cut it close this time, the first week after we were relieved, they lost 6 to IEDs on the same routes we would've been taking. After only 2 months, they were up to 27 lost. I'm sick of this political-driven bull**** that we are putting up with being fueled by *****-ass bitches sitting online causing controversy over stupid **** that they can never relate to.

We're at war. Grab a weapon, or shut the **** up and let someone else fight for you.