Don't believe in God? Why not?

[Joeiss]

I believe in God, I personally cannot see how somebody cannot. I believe in God, but I am very confused and always pray to God to talk about my questions.

I am confused about how God was created. The Bible says that he was always here, but what was before? Nothing? An empty universe? But how could there be a universe if nobody was there to create it? And if nobody was there to create it, then who created God?

Too many questions, and the only way we can find answers is by dying.

I believe in Jesus Christ, I believe that He is our saviour and that He will come again to save us. But, I belive in Jesus majorly , but does that mean that all of the non-Christians are wrong about their religions? And if Christians believe that other Religions are wrong, and other religions believe that Christianity is wrong, then who is right?

[DeathsHand]

Originally posted by BigJustinW

Now, tell me again, why don't you believe in God?

Going back to a little example of my own, instead of having Xantar do the explaining, why don't YOU do some explaining to, eh?

[GameKinG]

Dunandan, there is no way in explaining anything that counters what people think. If someone thinks a tree cant just magicly appear and you say "Well I think God can make a measly tree," you still havent answred, because In their opinion god dose not exist.

Plus it dosnt help to state your opinion trying to answer either becase thats IYO.

EDIT: also the universe consist of stars. Now, who created the stars. You could say it was god who created the *whatever makes stars*. You could say *whatever makes stars* was already there.

But space alone (no stars, gases, or planetets) consist of nothing. This is why its black. Im sure THAT has been nothing forever. Therefor a religious dude would say god was there or something...

[marionette]

ok, well i wasn't going to reply, but someone *cough*dh*cough* bugged me to reply.so.. n8's a good example of what i believe...

[DeathsHand]

Originally posted by marionette
ok, well i wasn't going to reply, but someone *cough*dh*cough* bugged me to reply.so.. n8's a good example of what i believe...

I was just playing around *coughreligiousfanaticcough*

J/K *runs away*

[marionette]

Originally posted by DeathsHand


I was just playing around *coughreligiousfanaticcough*

J/K *runs away*

whatever

lol

[Xantar]

Originally posted by BigJustinW


Ugh... if you haven't experimented with somthing yourself, how can you prove somthing?

You have a hypotesis.... you've made predictions, but you haven't tested them. 2 out of 4 steps.

Now, tell me again, why don't you believe in God?

You're making a tautological argument. Look over my post again. I never said that I could prove that God doesn't exist. I only said that it can't be proven to my satisfaction that He does.

Besides, you applied the scientific method the wrong way. A hypothesis in this case would be something like, "There is some being called God who is all powerful and all knowing. Furthermore, God has at some point in time and perhaps still does intervene in the universe."

The second point is crucial. After all, it's one thing to believe God exists. However, people who believe in God also believe that He has taken action sometime, if only to create the universe. I don't think anybody believes God exists but has for all eternity just been sitting around doing nothing while the universe did its own thing. If you do, then the argument is absolutely pointless since there's no way of looking at the universe for evidence of God's existence.

So, if he has taken some kind of action, that means there is something in the universe that can only be explained by the statement "an all powerful, all knowing being called God did it."

And that's where we come around again to the original quandary. Is there really something out there that can only be explained by God's existence? I believe there is not. You believe there is. And that's why you can't perform an experiment. In order to get results, you'd have to examine every single thing in the universe to determine whether or not you can explain it with a coherent theory that does not include God. You obviously can't do that.

You'll be tempted to say, "Well, then how did the universe get started?" or "How did the particles that make us up come into existence?" or something like that. And my answer is that I don't know. But a thousand years ago, we didn't know why things fall either. Today, we now have the theory of gravity. I believe that if the human race survives long enough, we will eventually have a sensible theory that explains how the universe got started. You believe that we will never have such a theory.

And there's no way for either of us to know which one is right. We just have to choose what feels right.

My sheep died.

[Gamer]

Originally posted by Danchastu
My sheep died.

Lets all pray for it.

Dear God...Amen...thats all i can think of.

[BigJustinW]

Originally posted by DeathsHand


Going back to a little example of my own, instead of having Xantar do the explaining, why don't YOU do some explaining to, eh?

That's what the last topic was about... but in this topic, the tables turn... explain why you find it hard to believe that god exists... non-believers defend thier side this time, I did a LOT of defence last time

[bobcat]

I believe in God.

I don't know 2 much about religion, or nothing, but I figure why wouldn't there be more stuff out there??

Pyramids, Easter Island, etc etc hasn't been proven by scientists (i don't think) but the pyramids and heads are there, and I don't think there is a believable explanation available.

I just think that so much money, time and effort has been put into God, that there must be something out there that can do this.

I also have had some freaky Deja Vu's that I can tell you are Deja Vu's and not made up by my brain without knowing conciously...........

*but if it's made up my brain without knowing conciously, how do you know that you know it's a Deja Vu...........*

stupid subconcious!

I can see why people wouldn't believe in God. With the above in mind, we can't prove God exists probably because we are uncapable of doing so.

I dunno...........flame my post as you wish

[BigJustinW]

Originally posted by Xantar


You're making a tautological argument. Look over my post again. I never said that I could prove that God doesn't exist. I only said that it can't be proven to my satisfaction that He does.

you look over MY post again

I understand why you don't really want to argue... but for me, GT has become damn boring, so I kinda need this. Nobody is going to prove anything to anybody, but we can always argue for the hell of it.

I'm not asking you tp prove God doesn't exist... I'm asking you for a logical reason for NOT thinking he exists. Also, even if you don't feel he exists, why not read deeper into it? It's not like Hinduism, sources are easilly found anywhere in this country. It also seems that you have no path anyway, and you are not even trying to search for one.

And that's where we come around again to the original quandary. Is there really something out there that can only be explained by God's existence? I believe there is not.

Even though my I'm trying not to center around the subject of Creation (and obviously you are) I think there is a flaw to your logic.

Right now, NOTHING pertaining creation can be explained, period.

You believe there is.

I do, I believe that a lot of things can explain a lot of things... but how god relates to my life in these time is what make the Bible the easiest thing to believe.

And that's why you can't perform an experiment. In order to get results, you'd have to examine every single thing in the universe to determine whether or not you can explain it with a coherent theory that does not include God. You obviously can't do that

Examine the very thing you are, a Human, there isn't an explination that makes sense, is there?

For me, God makes the most sense because of my personal experiences, but for you what makes the most sense... and why does that make more scientific sense to you?

You'll be tempted to say, "Well, then how did the universe get started?" or "How did the particles that make us up come into existence?" or something like that. And my answer is that I don't know. But a thousand years ago, we didn't know why things fall either. Today, we now have the theory of gravity. I believe that if the human race survives long enough, we will eventually have a sensible theory that explains how the universe got started. You believe that we will never have such a theory.

I guess

When a scientist create a new creature, not an evolved form of somthing, but an all around new creature, It will still be hard for me to believe that liquids came together on eath and created somthing as advanced as us.

And there's no way for either of us to know which one is right. We just have to choose what feels right.

Which brings me back to my question, What makes you not believe in god.

[PureEvil]

Originally posted by BigJustinW
Which brings me back to my question, What makes you not believe in god.

Xantar doesn't believe in God because God's existance hasn't been scientifically proven. How do you prove something scientifically? I think Xantar summed it up fairly well...

As it seems, for something to exist (In Xantar's opinion), that something's existance has to be scientifically proven (Using the method Xantar described).

Once science says "Yep, it exists," then Xantar says "Yep, it exists."

The existance of God has yet to be proven by science, therefore explaining to you why Xantar doesn't believe in God. I'm sure if God's existance were proven using science (And the method that goes which it; which Xantar explained), then Xantar would believe in God.

Until that point, however, Xantar chooses not to believe in God (Because God's existance hasn't been proven in the way which Xantar feels it needs to be proven in order for it to exist).

It isn't that hard to understand...

[Tunnelvision456]

I don't believe in god. the reasons are a bit personal so I won't go into that. the reason I am posting this is because I wanted to say how controlling and unaccepting catholic/Christian/Lutheran/whatever's are. whenever one of them finds someone who doesn't share their beliefs, they either dislike them, or try to "convert them". I USED to be catholic, with a very religious grandmother, so any defense toward your religion you could passably come up with, I have already heard. I do not try to "convert" religious people to atheism, and I would hope to receive the same respect. anyway, the only religion I could see myself taking up is budism, as it's a religion of love and acceptance, regardless of anyone's belief, and I respect that.

[Fez]

Personal? I only hope that all god people die. And agnostics. Losers..*

*No.

I don't believe in god, and I hate religion in a way...but who cares. Really. **** this crap about God..have fun. it's what we were put here for eh.

OH and Xantar, stop being so god damn perfect. I mean we all understand how you are so godamnned black christingly smart, so just like chill out and say some crap like I do.*

*I love you.